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The Big Government Policies Of The Democratic Party Have Been Disastrous For Native Peoples
Topic Started: Feb 17 2018, 06:51 PM (669 Views)
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Feb 20 2018, 09:03 AM
As for Dr b. Drudge.pa.and clone. You guys have to at least fake knowledge of the supremacy clause. The concept of a treaty. Before you keep lying about "handouts"
2.5 billion dollars a year is a handout, call it whatever you want. Maybe you should focus on the general well being of your people, they aren't a shadow of what they used to be. Thank the federal government and all their "help." The good news is the left will gladly take you in, they love government dependent people. I'll bet you can make this last for centuries. You can commiserate with the decedents of slavery, they're doing well under liberal guidance.
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As for Dr b. Drudge.pa.and clone. You guys have to at least fake knowledge of the supremacy clause. The concept of a treaty. Before you keep lying about "handouts"
They won’t let any knowledge, fake or otherwise deter them from their trolling campaign.
Whatever can get under someone’s skin they will post, true or not, if they believe it or not.
Truth or honest discussion isn’t their goal.

Diversion from the topic, planting stupid memes, claiming outlandish lies and self pity is their tactic.

The OP gave a road map with proposed solutions to the plight of American Indians...Tsal barely touched on it....you punted on it completely choosing rather to troll ...

You're better than this....or at least you were....

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As for Dr b. Drudge.pa.and clone. You guys have to at least fake knowledge of the supremacy clause. The concept of a treaty. Before you keep lying about "handouts"
Whoa...slow down chief. I never mentioned anything against native Americans. In fact I voted against Nevada anti-Indian casinos proposition when it first hit the ballot. I am all for these tribes to be self-sufficient. My beef is with the south of the border type coming here to freeload and in fact receiving better benefits than the average working Americans.
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Feb 20 2018, 10:05 AM
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Feb 20 2018, 09:03 AM
As for Dr b. Drudge.pa.and clone. You guys have to at least fake knowledge of the supremacy clause. The concept of a treaty. Before you keep lying about "handouts"
2.5 billion dollars a year is a handout, call it whatever you want. Maybe you should focus on the general well being of your people, they aren't a shadow of what they used to be. Thank the federal government and all their "help." The good news is the left will gladly take you in, they love government dependent people. I'll bet you can make this last for centuries. You can commiserate with the decedents of slavery, they're doing well under liberal guidance.
Pray tell what was your position when Trump slated 60 billion for the DoD? The 2.5 billion is a budget not a hand out. Again, you need to review the laws regarding tribal sovereignty and the tribes relationship to federal government
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As for Dr b. Drudge.pa.and clone. You guys have to at least fake knowledge of the supremacy clause. The concept of a treaty. Before you keep lying about "handouts"
2.5 billion dollars a year is a handout, call it whatever you want. Maybe you should focus on the general well being of your people, they aren't a shadow of what they used to be. Thank the federal government and all their "help." The good news is the left will gladly take you in, they love government dependent people. I'll bet you can make this last for centuries. You can commiserate with the decedents of slavery, they're doing well under liberal guidance.
Pray tell what was your position when Trump slated 60 billion for the DoD? The 2.5 billion is a budget not a hand out. Again, you need to review the laws regarding tribal sovereignty and the tribes relationship to federal government
Well if you don't appreciate the $2.5 billion dollar handout I guess they could always take it back.

Though that would, however, make them Indian givers.

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Feb 20 2018, 09:03 AM
As for Dr b. Drudge.pa.and clone. You guys have to at least fake knowledge of the supremacy clause. The concept of a treaty. Before you keep lying about "handouts"
2.5 billion dollars a year is a handout, call it whatever you want. Maybe you should focus on the general well being of your people, they aren't a shadow of what they used to be. Thank the federal government and all their "help." The good news is the left will gladly take you in, they love government dependent people. I'll bet you can make this last for centuries. You can commiserate with the decedents of slavery, they're doing well under liberal guidance.
Pray tell what was your position when Trump slated 60 billion for the DoD? The 2.5 billion is a budget not a hand out. Again, you need to review the laws regarding tribal sovereignty and the tribes relationship to federal government
Well if you don't appreciate the $2.5 billion dollar handout I guess they could always take it back.

Though that would, however, make them Indian givers.

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3rd time...it's a b u d g e t. So you agree the 60 billion dollar handout to defense contractors is a waste of taxpayers money
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Feb 20 2018, 09:03 AM
As for Dr b. Drudge.pa.and clone. You guys have to at least fake knowledge of the supremacy clause. The concept of a treaty. Before you keep lying about "handouts"
2.5 billion dollars a year is a handout, call it whatever you want. Maybe you should focus on the general well being of your people, they aren't a shadow of what they used to be. Thank the federal government and all their "help." The good news is the left will gladly take you in, they love government dependent people. I'll bet you can make this last for centuries. You can commiserate with the decedents of slavery, they're doing well under liberal guidance.
Pray tell what was your position when Trump slated 60 billion for the DoD? The 2.5 billion is a budget not a hand out. Again, you need to review the laws regarding tribal sovereignty and the tribes relationship to federal government
Well if you don't appreciate the $2.5 billion dollar handout I guess they could always take it back.

Though that would, however, make them Indian givers.

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3rd time...it's a b u d g e t. So you agree the 60 billion dollar handout to defense contractors is a waste of taxpayers money
Refuse to comment on the BIA's 2.5 billion dollar welfare budget? That's OK, it's indefensible, don't bother.
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Pray tell what was your position when Trump slated 60 billion for the DoD? The 2.5 billion is a budget not a hand out. Again, you need to review the laws regarding tribal sovereignty and the tribes relationship to federal government
Well if you don't appreciate the $2.5 billion dollar handout I guess they could always take it back.

Though that would, however, make them Indian givers.

:popcorn:
3rd time...it's a b u d g e t. So you agree the 60 billion dollar handout to defense contractors is a waste of taxpayers money
Refuse to comment on the BIA's 2.5 billion dollar welfare budget? That's OK, it's indefensible, don't bother.
you have no clue as to how the budget is spent, you think it's checks going to individuals without a shred of proof...but not a comment on the far GREATER and BIGGER 60 BILLIONS spent for the defense industry, why is it the larger issue for you is a government budget 30 times smaller then the DoD's annual budget?
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Well if you don't appreciate the $2.5 billion dollar handout I guess they could always take it back.

Though that would, however, make them Indian givers.

:popcorn:
3rd time...it's a b u d g e t. So you agree the 60 billion dollar handout to defense contractors is a waste of taxpayers money
Refuse to comment on the BIA's 2.5 billion dollar welfare budget? That's OK, it's indefensible, don't bother.
you have no clue as to how the budget is spent, you think it's checks going to individuals without a shred of proof...but not a comment on the far GREATER and BIGGER 60 BILLIONS spent for the defense industry, why is it the larger issue for you is a government budget 30 times smaller then the DoD's annual budget?
Tsal on addressing the OP topic and underlying handouts...

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Well if you don't appreciate the $2.5 billion dollar handout I guess they could always take it back.

Though that would, however, make them Indian givers.

:popcorn:
3rd time...it's a b u d g e t. So you agree the 60 billion dollar handout to defense contractors is a waste of taxpayers money
Refuse to comment on the BIA's 2.5 billion dollar welfare budget? That's OK, it's indefensible, don't bother.
you have no clue as to how the budget is spent, you think it's checks going to individuals without a shred of proof...but not a comment on the far GREATER and BIGGER 60 BILLIONS spent for the defense industry, why is it the larger issue for you is a government budget 30 times smaller then the DoD's annual budget?
The defense budget has nothing to do with the topic. Focus, it's free...
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clone, PA...clearly you refuse to actually do the homework I proscribed for you, there are at least 3 Federal Laws governing the Feds relationship to the Tribes, and every Tribe has a operating Treaty with the Federal Government, said Treaty is covered under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, now, anytime you guys want to do away with that Clause, be my guest and submit such a request to your Congressmen and Senators...

And I am focused...the BIA, a Federal Agency has a budget of 2.5 billion dollars, I am not questioning said operating budget, what I want to know is why you guys are ignoring the elephant in the room for an agency's budget which is 30 times smaller then the DoD, which arguably wastes more money then that 2.5 billion dollar budget, get back to me when you've done your homework.
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Feb 21 2018, 07:08 PM
clone, PA...clearly you refuse to actually do the homework I proscribed for you, there are at least 3 Federal Laws governing the Feds relationship to the Tribes, and every Tribe has a operating Treaty with the Federal Government, said Treaty is covered under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, now, anytime you guys want to do away with that Clause, be my guest and submit such a request to your Congressmen and Senators...

And I am focused...the BIA, a Federal Agency has a budget of 2.5 billion dollars, I am not questioning said operating budget, what I want to know is why you guys are ignoring the elephant in the room for an agency's budget which is 30 times smaller then the DoD, which arguably wastes more money then that 2.5 billion dollar budget, get back to me when you've done your homework.
I could care less about the laws making Native Americans American royalty. Laws can and should be changed to keep up with current conditions. Tell me why today's Native Americans should prosper for the wrongs done to their forefathers? When does it end? Never? It's called the past for a reason.
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clone, PA...clearly you refuse to actually do the homework I proscribed for you, there are at least 3 Federal Laws governing the Feds relationship to the Tribes, and every Tribe has a operating Treaty with the Federal Government, said Treaty is covered under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, now, anytime you guys want to do away with that Clause, be my guest and submit such a request to your Congressmen and Senators...

And I am focused...the BIA, a Federal Agency has a budget of 2.5 billion dollars, I am not questioning said operating budget, what I want to know is why you guys are ignoring the elephant in the room for an agency's budget which is 30 times smaller then the DoD, which arguably wastes more money then that 2.5 billion dollar budget, get back to me when you've done your homework.
I could care less about the laws making Native Americans American royalty. Laws can and should be changed to keep up with current conditions. Tell me why today's Native Americans should prosper for the wrongs done to their forefathers? When does it end? Never? It's called the past for a reason.
deflection.....I could care less about Defense Contractor's profits from a military that no longer needs the amount of weaponry they say we need.

As for why....80% of over 500 sovereign Tribes were killed or died as a result of exposure to the European.....that's why...and since the American government decided to take our lands and give us lands no white man wanted, then we are made your wards in perpetuity, or until you recognize us as sovereign peoples again, because here is the kicker there PA...no one ever ASKED us if we wanted to be Americans.

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clone, PA...clearly you refuse to actually do the homework I proscribed for you, there are at least 3 Federal Laws governing the Feds relationship to the Tribes, and every Tribe has a operating Treaty with the Federal Government, said Treaty is covered under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, now, anytime you guys want to do away with that Clause, be my guest and submit such a request to your Congressmen and Senators...

And I am focused...the BIA, a Federal Agency has a budget of 2.5 billion dollars, I am not questioning said operating budget, what I want to know is why you guys are ignoring the elephant in the room for an agency's budget which is 30 times smaller then the DoD, which arguably wastes more money then that 2.5 billion dollar budget, get back to me when you've done your homework.
Feel free to start a thread on the defense budget...

So ....about those handouts.... :popcorn:
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clone, PA...clearly you refuse to actually do the homework I proscribed for you, there are at least 3 Federal Laws governing the Feds relationship to the Tribes, and every Tribe has a operating Treaty with the Federal Government, said Treaty is covered under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, now, anytime you guys want to do away with that Clause, be my guest and submit such a request to your Congressmen and Senators...

And I am focused...the BIA, a Federal Agency has a budget of 2.5 billion dollars, I am not questioning said operating budget, what I want to know is why you guys are ignoring the elephant in the room for an agency's budget which is 30 times smaller then the DoD, which arguably wastes more money then that 2.5 billion dollar budget, get back to me when you've done your homework.
I could care less about the laws making Native Americans American royalty. Laws can and should be changed to keep up with current conditions. Tell me why today's Native Americans should prosper for the wrongs done to their forefathers? When does it end? Never? It's called the past for a reason.
deflection.....I could care less about Defense Contractor's profits from a military that no longer needs the amount of weaponry they say we need.

As for why....80% of over 500 sovereign Tribes were killed or died as a result of exposure to the European.....that's why...and since the American government decided to take our lands and give us lands no white man wanted, then we are made your wards in perpetuity, or until you recognize us as sovereign peoples again, because here is the kicker there PA...no one ever ASKED us if we wanted to be Americans.

There is always Liberia...

So you are our wards?

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I want the 2 of you to just give 2 seconds to my request rather then your rhetoric....here is President Trump's own budget for the BIA, please tell me where the individual welfare checks is coming from. because that apparently is what PA believes the budget pays for.

https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia.gov/files/assets/public/press_release/pdf/2018.02.12%20President%E2%80%99s%20proposed%20%242.4%20Billion%20FY19%20Indian%20Affairs%20Budget%20includes%20legislation%20to%20establish%20infrastructure%20fund%20to%20improve%20schools.pdf

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I want the 2 of you to just give 2 seconds to my request rather then your rhetoric....here is President Trump's own budget for the BIA, please tell me where the individual welfare checks is coming from. because that apparently is what PA believes the budget pays for.

https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia.gov/files/assets/public/press_release/pdf/2018.02.12%20President%E2%80%99s%20proposed%20%242.4%20Billion%20FY19%20Indian%20Affairs%20Budget%20includes%20legislation%20to%20establish%20infrastructure%20fund%20to%20improve%20schools.pdf

So where are your welfare checks coming from?

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clone, PA...clearly you refuse to actually do the homework I proscribed for you, there are at least 3 Federal Laws governing the Feds relationship to the Tribes, and every Tribe has a operating Treaty with the Federal Government, said Treaty is covered under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, now, anytime you guys want to do away with that Clause, be my guest and submit such a request to your Congressmen and Senators...

And I am focused...the BIA, a Federal Agency has a budget of 2.5 billion dollars, I am not questioning said operating budget, what I want to know is why you guys are ignoring the elephant in the room for an agency's budget which is 30 times smaller then the DoD, which arguably wastes more money then that 2.5 billion dollar budget, get back to me when you've done your homework.
I could care less about the laws making Native Americans American royalty. Laws can and should be changed to keep up with current conditions. Tell me why today's Native Americans should prosper for the wrongs done to their forefathers? When does it end? Never? It's called the past for a reason.
deflection.....I could care less about Defense Contractor's profits from a military that no longer needs the amount of weaponry they say we need.

As for why....80% of over 500 sovereign Tribes were killed or died as a result of exposure to the European.....that's why...and since the American government decided to take our lands and give us lands no white man wanted, then we are made your wards in perpetuity, or until you recognize us as sovereign peoples again, because here is the kicker there PA...no one ever ASKED us if we wanted to be Americans.

Two points and I'm done here.

1. No one is forcing you to be an American, it's very easy to renounce your citizenship. Go for it...

2. Your forefathers lost, losers don't dictate terms. Your people are lucky Europeans are so nice.



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Feb 21 2018, 07:50 PM
I want the 2 of you to just give 2 seconds to my request rather then your rhetoric....here is President Trump's own budget for the BIA, please tell me where the individual welfare checks is coming from. because that apparently is what PA believes the budget pays for.

https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia.gov/files/assets/public/press_release/pdf/2018.02.12%20President%E2%80%99s%20proposed%20%242.4%20Billion%20FY19%20Indian%20Affairs%20Budget%20includes%20legislation%20to%20establish%20infrastructure%20fund%20to%20improve%20schools.pdf

In 2017, total federal spending on tribes and native American communities was $21 billion....That is the equivalent of $4200 per Indian...There is no adjustment for tribal casinos scalping the white eyes...The BIA is only a small part of the federal money that Indians raid.....Get real T............. :tongue:
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Feb 21 2018, 07:50 PM
I want the 2 of you to just give 2 seconds to my request rather then your rhetoric....here is President Trump's own budget for the BIA, please tell me where the individual welfare checks is coming from. because that apparently is what PA believes the budget pays for.

https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia.gov/files/assets/public/press_release/pdf/2018.02.12%20President%E2%80%99s%20proposed%20%242.4%20Billion%20FY19%20Indian%20Affairs%20Budget%20includes%20legislation%20to%20establish%20infrastructure%20fund%20to%20improve%20schools.pdf

In 2017, total federal spending on tribes and native American communities was $21 billion....That is the equivalent of $4200 per Indian...There is no adjustment for tribal casinos scalping the white eyes...The BIA is only a small part of the federal money that Indians raid.....Get real T............. :tongue:
Please provide a federal link detailing such. Pa's statement revolved around the bia's budget.
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