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A thought on armed teachers - how we could make it work
Topic Started: Feb 16 2018, 08:34 AM (729 Views)
dcbl
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My wife is a public school teacher - 21 years in

one of her co-workers is retired military, Air Force Major

my thought - EVERY public school should have one ex military officer for every 100 - 150 kids enrolled

these teachers would be specially licensed to carry a firearm at the school

this would be in addition to the SRO (School Resource Officer) & would provide backup and added protection; the SRO would be the "point man" and be "in charge" in an emergency situation

so - a school with 500 students would have an SRO (real police officer) and FIVE trained and armed teachers for protection and emergency situations - for a total of 6 people trained and armed to secure the school

these ex military teachers (could also be retired police, or similar field) would receive an additional $5,000 - $10,000 per year for their added responsibility (that works out to $250 - $500 a month in pay - seems fair) and would be responsible to attend training and anti terrorism instructions at least once a quarter - all of them get together and run training exorcises and study and practice best hiding places for students; best modes of exit, etc)

I could easily see a state like Alabama or Louisiana piloting and testing a system like this & I also think it would work - IE reduce the number of shootings/incidents; because the knowledge of the added security would serve as a deterrent - would make schools less of a soft target

many schools already have ex military on staff that could already participate

what do y'all think of that?

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Not necessarily against it on spec, the teachers would have to be vetted with a psyche profile, and I'd want access to the medical records upon leaving the service to ensure we're not putting overly aggressive former military with weapons experience in a position where they can gun down kids who piss them off.

I would also like to add a caveat....the weapons stay in a weapons cage locked and the SRO(s) is(are) the only one(s) with the authority to release weapons to these psuedo backup support personnel.
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yes on psych evals

no on central lock down location for firearms

I don't want to see them actually "carry" on their person during class - but I would want the firearms locked away in their rooms so that the building has accessible firearms strategically located throughout the building instead of one place

one of the issues in FL was that the SRO never even saw the shooter - he was on the other side of the building

kid snuck in & pulled fire alarm & started shooting as people filed out

in my scenario - ANY drill that requires everyone to line up and file out of the building; the trained teachers would arm themselves before they line up and march out the building
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Feb 16 2018, 09:32 AM
yes on psych evals

no on central lock down location for firearms

I don't want to see them actually "carry" on their person during class - but I would want the firearms locked away in their rooms so that the building has accessible firearms strategically located throughout the building instead of one place

one of the issues in FL was that the SRO never even saw the shooter - he was on the other side of the building

kid snuck in & pulled fire alarm & started shooting as people filed out

in my scenario - ANY drill that requires everyone to line up and file out of the building; the trained teachers would arm themselves before they line up and march out the building
meet me halfway..weapons in the room locked up, key with teacher, but authority to release comes from SRO...the teachers should have access to communications with said SRO during a crisis anyway, communication is key...I would assume you'd want the support personnel to be situational aware of the whole picture.

My concern would be that the teacher would be overwhelmed and his key taken.
Edited by Tsalagi, Feb 16 2018, 09:40 AM.
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meet me halfway..weapons in the room locked up, key with teacher, but authority to release comes from SRO...the teachers should have access to communications with said SRO during a crisis anyway, communication is key...I would assume you'd want the support personnel to be situational aware of the whole picture.


that's actually pretty much what I am thinking; with one caveat

release comes from SRO - yes, with an "override" for code red situations and any drill that requires lining up and marching outside

firearms get carried out for EVERY drill (basing this on the scenario from FL - fire drill was used as lure for targets)
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So, given the above scenario, all a student would have to do to go on a killing spree would be to cold xxxx a teacher who has a key, then help themselves to all the guns and ammo they need right there on site?

Talk about convenient...
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Feb 16 2018, 10:37 AM
So, given the above scenario, all a student would have to do to go on a killing spree would be to cold xxxx a teacher who has a key, then help themselves to all the guns and ammo they need right there on site?

Talk about convenient...
So what's your solution?
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I would not trust an ex-Air Force person with a gun. Gun proficiency takes more than a class and range time once a year. Most AF people I've met are not gun proficient, much less in a stress situation.

Police officers have trouble in stress situations and they get range time and training all the time. If they were ex-infantry or better yet special forces, I might buy it but just giving people guns is not going to help and very well will make things worse.

The answer is we need to reduce the availability and access to guns in this country.
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Feb 16 2018, 10:40 AM
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Feb 16 2018, 10:37 AM
So, given the above scenario, all a student would have to do to go on a killing spree would be to cold xxxx a teacher who has a key, then help themselves to all the guns and ammo they need right there on site?

Talk about convenient...
So what's your solution?
Anything I proposed, you would reject out of hand because it would involve limiting, to some degree, easy access to guns.
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Feb 16 2018, 11:07 AM
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Feb 16 2018, 10:40 AM
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Feb 16 2018, 10:37 AM
So, given the above scenario, all a student would have to do to go on a killing spree would be to cold xxxx a teacher who has a key, then help themselves to all the guns and ammo they need right there on site?

Talk about convenient...
So what's your solution?
Anything I proposed, you would reject out of hand because it would involve limiting, to some degree, easy access to guns.
So you have no solutions, you are only interested in political gain by exploiting these massacres?

Just what I thought.
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My solution is to neuter the NRA so Republican lawmakers don't piss their pants at the thought of being primaried from the right on this issue. Grow some testicles, righties, and stop licking the NRA's a**.
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Feb 16 2018, 08:34 AM
My wife is a public school teacher - 21 years in

one of her co-workers is retired military, Air Force Major

my thought - EVERY public school should have one ex military officer for every 100 - 150 kids enrolled

these teachers would be specially licensed to carry a firearm at the school

this would be in addition to the SRO (School Resource Officer) & would provide backup and added protection; the SRO would be the "point man" and be "in charge" in an emergency situation

so - a school with 500 students would have an SRO (real police officer) and FIVE trained and armed teachers for protection and emergency situations - for a total of 6 people trained and armed to secure the school

these ex military teachers (could also be retired police, or similar field) would receive an additional $5,000 - $10,000 per year for their added responsibility (that works out to $250 - $500 a month in pay - seems fair) and would be responsible to attend training and anti terrorism instructions at least once a quarter - all of them get together and run training exorcises and study and practice best hiding places for students; best modes of exit, etc)

I could easily see a state like Alabama or Louisiana piloting and testing a system like this & I also think it would work - IE reduce the number of shootings/incidents; because the knowledge of the added security would serve as a deterrent - would make schools less of a soft target

many schools already have ex military on staff that could already participate

what do y'all think of that?

Think that's crazy! cut out the cost , and get rid of the 2nd!!!

Then allow, police and others to do the job. If this person had so many run in 's with the cops. and they knew he had a problem , they could've taken his guns away and the permit , that allows him to buy guns.... But under this constitution , you can't!!!!

Arming schools isn't the answer , it's just adds to the problem...... :) Sammy
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Feb 16 2018, 11:27 AM
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Feb 16 2018, 11:07 AM
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Feb 16 2018, 10:37 AM
So, given the above scenario, all a student would have to do to go on a killing spree would be to cold xxxx a teacher who has a key, then help themselves to all the guns and ammo they need right there on site?

Talk about convenient...
So what's your solution?
Anything I proposed, you would reject out of hand because it would involve limiting, to some degree, easy access to guns.
So you have no solutions, you are only interested in political gain by exploiting these massacres?

Just what I thought.
I have suggestions to offer that will help to minimize this kind of violence. I make no promises of being able to eliminate it entirely, which seems to be the only bar rights advocates will accept to even begin talking about limiting easy access to guns.

You have no solutions to offer either, nor will your suggestions help to minimize gun violence. So you're really in no position to pass judgment.
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Feb 16 2018, 11:27 AM
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Feb 16 2018, 11:07 AM
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Feb 16 2018, 10:37 AM
So, given the above scenario, all a student would have to do to go on a killing spree would be to cold xxxx a teacher who has a key, then help themselves to all the guns and ammo they need right there on site?

Talk about convenient...
So what's your solution?
Anything I proposed, you would reject out of hand because it would involve limiting, to some degree, easy access to guns.
So you have no solutions, you are only interested in political gain by exploiting these massacres?

Just what I thought.
I'll say it for Op. Ban all guns.

Ain't that right Op?
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Feb 16 2018, 11:43 AM
My solution is to neuter the NRA so Republican lawmakers don't piss their pants at the thought of being primaried from the right on this issue. Grow some testicles, righties, and stop licking the NRA's a**.
You and your azz licking fetish again?

And re the NRA...it's the only organization that gets blamed for every gun-related crime that none of their members even committed.

:dunno:
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Feb 16 2018, 01:03 PM
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Feb 16 2018, 11:43 AM
My solution is to neuter the NRA so Republican lawmakers don't piss their pants at the thought of being primaried from the right on this issue. Grow some testicles, righties, and stop licking the NRA's a**.
You and your azz licking fetish again?

And re the NRA...it's the only organization that gets blamed for every gun-related crime that none of their members even committed.

:dunno:
And what is Wilmy's plan to stop all shootings? :dunno:
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Feb 16 2018, 10:37 AM
So, given the above scenario, all a student would have to do to go on a killing spree would be to cold xxxx a teacher who has a key, then help themselves to all the guns and ammo they need right there on site?

Talk about convenient...
So what's your solution?
Anything I proposed, you would reject out of hand because it would involve limiting, to some degree, easy access to guns.
So you have no solutions, you are only interested in political gain by exploiting these massacres?

Just what I thought.
I'll say it for Op. Ban all guns.

Ain't that right Op?
No, actually. I am a believer in the 2nd amendment. I believe we have a Constitutional right to be armed. I do not believe, however, that we have a Constitutional right to as many or whatever kinds of weapons we may choose. And I believe that the important word in the phrase, "well regulated militia", " is "regulated".

So, I'd start off with no right to own a gun if you're under the age of 21. Period. You're too young to drink? Then shut up and sit down, no guns for you. And I'd ban large capacity magazines. You need more than ten rounds in a magazine for "hunting"? Too damn bad, shut up and sit down, you're a crappy hunter. You have a domestic violence charge against you? Your guns are confiscated until you're acquitted or the charges are dropped. If you are found guilty, those guns are never returned to you. You're no longer able to exercise your 2nd amendment right because you can't be trusted not to be violent and we don't want such people to be armed. You want to have more than 5 guns in your household? Fine, but you're going to have to apply as a "collector" and will face additional background checks. And you lose that collector's license if you're found to have violated gun laws in any way.

And so forth, those are just off the top of my head and would need to be fleshed out. But seriously, we need to make it harder for people to stock up on guns and ammunition and go crazy.
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Anything I proposed, you would reject out of hand because it would involve limiting, to some degree, easy access to guns.
So you have no solutions, you are only interested in political gain by exploiting these massacres?

Just what I thought.
I'll say it for Op. Ban all guns.

Ain't that right Op?
No, actually. I am a believer in the 2nd amendment. I believe we have a Constitutional right to be armed. I do not believe, however, that we have a Constitutional right to as many or whatever kinds of weapons we may choose. And I believe that the important word in the phrase, "well regulated militia", " is "regulated".

So, I'd start off with no right to own a gun if you're under the age of 21. Period. You're too young to drink? Then shut up and sit down, no guns for you. And I'd ban large capacity magazines. You need more than ten rounds in a magazine for "hunting"? Too damn bad, shut up and sit down, you're a crappy hunter. You have a domestic violence charge against you? Your guns are confiscated until you're acquitted or the charges are dropped. If you are found guilty, those guns are never returned to you. You're no longer able to exercise your 2nd amendment right because you can't be trusted not to be violent and we don't want such people to be armed. You want to have more than 5 guns in your household? Fine, but you're going to have to apply as a "collector" and will face additional background checks. And you lose that collector's license if you're found to have violated gun laws in any way.

And so forth, those are just off the top of my head and would need to be fleshed out. But seriously, we need to make it harder for people to stock up on guns and ammunition and go crazy.
I disagree.
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