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The Big Government Policies Of The Democratic Party Have Been Disastrous For Native Peoples
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Topic Started: Feb 17 2018, 06:51 PM (670 Views)
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepWhereas the Nixon "war on Drugs" has been going on 50 years..and a Trillion dollars and drugs are more plentiful than ever But Sessions thinks we ought to do more of the same and expect different results.
So you admit that Trump appointing Sessions and standing behind his big gubmint policies is a failure?
I admit I suspect you are smoking something. Do you live in Colorado? I was just there, you would love it. PYOB, Pick Your Own Buds stores. perfect for people who like to live in a drug induced haze. Born and Raised in Denver. I live in Oregon So instead of answering my question, you go off on some reefer madness blather. It would probably cause your mouth to burn to suggest that Trump is less than perfect
I didn't answer your question because it was random, off topic and pointless. Ask good questions and I'll consider enlightening you. As for Trump I have repeatedly called him an arrogant a-hole, have since the primaries. My avatar is a warning, Trump is coming for you... You were going off about failing Big gubmint policies and a provided an example of which that is being doubled down on by our present administration and asked you how you felt about it. Then you got triggered and went off on a bizarre rant because you were too chickensh!t to answer it.
And with youir Trump "threat"..you sound like some young boy on the playground
"just you watch, my daddy's gonna come for you"
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You destroy our traditional form of governments to weaken us as sovereign nations, forbid our children from speaking their own language, and stick us on lands not of our choosing. Pray tell how this was supposed to play out?
You have your reservations and billions of dollars in welfare. Do we really need to tell you how to live? Live however you want, just stop crying about the past. Here's a suggestion, live like you forefathers, no phones, no electricity, go back to a hunter/tribal existence. Go for it, recapture your traditional form of government. By the way, when can we cut off the welfare and close the BIA? We don't get billions in welfare, but thanks for the input. It's called the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, look it up. The Reservations are on the worst lands possible to live on. The rest of your statement is lame on spec. As for billions of dollars in welfare, when do you plan on cutting corporate welfare, and consequently individual welfare goes more to whites then the 6 million registered Native Americans.
By the way, when can we expect you to return us home to the Southeast from Oklahoma? On your dime of course. The BIA is our link to the Fed..we will not be prey to the whims of the States that surrounds us.
By the way, when do you plan on paying us to have the wall built along our southwestern border. There are half a dozen tribes you'd have to pay to use their land.
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You destroy our traditional form of governments to weaken us as sovereign nations, forbid our children from speaking their own language, and stick us on lands not of our choosing. Pray tell how this was supposed to play out?
You have your reservations and billions of dollars in welfare. Do we really need to tell you how to live? Live however you want, just stop crying about the past. Here's a suggestion, live like you forefathers, no phones, no electricity, go back to a hunter/tribal existence. Go for it, recapture your traditional form of government. By the way, when can we cut off the welfare and close the BIA?
Isn't the point of a sovereign nation to be sovereign? Begging for "what is due to us in terms of aid, assistance, or cooperation" hardly seems to fit the bill....
With today's Native Americans the point is to remain a perpetual victim and dwell on the past. It's an excuse for failure, it keeps the gubmint money flowing and it keeps tribal people politically relevant. It's a shame a once proud, independent people have become so pathetic. That's a lie...so you don't think the duty of the Federal Government is to honor Treaties it's made with the Native American Tribes?
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You destroy our traditional form of governments to weaken us as sovereign nations, forbid our children from speaking their own language, and stick us on lands not of our choosing. Pray tell how this was supposed to play out?
You have your reservations and billions of dollars in welfare. Do we really need to tell you how to live? Live however you want, just stop crying about the past. Here's a suggestion, live like you forefathers, no phones, no electricity, go back to a hunter/tribal existence. Go for it, recapture your traditional form of government. By the way, when can we cut off the welfare and close the BIA?
Isn't the point of a sovereign nation to be sovereign? Begging for "what is due to us in terms of aid, assistance, or cooperation" hardly seems to fit the bill.... the word you've avoided is deserving, not begging....
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You destroy our traditional form of governments to weaken us as sovereign nations, forbid our children from speaking their own language, and stick us on lands not of our choosing. Pray tell how this was supposed to play out?
You have your reservations and billions of dollars in welfare. Do we really need to tell you how to live? Live however you want, just stop crying about the past. Here's a suggestion, live like you forefathers, no phones, no electricity, go back to a hunter/tribal existence. Go for it, recapture your traditional form of government. By the way, when can we cut off the welfare and close the BIA?
We don't get billions in welfare, but thanks for the input. It's called the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, look it up. The Reservations are on the worst lands possible to live on. The rest of your statement is lame on spec. As for billions of dollars in welfare, when do you plan on cutting corporate welfare, and consequently individual welfare goes more to whites then the 6 million registered Native Americans. By the way, when can we expect you to return us home to the Southeast from Oklahoma? On your dime of course. The BIA is our link to the Fed..we will not be prey to the whims of the States that surrounds us. By the way, when do you plan on paying us to have the wall built along our southwestern border. There are half a dozen tribes you'd have to pay to use their land. You'd think they would build it first and charge a tariff to pass through their lands...assuming they could stay off the drink long enough to show up to work and build it...
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Feb 19 2018, 05:11 PM
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Tik is a one issue dude...
The War on Drugs is an issue that affects a lot of thing in this country And of course there is this
John Ehrlichman, counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under NixonThe Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2016/03/23/nixons-drug-war-an-excuse-to-lock-up-blacks-and-protesters-continues/
And this tripe disproves my point how? The war on dugs contains many issues
1) Put half a million people in prison : $10 Billion a year
2) Spent billions annually for expanded law enforcement
3) Fomented violence and death (in gang turf wars, overdoses from uncontrolled drug potency & shared needles/AIDS)
4) Eroded civil rights (property can be confiscated from you BEFORE you are found guilty; search and wiretap authority has expanded.)
5) Enriched criminal organizations.
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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You destroy our traditional form of governments to weaken us as sovereign nations, forbid our children from speaking their own language, and stick us on lands not of our choosing. Pray tell how this was supposed to play out?
You have your reservations and billions of dollars in welfare. Do we really need to tell you how to live? Live however you want, just stop crying about the past. Here's a suggestion, live like you forefathers, no phones, no electricity, go back to a hunter/tribal existence. Go for it, recapture your traditional form of government. By the way, when can we cut off the welfare and close the BIA?
Isn't the point of a sovereign nation to be sovereign? Begging for "what is due to us in terms of aid, assistance, or cooperation" hardly seems to fit the bill....
the word you've avoided is deserving, not begging.... so lets meet in the middle and use the word "pining"
At some point you got to let go and take control of your own destiny...
You expect it from yourself, your kids....why no your compatriots ...
Why do you expect less of them than yourself?
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Tik is a one issue dude...
The War on Drugs is an issue that affects a lot of thing in this country And of course there is this
John Ehrlichman, counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under NixonThe Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2016/03/23/nixons-drug-war-an-excuse-to-lock-up-blacks-and-protesters-continues/
And this tripe disproves my point how? The war on dugs contains many issues
1) Put half a million people in prison : $10 Billion a year
2) Spent billions annually for expanded law enforcement
3) Fomented violence and death (in gang turf wars, overdoses from uncontrolled drug potency & shared needles/AIDS)
4) Eroded civil rights (property can be confiscated from you BEFORE you are found guilty; search and wiretap authority has expanded.)
5) Enriched criminal organizations. So....I already agreed with you
http://perspectives.com/single/?p=10297498&t=10426046
How does that change the one issue poster assessment....
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Tik is a one issue dude...
The War on Drugs is an issue that affects a lot of thing in this country And of course there is this
John Ehrlichman, counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under NixonThe Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2016/03/23/nixons-drug-war-an-excuse-to-lock-up-blacks-and-protesters-continues/
And this tripe disproves my point how? The war on dugs contains many issues
1) Put half a million people in prison : $10 Billion a year
2) Spent billions annually for expanded law enforcement
3) Fomented violence and death (in gang turf wars, overdoses from uncontrolled drug potency & shared needles/AIDS)
4) Eroded civil rights (property can be confiscated from you BEFORE you are found guilty; search and wiretap authority has expanded.)
5) Enriched criminal organizations.
So....I already agreed with you http://perspectives.com/single/?p=10297498&t=10426046How does that change the one issue poster assessment.... Because the war on drugs isn't just a single issue as I illustrated above. It encompasses many different areas with law enforcement, health, social ills and the erosion of personal liberties .
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You destroy our traditional form of governments to weaken us as sovereign nations, forbid our children from speaking their own language, and stick us on lands not of our choosing. Pray tell how this was supposed to play out?
You have your reservations and billions of dollars in welfare. Do we really need to tell you how to live? Live however you want, just stop crying about the past. Here's a suggestion, live like you forefathers, no phones, no electricity, go back to a hunter/tribal existence. Go for it, recapture your traditional form of government. By the way, when can we cut off the welfare and close the BIA?
We don't get billions in welfare, but thanks for the input. It's called the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, look it up. The Reservations are on the worst lands possible to live on. The rest of your statement is lame on spec. As for billions of dollars in welfare, when do you plan on cutting corporate welfare, and consequently individual welfare goes more to whites then the 6 million registered Native Americans. By the way, when can we expect you to return us home to the Southeast from Oklahoma? On your dime of course. The BIA is our link to the Fed..we will not be prey to the whims of the States that surrounds us. By the way, when do you plan on paying us to have the wall built along our southwestern border. There are half a dozen tribes you'd have to pay to use their land.
You'd think they would build it first and charge a tariff to pass through their lands...assuming they could stay off the drink long enough to show up to work and build it... not helpful...
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You destroy our traditional form of governments to weaken us as sovereign nations, forbid our children from speaking their own language, and stick us on lands not of our choosing. Pray tell how this was supposed to play out?
You have your reservations and billions of dollars in welfare. Do we really need to tell you how to live? Live however you want, just stop crying about the past. Here's a suggestion, live like you forefathers, no phones, no electricity, go back to a hunter/tribal existence. Go for it, recapture your traditional form of government. By the way, when can we cut off the welfare and close the BIA?
We don't get billions in welfare, but thanks for the input. It's called the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, look it up. The Reservations are on the worst lands possible to live on. The rest of your statement is lame on spec. As for billions of dollars in welfare, when do you plan on cutting corporate welfare, and consequently individual welfare goes more to whites then the 6 million registered Native Americans. By the way, when can we expect you to return us home to the Southeast from Oklahoma? On your dime of course. The BIA is our link to the Fed..we will not be prey to the whims of the States that surrounds us. By the way, when do you plan on paying us to have the wall built along our southwestern border. There are half a dozen tribes you'd have to pay to use their land.
You'd think they would build it first and charge a tariff to pass through their lands...assuming they could stay off the drink long enough to show up to work and build it...
not helpful... albeit not untrue...
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You destroy our traditional form of governments to weaken us as sovereign nations, forbid our children from speaking their own language, and stick us on lands not of our choosing. Pray tell how this was supposed to play out?
You have your reservations and billions of dollars in welfare. Do we really need to tell you how to live? Live however you want, just stop crying about the past. Here's a suggestion, live like you forefathers, no phones, no electricity, go back to a hunter/tribal existence. Go for it, recapture your traditional form of government. By the way, when can we cut off the welfare and close the BIA?
We don't get billions in welfare, but thanks for the input. It's called the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, look it up. The Reservations are on the worst lands possible to live on. The rest of your statement is lame on spec. As for billions of dollars in welfare, when do you plan on cutting corporate welfare, and consequently individual welfare goes more to whites then the 6 million registered Native Americans. By the way, when can we expect you to return us home to the Southeast from Oklahoma? On your dime of course. The BIA is our link to the Fed..we will not be prey to the whims of the States that surrounds us. By the way, when do you plan on paying us to have the wall built along our southwestern border. There are half a dozen tribes you'd have to pay to use their land. The BIA budget for 2018 is 2.50 billion dollars. How much does that come to per Native American? Have you ever heard of eminent domain? We aren't returning any land, you never had a deed, besides, you lost, remember? Native American are lucky white men are so generous.
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The problem Republicans have is that they want to push a individual philosophy on a tribal society. As for Big Government policies, what the Tribes want is pure and simple...Obey all Treaty Stipulations, we don't want equal status as "States", we are Sovereign Nations enclosed by the United States. The relationship the United States has with the Tribes is one of one nation-state to another...not Individual States in dealing with the Tribes, we deal as equals with the Federal Government in conjunction with the US Constitution, specifically the Supremacy Clause. We want nothing more then what is due to us in terms of aid, assistance, or cooperation.
My ancestors were murdered and their property stolen because of the state government. Yet I don’t demand aid and assistance. The best thing is to let history be history.
Your ancestors (religious really aren't ancestors) were members of a religious cult chased out of Illinois and Missouri in no small part because many suspected them of fraud. They then in a bid to keep non-Mormons out of Utah perpetrated a massacre of civilian settlers and didn't have the guts to even do it as white Mormons, they masqueraded as the local Tribe and told the federal government they did it. My people are a sovereign nation covered under the US Constitution. My ancestors were chased out by a genocidal order for opposing slavery. And I’m sure my ancestors are smiling down because I’m not crying about not getting enough free handouts. What do you think your ancestors would say? Would they be proud of your weakness and racism?
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The problem Republicans have is that they want to push a individual philosophy on a tribal society. As for Big Government policies, what the Tribes want is pure and simple...Obey all Treaty Stipulations, we don't want equal status as "States", we are Sovereign Nations enclosed by the United States. The relationship the United States has with the Tribes is one of one nation-state to another...not Individual States in dealing with the Tribes, we deal as equals with the Federal Government in conjunction with the US Constitution, specifically the Supremacy Clause. We want nothing more then what is due to us in terms of aid, assistance, or cooperation.
My ancestors were murdered and their property stolen because of the state government. Yet I don’t demand aid and assistance. The best thing is to let history be history.
Your ancestors (religious really aren't ancestors) were members of a religious cult chased out of Illinois and Missouri in no small part because many suspected them of fraud. They then in a bid to keep non-Mormons out of Utah perpetrated a massacre of civilian settlers and didn't have the guts to even do it as white Mormons, they masqueraded as the local Tribe and told the federal government they did it. My people are a sovereign nation covered under the US Constitution.
My ancestors were chased out by a genocidal order for opposing slavery. And I’m sure my ancestors are smiling down because I’m not crying about not getting enough free handouts. What do you think your ancestors would say? Would they be proud of your weakness and racism? Depends on if you capitalized on it or not....
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The problem Republicans have is that they want to push a individual philosophy on a tribal society. As for Big Government policies, what the Tribes want is pure and simple...Obey all Treaty Stipulations, we don't want equal status as "States", we are Sovereign Nations enclosed by the United States. The relationship the United States has with the Tribes is one of one nation-state to another...not Individual States in dealing with the Tribes, we deal as equals with the Federal Government in conjunction with the US Constitution, specifically the Supremacy Clause. We want nothing more then what is due to us in terms of aid, assistance, or cooperation. Once change starts, Trump may contract out the BIA to Disneyland....Are you ready for change ???...Sometimes it is better to keep a low profile.................
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The problem Republicans have is that they want to push a individual philosophy on a tribal society. As for Big Government policies, what the Tribes want is pure and simple...Obey all Treaty Stipulations, we don't want equal status as "States", we are Sovereign Nations enclosed by the United States. The relationship the United States has with the Tribes is one of one nation-state to another...not Individual States in dealing with the Tribes, we deal as equals with the Federal Government in conjunction with the US Constitution, specifically the Supremacy Clause. We want nothing more then what is due to us in terms of aid, assistance, or cooperation.
My ancestors were murdered and their property stolen because of the state government. Yet I don’t demand aid and assistance. The best thing is to let history be history.
Your ancestors (religious really aren't ancestors) were members of a religious cult chased out of Illinois and Missouri in no small part because many suspected them of fraud. They then in a bid to keep non-Mormons out of Utah perpetrated a massacre of civilian settlers and didn't have the guts to even do it as white Mormons, they masqueraded as the local Tribe and told the federal government they did it. My people are a sovereign nation covered under the US Constitution.
My ancestors were chased out by a genocidal order for opposing slavery. And I’m sure my ancestors are smiling down because I’m not crying about not getting enough free handouts. What do you think your ancestors would say? Would they be proud of your weakness and racism? Members of your church on orders from what had been called the Nauvoo militia massacred 120 civilians intending to leave no witnesses and blame it on the southern paiute. They did it dressed up as Indians to do it. Your people didn't even have the guts to do it as members of the Mormon militia. Yet you call me racist for pointing out the mo.rmons racism? Have you no shame?
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As for Dr b. Drudge.pa.and clone. You guys have to at least fake knowledge of the supremacy clause. The concept of a treaty. Before you keep lying about "handouts"
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As for Dr b. Drudge.pa.and clone. You guys have to at least fake knowledge of the supremacy clause. The concept of a treaty. Before you keep lying about "handouts" They won’t let any knowledge, fake or otherwise deter them from their trolling campaign. Whatever can get under someone’s skin they will post, true or not, if they believe it or not. Truth or honest discussion isn’t their goal.
Diversion from the topic, planting stupid memes, claiming outlandish lies and self pity is their tactic.
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Dr. B
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Feb 20 2018, 09:59 AM
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- Tsalagi
- Feb 20 2018, 09:01 AM
- Dr. B
- Feb 20 2018, 12:04 AM
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- Dr. B
- Feb 19 2018, 10:14 AM
- Tsalagi
- Feb 19 2018, 09:19 AM
The problem Republicans have is that they want to push a individual philosophy on a tribal society. As for Big Government policies, what the Tribes want is pure and simple...Obey all Treaty Stipulations, we don't want equal status as "States", we are Sovereign Nations enclosed by the United States. The relationship the United States has with the Tribes is one of one nation-state to another...not Individual States in dealing with the Tribes, we deal as equals with the Federal Government in conjunction with the US Constitution, specifically the Supremacy Clause. We want nothing more then what is due to us in terms of aid, assistance, or cooperation.
My ancestors were murdered and their property stolen because of the state government. Yet I don’t demand aid and assistance. The best thing is to let history be history.
Your ancestors (religious really aren't ancestors) were members of a religious cult chased out of Illinois and Missouri in no small part because many suspected them of fraud. They then in a bid to keep non-Mormons out of Utah perpetrated a massacre of civilian settlers and didn't have the guts to even do it as white Mormons, they masqueraded as the local Tribe and told the federal government they did it. My people are a sovereign nation covered under the US Constitution.
My ancestors were chased out by a genocidal order for opposing slavery. And I’m sure my ancestors are smiling down because I’m not crying about not getting enough free handouts. What do you think your ancestors would say? Would they be proud of your weakness and racism?
Members of your church on orders from what had been called the Nauvoo militia massacred 120 civilians intending to leave no witnesses and blame it on the southern paiute. They did it dressed up as Indians to do it. Your people didn't even have the guts to do it as members of the Mormon militia. Yet you call me racist for pointing out the mo.rmons racism? Have you no shame? My ancestors had nothing to do with those fake allegations, nor are they relevant.
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Feb 20 2018, 10:00 AM
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Your ancestors are not relevant. True.
Your latest hate campaign is relevant.
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