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Israeli F-16 fighter jet crashes under Syrian anti-aircraft fire amid IDF cross-border raid
Topic Started: Feb 10 2018, 09:04 AM (220 Views)
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An Israeli F-16 fighter jet crashed after Syria responded with anti-aircraft fire to an Israeli operation in its territory. Syria says its military base came under Israeli fire, and it hit multiple aircraft in response.

https://www.rt.com/news/418388-israeli-jet-crashes-syria-fire/
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uh oh

this could get ugly really quick
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Netanyahu is having corruption charges rain down on him like Syrian missiles. An IDF parade on the Golan could be just the thing to get the Israeli press back to focusing on what a great guy he is.
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Feb 10 2018, 11:19 AM
Netanyahu is having corruption charges rain down on him like Syrian missiles. An IDF parade on the Golan could be just the thing to get the Israeli press back to focusing on what a great guy he is.
Kinda like Russian collusion stories "raining down" on Donald Trump, ...eh?

:lol:

Furthermore, the Israeli's are the only ones who truly understand the danger of a "land bridge" between Iran and Lebanon, thus allowing the Mullahs to supply their Hezbollah allies in southern Lebanon. Big stuff here...

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F-16 is shot down by a Soviet made 1000 years old S-200....
Though Syrians are bad fighters, however much Russians or Americans train them - they run from the battlefield at the first shot... Except islamic fanatics :)
I've read that Russia made some effort to restore Syrian air defence, it seems with not much success, only one jet is shot and maybe several damaged...
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Iran is the master strategist in the region, whether you like them or not. They have the best network of agents and the most influence over the groups and nations that are making the most progress. Hostilities with Israel excite the Arab world the way Hillary Clinton scandals inflame American right-wingers. Iran's deft maneuvers are alienating Turkey from NATO, solidifying influence over Assad and raising the friction level between Russia and the USA.

There are no outside winners possible in the Middle East, and that includes the American Jewish garrisons in Palestine. With Saudi Arabia falling apart, Iran's goal of being the regional hegemon is growing closer by the day. With the US mired down by Trump's corrupt incompetence, things are looking might rosy in Teheran.
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Feb 10 2018, 12:48 PM
Iran is the master strategist in the region, whether you like them or not. They have the best network of agents and the most influence over the groups and nations that are making the most progress. Hostilities with Israel excite the Arab world the way Hillary Clinton scandals inflame American right-wingers. Iran's deft maneuvers are alienating Turkey from NATO, solidifying influence over Assad and raising the friction level between Russia and the USA.

There are no outside winners possible in the Middle East, and that includes the American Jewish garrisons in Palestine. With Saudi Arabia falling apart, Iran's goal of being the regional hegemon is growing closer by the day. With the US mired down by Trump's corrupt incompetence, things are looking might rosy in Teheran.
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I talked to some Iranian once... He said that only Russia - Persia diplomatic relations are 3-4 times longer than existence of the US... :) what can they teach us? - he said... :)
Whatever Iran is now - it is one of historical countries, they are reestablishing themselves as a regional power and I think nothing can stop hem.

The post-Soviet World order is collapsing, the only problem is that the US establishment is too stupid to conprehend it's an inavitable process...
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You know, it is absolutely amazing just how much of a hypocritical s**t Israel is and just how far up Israel's arse the States has its tongue.

Bibi beating his chest about how the sovereignty of his country was violated... excuse me... your jet was shot down in Syrian air space??? Duh!

And of course, the US parrot squarks "Israel has the right to defend itself" which translates into "We understand our orders not to oppose Israeli aggression, invasions, attacks, against neighbouring states and treating the Palestinians like s**t."

Turkey invades Syria and attacks the Kurds, America's ally, and the States just says "Duh!" Israel launches repeated air attacks against Syria and the States just says, "Duh!"

Jesus it is just so pathetic!

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H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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Feb 11 2018, 04:24 AM
You know, it is absolutely amazing just how much of a hypocritical s**t Israel is and just how far up Israel's arse the States has its tongue.

Bibi beating his chest about how the sovereignty of his country was violated... excuse me... your jet was shot down in Syrian air space??? Duh!

And of course, the US parrot squarks "Israel has the right to defend itself" which translates into "We understand our orders not to oppose Israeli aggression, invasions, attacks, against neighbouring states and treating the Palestinians like s**t."

Turkey invades Syria and attacks the Kurds, America's ally, and the States just says "Duh!" Israel launches repeated air attacks against Syria and the States just says, "Duh!"

Jesus it is just so pathetic!

Cheers
Hughmac
Israel only bombed parts of Israel that God gave them and is currently in the temporary possession of Syria........ :biggrin:
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Robert Stout
Feb 11 2018, 06:25 AM
Hughmac
Feb 11 2018, 04:24 AM
You know, it is absolutely amazing just how much of a hypocritical s**t Israel is and just how far up Israel's arse the States has its tongue.

Bibi beating his chest about how the sovereignty of his country was violated... excuse me... your jet was shot down in Syrian air space??? Duh!

And of course, the US parrot squarks "Israel has the right to defend itself" which translates into "We understand our orders not to oppose Israeli aggression, invasions, attacks, against neighbouring states and treating the Palestinians like s**t."

Turkey invades Syria and attacks the Kurds, America's ally, and the States just says "Duh!" Israel launches repeated air attacks against Syria and the States just says, "Duh!"

Jesus it is just so pathetic!

Cheers
Hughmac
Israel only bombed parts of Israel that God gave them and is currently in the temporary possession of Syria........ :biggrin:
And there you go! God is a fairytale and Israel is based on one - H
H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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Hughmac
Feb 11 2018, 04:24 AM
You know, it is absolutely amazing just how much of a hypocritical s**t Israel is and just how far up Israel's arse the States has its tongue.

Bibi beating his chest about how the sovereignty of his country was violated... excuse me... your jet was shot down in Syrian air space??? Duh!

And of course, the US parrot squarks "Israel has the right to defend itself" which translates into "We understand our orders not to oppose Israeli aggression, invasions, attacks, against neighbouring states and treating the Palestinians like s**t."

Turkey invades Syria and attacks the Kurds, America's ally, and the States just says "Duh!" Israel launches repeated air attacks against Syria and the States just says, "Duh!"

Jesus it is just so pathetic!

Cheers
Hughmac
Now you're in trouble, I've just finished my morning coffee.... :)

I am always fascinated when people assume that all countries have an equal standing on this here earth. It's like the UN, Venezuela has the same rights in the world as, say, Canada. Right. Equal footing. Who are we to judge? Syria? Israel? Ya see, Syria is a dictatorship. Israel is a democracy. There's a difference, ...really. Trust me, I've figured this thing out, .... :) . Countries run by dictators, can do anything they damn well please, like build sophisticated anti-aircraft defenses for the sole purpose of accommodating Iranian aspirations, another dictatorship, in southern Lebanon. That causes all kinds of problems. In the middle of the last century it caused a , ....war. A lot of people died because they, the actual populace being ruled over by said dictators, had NO say in what their leaders did. Scary stuff. Millions and millions of people, died. Remarkable, ...eh? Der Fuhrer could invade Poland without any consultation with his people. Countries like Russia and Germany could get away with sh&t like that in 1939 because they established "one-party" political systems, commonly referred to as dictatorships, where no opposition is tolerated. Stalin and Hitler did what they damn well wanted. Wasn't that simple? No different today. Who the F elected the Assad family dynasty in Syria? When was the vote? Who was the opposition? The current dictator/imbecile in Syria, a dentist-turned-dictator, is way in over his head. His father was a true bastard, a real dictator. Vicious. Contemptible. Little different than Der Fuhrer or Joseph Stalin. All dictators have similar traits. So, in 1967 the "old man" decided to invade Israel. Throw the Jews into the sea, ...kill em all. "Hey! we got all of this cool Russian equipment, tanks and planes and AK-47's, let's use it...!" I remember another fool in Egypt, guy named Nasser, who convinced everyone to join-together and drive the Jews from their indefensible positions in the new State of Israel. Long story, ...short, ....they lost. Got their butts kicked. Been bitchin ever since.

Point? The moral status of Israel and Syria are NOT the same, just like the moral status of 1939 Germany and Poland were NOT the same.

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Siberian
Feb 10 2018, 09:04 AM
An Israeli F-16 fighter jet crashed after Syria responded with anti-aircraft fire to an Israeli operation in its territory. Syria says its military base came under Israeli fire, and it hit multiple aircraft in response.

https://www.rt.com/news/418388-israeli-jet-crashes-syria-fire/
Israel shouldn't be flying over Syria now should they....
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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W A Mozart
Feb 11 2018, 08:51 AM
Hughmac
Feb 11 2018, 04:24 AM
You know, it is absolutely amazing just how much of a hypocritical s**t Israel is and just how far up Israel's arse the States has its tongue.

Bibi beating his chest about how the sovereignty of his country was violated... excuse me... your jet was shot down in Syrian air space??? Duh!

And of course, the US parrot squarks "Israel has the right to defend itself" which translates into "We understand our orders not to oppose Israeli aggression, invasions, attacks, against neighbouring states and treating the Palestinians like s**t."

Turkey invades Syria and attacks the Kurds, America's ally, and the States just says "Duh!" Israel launches repeated air attacks against Syria and the States just says, "Duh!"

Jesus it is just so pathetic!

Cheers
Hughmac
Now you're in trouble, I've just finished my morning coffee.... :)

I am always fascinated when people assume that all countries have an equal standing on this here earth. It's like the UN, Venezuela has the same rights in the world as, say, Canada. Right. Equal footing. Who are we to judge? Syria? Israel? Ya see, Syria is a dictatorship. Israel is a democracy. There's a difference, ...really. Trust me, I've figured this thing out, .... :) . Countries run by dictators, can do anything they damn well please, like build sophisticated anti-aircraft defenses for the sole purpose of accommodating Iranian aspirations, another dictatorship, in southern Lebanon. That causes all kinds of problems. In the middle of the last century it caused a , ....war. A lot of people died because they, the actual populace being ruled over by said dictators, had NO say in what their leaders did. Scary stuff. Millions and millions of people, died. Remarkable, ...eh? Der Fuhrer could invade Poland without any consultation with his people. Countries like Russia and Germany could get away with sh&t like that in 1939 because they established "one-party" political systems, commonly referred to as dictatorships, where no opposition is tolerated. Stalin and Hitler did what they damn well wanted. Wasn't that simple? No different today. Who the F elected the Assad family dynasty in Syria? When was the vote? Who was the opposition? The current dictator/imbecile in Syria, a dentist-turned-dictator, is way in over his head. His father was a true bastard, a real dictator. Vicious. Contemptible. Little different than Der Fuhrer or Joseph Stalin. All dictators have similar traits. So, in 1967 the "old man" decided to invade Israel. Throw the Jews into the sea, ...kill em all. "Hey! we got all of this cool Russian equipment, tanks and planes and AK-47's, let's use it...!" I remember another fool in Egypt, guy named Nasser, who convinced everyone to join-together and drive the Jews from their indefensible positions in the new State of Israel. Long story, ...short, ....they lost. Got their butts kicked. Been bitchin ever since.

Point? The moral status of Israel and Syria are NOT the same, just like the moral status of 1939 Germany and Poland were NOT the same.

Mozart
Israel, my friend, is not a democracy as it does not extend suffrage over the people it holds sway - it is technically an apartheid state. Even the Israeli Arabs are treated like s**t by a crazy, far-right Israeli "government."

Now, as I see it, Israel has two options: 1) absorb the West Bank and extend equal citizenship to everybody, regardless of their ethnic origin or, 2) get the hell out of the O.T.s.

Simple really, but the fact is that they have so many Eastern European Jewish immigrants who are not even kosher-minded or speak the lingo, telling Arabs who have lived for centuries in the area, that only they, the Russian immigrants, have the right to live on the West Bank and then go about stealing Palestinian farmland and resources. Nasty bastard, eh? Oh, forgot, you're American so the sun shines out of Israel's arse, so to speak.

Now, it is also surprising that as an American, you're against dictatorships, as overturning democracies and setting up military dictatorships in their place was your national sport, after all.

You complain about Syria yet Saudi Arabia, which is about as democratic as a dead horse, is A-OK for you guys. The fact that Iran is more democratic than Saudi Arabia and extends more rights to it female citizens, eludes the simply process of black/white American reasoning.

No matter that Saudi parked aeroplanes through the windows of the upper floors of the Twin Towers and no matter that a Saudi Prince was a US bogeyman (Osama), you guys just keep yipping on about how evil Iran is and what swell guys the Saudis are, even though they basically tell you to your face that they hate you. Hell, the Israelis piss themselves laughing over how much they are taking you for a ride and you just keep coming back for more, so perhaps its a genetic defect on your part, no?

No, my good friend of many years, it would be better if you did not continue on that "surprising" tack because, quite frankly, like my own motherland, yours should really keep a low profile whilst moral values are being discussed.

Enjoy your Sunday, Mozzie - mine's winding up here after an excellent lunch in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada in all their snow-covered glory.

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Hughmac
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You complain about Syria yet Saudi Arabia, which is about as democratic as a dead horse, is A-OK for you guys. The fact that Iran is more democratic than Saudi Arabia and extends more rights to it female citizens, eludes the simply process of black/white American reasoning.


Did the lunch include an exquisite Spanish brandy? OMG, I'm so jealous. Sniff. I'll need to skidaddle toward the nearest liquor store in the near future. Cabinet running on empty. Sniff. Just remember, "The liver is evil, it must be punished..!"

The idea that Iran "extends more rights to its female citizens" is absurd. First, that new upcoming Saudi ruler, Crown Prince Salman, is bringing Saudi Arabia back to the real world. OK, it's late, but real changes are coming. Second, Iran is a religious dictatorship with few democratic features outside of one-party rule. If there is to be another world changing military conflict in the 21st century, it will involve Iran and North Korea. The idea of either possessing a nuclear weapon is truly frightening....


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Speaking about one party system, Mozart, what about Japan? What a ststem did the US impose on this still occupied country? :)

and for some reason I think any big conflict in 21 century will involve the US... so it is quite hypocritic for you to call anyone agressive :)

if any changes are coming in Saudia along with democratization it will be further islamic radicalization. :)
No chance for Saudia to become secular democratic country. Not in this age and probably not in next one... :) Jyst as Usual US elite is self-zombying and self-decieving, repeating mantras anout democracy, just like you...
Edited by Siberian, Feb 12 2018, 12:13 AM.
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it's a special American form of political inadequacy, to think you live in ideal virtual world and trying to impose it on other countries... while it doesn't work in your countriy and will not in the ME. Egypt is a perfect example.... I mean what you have and / what you think you have and are trying to impose are different things.. :)

what you have is not a democracy, it does not fit your ideal model at all. it's a totalirarian oligarchy by the Big Banks which rule via both parties - they don't really care which of 2 rules in a specific moment, bankers own both.

This is the real formula of power, thus is how your country is functioning. While having democratic decorative institutions - just like you said about Iran.

And being a victim of own propaganda the US establishent along with zombied population think that imposing a formal side of the US model (electoral process mostly) - without US model of economy, without almighty US banks, without US prosperity and model of bringing the people to utter level of ignorance to be capable to keep them quiet with sole power of zombying and a little bit of suppression - US establishment thinks it will work in the ME.... :lol:

It is the "best idealistic wishes" explanation.

Another absolutely working explanation is that the US does not care of formal democracy, it just tries to bring pro-American forces wherever it can - in some countries via coups like in Ukraine, in some other - via elections if the US thinks that local sentiment makes it available... :)
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For an American politician to be able to be an effective agent of positive change he must be able to balance the essential demands of the establishment with the desires of the people....If the equation fails to please the establishment, the politician may be at worst become the victim of a long gunman with supporting fire from a grassy knoll...Less drastic is the appointment of a special council to intimidate the politician who rocks the boat....The establishment thrives on stability with having the politicians in both parties being their complacent whores....The safest politicians are jive azz suckers, and they can survive even when they are black...They can be President for 8 years as long as they don't do anything of merit......... :biggrin:
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Very interesting ^^^ discussion about Israel and quite a significant change from this board just five years ago when Zionist enthusiasm was unrestrained and any dissent labelled anti-Semitic.

Time changes everything. The IDF jet that was shot down this week was the first such combat loss in over twenty years. Israel hasn't fought a significant military conflict in over 40 years. The draftees that make up the Israeli armed forces haven't experienced war in their lifetimes. The IDF celebrates is glorious past but the present is quite different.

What today's IDF draftees have experienced is endless, isolated terrorist attacks and the demoralizing brutality of repressing Palestinian families in the occupied territories. These things are destructive to military morale. Changes in Israeli society have also made IDF morale lower. There has been bitter backlash about the extreme Orthodox who are draft exempt, the government has been forced to modify those privileges a bit, but the average young Israeli is secular and skeptical, if not resentful, of the extremist minority whose disproportionate political influence within Likud is behind the provocation of the "settlements." Like the USA, Israel is having trouble with its religious right.

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