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The ‘passivity’ of Jews during Nazi reprisals explains Israel’s angry reaction to Poland’s controversial new law, which forbids blaming Poles for their complicity in the Holocaust, an adviser to the country’s president claims.
https://www.rt.com/news/418431-jews-passive-holocaust-poland/
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Goood morning GULAG!!!
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The US and the EU bringing pro-Nazi forces in Eastern Europe, like in Ukraine and Estonia, as well promoting revisionism of WWII results and Soviet role in it - now can enjoy the harvest.
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Goood morning GULAG!!!
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The US and the EU bringing pro-Nazi forces in Eastern Europe, like in Ukraine and Estonia, as well promoting revisionism of WWII results and Soviet role in it - now can enjoy the harvest.  Russia can once again win the hearts and minds of Eastern Europeans by making them satellite countries....You should know that the USA will never fight a war to save Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, or Finland...Indeed, France would not even fight a war to save itself...........
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The US and the EU bringing pro-Nazi forces in Eastern Europe, like in Ukraine and Estonia, as well promoting revisionism of WWII results and Soviet role in it - now can enjoy the harvest. 
Russia can once again win the hearts and minds of Eastern Europeans by making them satellite countries....You should know that the USA will never fight a war to save Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, or Finland...Indeed, France would not even fight a war to save itself........... France lost (killed only - not wounded or missing) 360,000 during the 46 days that the Battle of France lasted. Not many? The US lost during the whole of the Pacific War (killed & missing) 111,606. As for the European theatre the total US killed was 135,576.
Getting the picture?
France lost defending itself by far more than the US lost both in the Pacific and Europe, and that was only in the 46 days and not the whole duration of the US involvement in WW2. But being a Yank nourished on bulls**t, you think that the French didn't fight and just surrendered.
You also conveniently forget that if it were not for French help, you would never have obtained independence; i.e. the French "surrender monkeys" saved your ungrateful butts.
Robbie, Robbie, Robbie...
Cheers Hughmac
Edited by Hughmac, Feb 11 2018, 05:30 AM.
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The US and the EU bringing pro-Nazi forces in Eastern Europe, like in Ukraine and Estonia, as well promoting revisionism of WWII results and Soviet role in it - now can enjoy the harvest. 
Russia can once again win the hearts and minds of Eastern Europeans by making them satellite countries....You should know that the USA will never fight a war to save Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, or Finland...Indeed, France would not even fight a war to save itself...........
France lost (killed only - not wounded or missing) 360,000 during the 46 days that the Battle of France lasted. Not many? The US lost during the whole of the Pacific War (killed & missing) 111,606. As for the European theatre the total US killed was 135,576. Getting the picture?France lost defending itself by far more than the US lost both in the Pacific and Europe, and that was only in the 46 days and not the whole duration of the US involvement in WW2. But being a Yank nourished on bulls**t, you think that the French didn't fight and just surrendered. You also conveniently forget that if it were not for French help, you would never have obtained independence; i.e. the French "surrender monkeys" saved your ungrateful butts. Robbie, Robbie, Robbie... Cheers Hughmac OK, got that wrong: 360,000 was the total allied killed and wounded during the 46 weeks of the Battle of France, the actual number of French killed was 85,310.
Comparing US loses: US Marines: 23,160 killed or missing during whole Pacific campaign. The US Army lost, killed or missing in the Pacific AND South East Asia 41,592. that's a total of just under 63,000.
That's still pretty damned indicative
Cheers Hughmac
PS: The following shaking head is or me for my xxxx up
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The US and the EU bringing pro-Nazi forces in Eastern Europe, like in Ukraine and Estonia, as well promoting revisionism of WWII results and Soviet role in it - now can enjoy the harvest. 
Russia can once again win the hearts and minds of Eastern Europeans by making them satellite countries....You should know that the USA will never fight a war to save Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, or Finland...Indeed, France would not even fight a war to save itself...........
France lost (killed only - not wounded or missing) 360,000 during the 46 days that the Battle of France lasted. Not many? The US lost during the whole of the Pacific War (killed & missing) 111,606. As for the European theatre the total US killed was 135,576. Getting the picture?France lost defending itself by far more than the US lost both in the Pacific and Europe, and that was only in the 46 days and not the whole duration of the US involvement in WW2. But being a Yank nourished on bulls**t, you think that the French didn't fight and just surrendered. You also conveniently forget that if it were not for French help, you would never have obtained independence; i.e. the French "surrender monkeys" saved your ungrateful butts. Robbie, Robbie, Robbie... Cheers Hughmac
OK, got that wrong: 360,000 was the total allied killed and wounded during the 46 weeks of the Battle of France, the actual number of French killed was 85,310. Comparing US loses: US Marines: 23,160 killed or missing during whole Pacific campaign. The US Army lost, killed or missing in the Pacific AND South East Asia 41,592. that's a total of just under 63,000. That's still pretty damned indicative Cheers Hughmac PS: The following shaking head is or me for my xxxx up Perhaps we should count the number of French versus US troops who surrendered to the enemy in WWII...We improved with time...In the Vietnam War only 55 Americans surrendered in South Vietnam...We performed there better than Japanese troops in WWII...Death before dishonor..........
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The US and the EU bringing pro-Nazi forces in Eastern Europe, like in Ukraine and Estonia, as well promoting revisionism of WWII results and Soviet role in it - now can enjoy the harvest. 
Russia can once again win the hearts and minds of Eastern Europeans by making them satellite countries....You should know that the USA will never fight a war to save Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, or Finland...Indeed, France would not even fight a war to save itself...........
France lost (killed only - not wounded or missing) 360,000 during the 46 days that the Battle of France lasted. Not many? The US lost during the whole of the Pacific War (killed & missing) 111,606. As for the European theatre the total US killed was 135,576. Getting the picture?France lost defending itself by far more than the US lost both in the Pacific and Europe, and that was only in the 46 days and not the whole duration of the US involvement in WW2. But being a Yank nourished on bulls**t, you think that the French didn't fight and just surrendered. You also conveniently forget that if it were not for French help, you would never have obtained independence; i.e. the French "surrender monkeys" saved your ungrateful butts. Robbie, Robbie, Robbie... Cheers Hughmac
OK, got that wrong: 360,000 was the total allied killed and wounded during the 46 weeks of the Battle of France, the actual number of French killed was 85,310. Comparing US loses: US Marines: 23,160 killed or missing during whole Pacific campaign. The US Army lost, killed or missing in the Pacific AND South East Asia 41,592. that's a total of just under 63,000. That's still pretty damned indicative Cheers Hughmac PS: The following shaking head is or me for my xxxx up
Perhaps we should count the number of French versus US troops who surrendered to the enemy in WWII...We improved with time...In the Vietnam War only 55 Americans surrendered in South Vietnam...We performed there better than Japanese troops in WWII...Death before dishonor.......... It's amazing really, as far as WW2, it was the Italians that surrendered in droves and never put up a fight but, as so many of Americans have Italian blood, they never mention it
Have a great Sunday, Robbie
Cheers Hughmac
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The US and the EU bringing pro-Nazi forces in Eastern Europe, like in Ukraine and Estonia, as well promoting revisionism of WWII results and Soviet role in it - now can enjoy the harvest. 
Russia can once again win the hearts and minds of Eastern Europeans by making them satellite countries....You should know that the USA will never fight a war to save Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, or Finland...Indeed, France would not even fight a war to save itself...........
France lost (killed only - not wounded or missing) 360,000 during the 46 days that the Battle of France lasted. Not many? The US lost during the whole of the Pacific War (killed & missing) 111,606. As for the European theatre the total US killed was 135,576. Getting the picture?France lost defending itself by far more than the US lost both in the Pacific and Europe, and that was only in the 46 days and not the whole duration of the US involvement in WW2. But being a Yank nourished on bulls**t, you think that the French didn't fight and just surrendered. You also conveniently forget that if it were not for French help, you would never have obtained independence; i.e. the French "surrender monkeys" saved your ungrateful butts. Robbie, Robbie, Robbie... Cheers Hughmac
OK, got that wrong: 360,000 was the total allied killed and wounded during the 46 weeks of the Battle of France, the actual number of French killed was 85,310. Comparing US loses: US Marines: 23,160 killed or missing during whole Pacific campaign. The US Army lost, killed or missing in the Pacific AND South East Asia 41,592. that's a total of just under 63,000. That's still pretty damned indicative Cheers Hughmac PS: The following shaking head is or me for my xxxx up Hughmac, I'm not sure where you got your stats and I'm particularly lost on why you're comparing U.S. losses in the Pacific to French losses in Europe, but here is some casualty data that doesn't quite comport with yours.
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/students-teachers/student-resources/research-starters/research-starters-worldwide-deaths-world-war
France's numbers might be a bit deceiving since it doesn't distinguish between Free France and Vichy France.
I'm not trying to take away from the French, their significant contribution in casualties they made during the war, but I have to wonder if you might be trying to do that for the U.S.
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"CON...SONAR.....CRAZY IVAN!!!" Jonesy.. The Hunt for Red October Well said V4
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The US and the EU bringing pro-Nazi forces in Eastern Europe, like in Ukraine and Estonia, as well promoting revisionism of WWII results and Soviet role in it - now can enjoy the harvest. 
Russia can once again win the hearts and minds of Eastern Europeans by making them satellite countries....You should know that the USA will never fight a war to save Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, or Finland...Indeed, France would not even fight a war to save itself...........
France lost (killed only - not wounded or missing) 360,000 during the 46 days that the Battle of France lasted. Not many? The US lost during the whole of the Pacific War (killed & missing) 111,606. As for the European theatre the total US killed was 135,576. Getting the picture?France lost defending itself by far more than the US lost both in the Pacific and Europe, and that was only in the 46 days and not the whole duration of the US involvement in WW2. But being a Yank nourished on bulls**t, you think that the French didn't fight and just surrendered. You also conveniently forget that if it were not for French help, you would never have obtained independence; i.e. the French "surrender monkeys" saved your ungrateful butts. Robbie, Robbie, Robbie... Cheers Hughmac
OK, got that wrong: 360,000 was the total allied killed and wounded during the 46 weeks of the Battle of France, the actual number of French killed was 85,310. Comparing US loses: US Marines: 23,160 killed or missing during whole Pacific campaign. The US Army lost, killed or missing in the Pacific AND South East Asia 41,592. that's a total of just under 63,000. That's still pretty damned indicative Cheers Hughmac PS: The following shaking head is or me for my xxxx up It should be noted here that without all of those German panzers sneaking their way through the Ardennes during the early phases of that invasion, the casualty rates for both sides would have increased by a factor of 10. Von Manstein's plan caught the French by complete surprise.
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Anti-Jewish sentiment has a long, deep history in Poland as well as in parts of Russia, not to mention most of the West. The reasons are economic as well as religious and both government and the church have been complicit.
The results have been tragic and obscene. Since WWII, the Zionist movement, which claims to speak for all Jews everywhere, has been using the horrors of the Hitler regime to round up military and economic support for the new Crusader State in Palestine. There is a certain wobbly logic to this argument as compensatory reparations for the unspeakable crimes of the Final Solution would more justly be established in eastern Poland.
The convergence of ancient anti-Jewish hostility and its hijacking by Zionist extremists backed by the power of the United States has been an historical error of tragic proportions. Israel's conduct has inflamed anti-Jewish sentiment once again and the garrison state surrounded by 400 million Arabs is an organ transplant that has failed. The United States has been suckered into propping up a Zionist fantasy. The prices has been hundreds of thousands of innocent lives and the loss of American support throughout Islam, not just the Middle East.
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See George.. this is how we know you are not the Original Mr Gator. You make a tremendous flaw in your statement above.
"Since WWII, the Zionist movement, which claims to speak for all Jews everywhere"
Now let us examine the very definition of Zionism:
"is the national movement of the Jewish people that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Canaan, the Holy Land, or the region of Palestine)"
As The state of Israel hes been already established some 70 years ago... The Term ZIONISM and ZIONIST are being used improperly.. Defense of ones country is not Zionist.
The real George chose his words far more carefully....
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That, V4, and the fact that the real GA wouldn't be caught dead on other than the 2 news and Op-Ed boards.
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That, V4, and the fact that the real GA wouldn't be caught dead on other than the 2 news and Op-Ed boards. I learned from the Real debaters on this board years ago.. By losing to them.
I am just surprised that people that have been here 12+ Years have regressed in their ability to discuss a point.
Democrat or republican...makes no difference.. I said back when Obama was being elected that if people continued to sling rhetoric that this board would die...
I am sorry to say that I was correct...
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The US and the EU bringing pro-Nazi forces in Eastern Europe, like in Ukraine and Estonia, as well promoting revisionism of WWII results and Soviet role in it - now can enjoy the harvest. 
Russia can once again win the hearts and minds of Eastern Europeans by making them satellite countries....You should know that the USA will never fight a war to save Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, or Finland...Indeed, France would not even fight a war to save itself...........
France lost (killed only - not wounded or missing) 360,000 during the 46 days that the Battle of France lasted. Not many? The US lost during the whole of the Pacific War (killed & missing) 111,606. As for the European theatre the total US killed was 135,576. Getting the picture?France lost defending itself by far more than the US lost both in the Pacific and Europe, and that was only in the 46 days and not the whole duration of the US involvement in WW2. But being a Yank nourished on bulls**t, you think that the French didn't fight and just surrendered. You also conveniently forget that if it were not for French help, you would never have obtained independence; i.e. the French "surrender monkeys" saved your ungrateful butts. Robbie, Robbie, Robbie... Cheers Hughmac
OK, got that wrong: 360,000 was the total allied killed and wounded during the 46 weeks of the Battle of France, the actual number of French killed was 85,310. Comparing US loses: US Marines: 23,160 killed or missing during whole Pacific campaign. The US Army lost, killed or missing in the Pacific AND South East Asia 41,592. that's a total of just under 63,000. That's still pretty damned indicative Cheers Hughmac PS: The following shaking head is or me for my xxxx up
Hughmac, I'm not sure where you got your stats and I'm particularly lost on why you're comparing U.S. losses in the Pacific to French losses in Europe, but here is some casualty data that doesn't quite comport with yours. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/students-teachers/student-resources/research-starters/research-starters-worldwide-deaths-world-warFrance's numbers might be a bit deceiving since it doesn't distinguish between Free France and Vichy France. I'm not trying to take away from the French, their significant contribution in casualties they made during the war, but I have to wonder if you might be trying to do that for the U.S. Well, you see, it was Robbie, as usual, flinging around his anti-French hot air; you know, lacking the backbone to fight and surrendering, so I pointed out that the French lost more men killed in just 46 days of fighting than the US lost in the Pacific over several years, which is pretty indicative that they certainly did not give up without a hard and bloody fight. Obviously, there were no Free French forces in those 46 days in 1940 - they didn't exist, so the number is purely French loses until they surrendered, after being stabbed in the back by the Italians, whom, you may remember, the French smashed and sent packing even whilst they were fending off the Germans in the north of the country.
Hope that cleared it up ;-)
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France lost (killed only - not wounded or missing) 360,000 during the 46 days that the Battle of France lasted. Not many? The US lost during the whole of the Pacific War (killed & missing) 111,606. As for the European theatre the total US killed was 135,576. Getting the picture?France lost defending itself by far more than the US lost both in the Pacific and Europe, and that was only in the 46 days and not the whole duration of the US involvement in WW2. But being a Yank nourished on bulls**t, you think that the French didn't fight and just surrendered. You also conveniently forget that if it were not for French help, you would never have obtained independence; i.e. the French "surrender monkeys" saved your ungrateful butts. Robbie, Robbie, Robbie... Cheers Hughmac
OK, got that wrong: 360,000 was the total allied killed and wounded during the 46 weeks of the Battle of France, the actual number of French killed was 85,310. Comparing US loses: US Marines: 23,160 killed or missing during whole Pacific campaign. The US Army lost, killed or missing in the Pacific AND South East Asia 41,592. that's a total of just under 63,000. That's still pretty damned indicative Cheers Hughmac PS: The following shaking head is or me for my xxxx up
Hughmac, I'm not sure where you got your stats and I'm particularly lost on why you're comparing U.S. losses in the Pacific to French losses in Europe, but here is some casualty data that doesn't quite comport with yours. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/students-teachers/student-resources/research-starters/research-starters-worldwide-deaths-world-warFrance's numbers might be a bit deceiving since it doesn't distinguish between Free France and Vichy France. I'm not trying to take away from the French, their significant contribution in casualties they made during the war, but I have to wonder if you might be trying to do that for the U.S.
Well, you see, it was Robbie, as usual, flinging around his anti-French hot air; you know, lacking the backbone to fight and surrendering, so I pointed out that the French lost more men killed in just 46 days of fighting than the US lost in the Pacific over several years, which is pretty indicative that they certainly did not give up without a hard and bloody fight. Obviously, there were no Free French forces in those 46 days in 1940 - they didn't exist, so the number is purely French loses until they surrendered, after being stabbed in the back by the Italians, whom, you may remember, the French smashed and sent packing even whilst they were fending off the Germans in the north of the country. Hope that cleared it up ;-) Cheers Hughmac Somewhat, but still very much an apples and oranges comparison. Completely different theatres completely different battles with very little in common. The most striking difference is the timeline you raised. The Pacific War was lengthened due in part to the Allies 'Europe First' policy. Our early Pacific War consisted primarily of Naval battles and submarine assaults on Japan's merchant and military fleets as well as some guerilla warfare. Major land battles didn't begin in earnest until Guadalcanal. From there, Pacific land battles consisted mainly of island hopping and intermittent amphibious assaults. It was not a continuous Blitzkrieg style attack such as the French & Brits dealt with in France. So the point being... that a comparison of 46 days to 4 years is not in my opinion a reasonable side by side comparison.
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See George.. this is how we know you are not the Original Mr Gator. You make a tremendous flaw in your statement above.
"Since WWII, the Zionist movement, which claims to speak for all Jews everywhere"
Now let us examine the very definition of Zionism:
"is the national movement of the Jewish people that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Canaan, the Holy Land, or the region of Palestine)"
As The state of Israel hes been already established some 70 years ago... The Term ZIONISM and ZIONIST are being used improperly.. Defense of ones country is not Zionist.
The real George chose his words far more carefully....
Your quibble about the meaning of Zionism is so absurd that at first I thought you were joking. Zionism as a belief system has been around for centuries. Its meaning is as broad and changeable as "Americanism". You seem to have the silly idea that because Zionism before 1947 looked forward to the establishment of the state of Israel, the term "Zionism" has no meaning subsequently.
Under different circumstances I would try to explain to you what Zionism means today and how today's Zionism is related to the earlier belief. However, your provocative insults about my identity are convincing proof that you are a mere troll and therefore not worth wasting time on. I shall be ignoring your ignorant hostility...
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- Hughmac
- Feb 11 2018, 03:52 PM
Obviously, there were no Free French forces in those 46 days in 1940 - they didn't exist, so the number is purely French loses until they surrendered, after being stabbed in the back by the Italians, whom, you may remember, the French smashed and sent packing even whilst they were fending off the Germans in the north of the country.
Hope that cleared it up ;-)
Cheers Hughmac
Oh one more thing Hughmac. I mentioned Free & Vichy French in reference to the statisics in the link I attached. Not in reference to casualties during the battle for France.
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Feb 11 2018, 05:48 PM
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- George Aligator
- Feb 11 2018, 05:24 PM
- voted4reagan
- Feb 11 2018, 02:25 PM
See George.. this is how we know you are not the Original Mr Gator. You make a tremendous flaw in your statement above.
"Since WWII, the Zionist movement, which claims to speak for all Jews everywhere"
Now let us examine the very definition of Zionism:
"is the national movement of the Jewish people that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Canaan, the Holy Land, or the region of Palestine)"
As The state of Israel hes been already established some 70 years ago... The Term ZIONISM and ZIONIST are being used improperly.. Defense of ones country is not Zionist.
The real George chose his words far more carefully....
Your quibble about the meaning of Zionism is so absurd that at first I thought you were joking. Zionism as a belief system has been around for centuries. Its meaning is as broad and changeable as "Americanism". You seem to have the silly idea that because Zionism before 1947 looked forward to the establishment of the state of Israel, the term "Zionism" has no meaning subsequently. Under different circumstances I would try to explain to you what Zionism means today and how today's Zionism is related to the earlier belief. However, your provocative insults about my identity are convincing proof that you are a mere troll and therefore not worth wasting time on. I shall be ignoring your ignorant hostility... Good Job V4.
You triggered 120 words of babbling insult from the poser. Still I think you can do better.
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