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Ex-FEC chief lawyer: Trump attorney may have made a 'colossal screwup' with Stormy Daniels statement
Topic Started: Feb 16 2018, 11:03 AM (318 Views)
jake58

ringotuna
Feb 18 2018, 12:01 PM
jake58
Feb 18 2018, 11:56 AM
RaiderNation
Feb 17 2018, 06:04 AM
The story is the guy saying it, NOT the opinion.

Let me try this another way for the less mentally nimble. If Trump says Muslims should be rounded up and detained, it's an opinion, but it's still news, and a valid news story.

So is this.
Trump is the President... and has some possible impact on policy, this dude is in the private sector and has none. I'm going for one of my rare disagreements with ringo tho frankly, I don't understand all the hullaballou... except that it gives c2c another reason to tramp around the boards trying to tick off as many people as possible... again.
Thing is Jake. It's not a matter of my opinion or yours or anyone else's. It's a matter of the rules of Journalism. If we're going to make rules which distinguish op/ed from News, then those rules are best established by what defines each, not by someone's opinion of them.
ugghhh, rules of Journalism... are there rules to journalism any more? The mods will have to speak on what the new rule is supposed to fix... my interpretation was that it was to avoid having opinion pieces in the news section as in people posting Breitbart and Salon articles as if they're news... as with all new rules, there's a slippery slope to them all. As I said, Trump's opinion is certainly news, a Congress critter's opinion on existing legislation... yes, news... someone in the private sector's view of a dubious, nearly tabloid story... not so much... but that's my opinion on what the mods said they were trying to change.
That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens
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jake58
Feb 18 2018, 12:18 PM
ringotuna
Feb 18 2018, 12:01 PM
jake58
Feb 18 2018, 11:56 AM
RaiderNation
Feb 17 2018, 06:04 AM
The story is the guy saying it, NOT the opinion.

Let me try this another way for the less mentally nimble. If Trump says Muslims should be rounded up and detained, it's an opinion, but it's still news, and a valid news story.

So is this.
Trump is the President... and has some possible impact on policy, this dude is in the private sector and has none. I'm going for one of my rare disagreements with ringo tho frankly, I don't understand all the hullaballou... except that it gives c2c another reason to tramp around the boards trying to tick off as many people as possible... again.
Thing is Jake. It's not a matter of my opinion or yours or anyone else's. It's a matter of the rules of Journalism. If we're going to make rules which distinguish op/ed from News, then those rules are best established by what defines each, not by someone's opinion of them.
ugghhh, rules of Journalism... are there rules to journalism any more? The mods will have to speak on what the new rule is supposed to fix... my interpretation was that it was to avoid having opinion pieces in the news section as in people posting Breitbart and Salon articles as if they're news... as with all new rules, there's a slippery slope to them all. As I said, Trump's opinion is certainly news, a Congress critter's opinion on existing legislation... yes, news... someone in the private sector's view of a dubious, nearly tabloid story... not so much... but that's my opinion on what the mods said they were trying to change.
Yes, there are rules of Journalism, despite the fact that some sources bend them to the breaking point. My take is that the mods are trying to clarify where certain articles go. By following the rules of journalism, they can effectively remove most of the subjectivity and guess work in their decisions. It may not reduce the number of complaints, but it will give them a solid foundation from which to justify their decisions.

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Which they willfully ignored in this particular case.
Will Munny: "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it..."
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RaiderNation
Feb 18 2018, 12:34 PM
Which they willfully ignored in this particular case.
I hope they don't. It's to their benefit to adopt a more concise and established definition of News, op/ed, AA, MFAB, etc.
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It is. C2C said he 'agonized' over this move, which says to me he should not have moved it. D has been unwilling to admit C2C screwed up, hence my unhappiness. The first thing they should do is communicate. They don't, and don't all understand the rule change.
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By the way, this idea some have of it making a difference WHO the article about is profound ignorance of the first order. Makes no difference whether it's the pres or joe schmo, same rules apply. You are correct, the others are just stupid.
Will Munny: "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it..."
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jake58

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Feb 18 2018, 12:43 PM
By the way, this idea some have of it making a difference WHO the article about is profound ignorance of the first order. Makes no difference whether it's the pres or joe schmo, same rules apply. You are correct, the others are just stupid.
Lol, that's just your opinion... or 'up yours, asshole'
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No, jake, it's fact, moron.
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Feb 18 2018, 12:56 PM
No, jake, it's fact, moron.
Ban time .............. :hooray:
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