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The Big Government Policies Of The Democratic Party Have Been Disastrous For Native Peoples
Topic Started: Feb 17 2018, 06:51 PM (673 Views)
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Robert Stout
Feb 21 2018, 08:20 PM
Tsalagi
Feb 21 2018, 07:50 PM
I want the 2 of you to just give 2 seconds to my request rather then your rhetoric....here is President Trump's own budget for the BIA, please tell me where the individual welfare checks is coming from. because that apparently is what PA believes the budget pays for.

https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia.gov/files/assets/public/press_release/pdf/2018.02.12%20President%E2%80%99s%20proposed%20%242.4%20Billion%20FY19%20Indian%20Affairs%20Budget%20includes%20legislation%20to%20establish%20infrastructure%20fund%20to%20improve%20schools.pdf

In 2017, total federal spending on tribes and native American communities was $21 billion....That is the equivalent of $4200 per Indian...There is no adjustment for tribal casinos scalping the white eyes...The BIA is only a small part of the federal money that Indians raid.....Get real T............. :tongue:
Does that count Elizabeth Warren?

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clone, PA...clearly you refuse to actually do the homework I proscribed for you, there are at least 3 Federal Laws governing the Feds relationship to the Tribes, and every Tribe has a operating Treaty with the Federal Government, said Treaty is covered under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, now, anytime you guys want to do away with that Clause, be my guest and submit such a request to your Congressmen and Senators...

And I am focused...the BIA, a Federal Agency has a budget of 2.5 billion dollars, I am not questioning said operating budget, what I want to know is why you guys are ignoring the elephant in the room for an agency's budget which is 30 times smaller then the DoD, which arguably wastes more money then that 2.5 billion dollar budget, get back to me when you've done your homework.
I could care less about the laws making Native Americans American royalty. Laws can and should be changed to keep up with current conditions. Tell me why today's Native Americans should prosper for the wrongs done to their forefathers? When does it end? Never? It's called the past for a reason.
deflection.....I could care less about Defense Contractor's profits from a military that no longer needs the amount of weaponry they say we need.

As for why....80% of over 500 sovereign Tribes were killed or died as a result of exposure to the European.....that's why...and since the American government decided to take our lands and give us lands no white man wanted, then we are made your wards in perpetuity, or until you recognize us as sovereign peoples again, because here is the kicker there PA...no one ever ASKED us if we wanted to be Americans.

Two points and I'm done here.

1. No one is forcing you to be an American, it's very easy to renounce your citizenship. Go for it...

2. Your forefathers lost, losers don't dictate terms. Your people are lucky Europeans are so nice.



Easy to say your done when you successfully managed to avoid addressing everything i said. You call a genocide of 80% of an entire continent allowing the rest to live a display of generosity.

So I guess you're ok with welfare for defense contractors got it.

It's ok cause you're done
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clone, PA...clearly you refuse to actually do the homework I proscribed for you, there are at least 3 Federal Laws governing the Feds relationship to the Tribes, and every Tribe has a operating Treaty with the Federal Government, said Treaty is covered under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, now, anytime you guys want to do away with that Clause, be my guest and submit such a request to your Congressmen and Senators...

And I am focused...the BIA, a Federal Agency has a budget of 2.5 billion dollars, I am not questioning said operating budget, what I want to know is why you guys are ignoring the elephant in the room for an agency's budget which is 30 times smaller then the DoD, which arguably wastes more money then that 2.5 billion dollar budget, get back to me when you've done your homework.
I could care less about the laws making Native Americans American royalty. Laws can and should be changed to keep up with current conditions. Tell me why today's Native Americans should prosper for the wrongs done to their forefathers? When does it end? Never? It's called the past for a reason.
deflection.....I could care less about Defense Contractor's profits from a military that no longer needs the amount of weaponry they say we need.

As for why....80% of over 500 sovereign Tribes were killed or died as a result of exposure to the European.....that's why...and since the American government decided to take our lands and give us lands no white man wanted, then we are made your wards in perpetuity, or until you recognize us as sovereign peoples again, because here is the kicker there PA...no one ever ASKED us if we wanted to be Americans.

Two points and I'm done here.

1. No one is forcing you to be an American, it's very easy to renounce your citizenship. Go for it...

2. Your forefathers lost, losers don't dictate terms. Your people are lucky Europeans are so nice.



Easy to say your done when you successfully managed to avoid addressing everything i said. You call a genocide of 80% of an entire continent allowing the rest to live a display of generosity.

So I guess you're ok with welfare for defense contractors got it.

It's ok cause you're done
His saying he was "done" was white people speak for he was out and had to go...you wouldn't understand....

And regarding the alleged genocide he rightly pointed out that your peoples were soundly defeated and by the amazing generosity of the Europeans were allowed to continue to exist... very rare in world history...

And since you are so hung up on defense budgets feel free to start a thread on it...

Ok ...now I'm done....

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My point clone...is that he apparently all up in arms over arguably one of the smallest budgets in the federal government instead of going after the biggest elephant in the room. The only difference is that the BIA's budget helps a percentage our poorest population while the DOD budget props up the profit margin of defense industries so they can not help our own but to kill others
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My point clone...is that he apparently all up in arms over arguably one of the smallest budgets in the federal government instead of going after the biggest elephant in the room. The only difference is that the BIA's budget helps a percentage our poorest population while the DOD budget props up the profit margin of defense industries so they can not help our own but to kill others
If you're not getting the point by now we can't help you.

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Feb 21 2018, 10:22 PM
Robert Stout
Feb 21 2018, 08:20 PM
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Feb 21 2018, 07:50 PM
I want the 2 of you to just give 2 seconds to my request rather then your rhetoric....here is President Trump's own budget for the BIA, please tell me where the individual welfare checks is coming from. because that apparently is what PA believes the budget pays for.

https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia.gov/files/assets/public/press_release/pdf/2018.02.12%20President%E2%80%99s%20proposed%20%242.4%20Billion%20FY19%20Indian%20Affairs%20Budget%20includes%20legislation%20to%20establish%20infrastructure%20fund%20to%20improve%20schools.pdf

In 2017, total federal spending on tribes and native American communities was $21 billion....That is the equivalent of $4200 per Indian...There is no adjustment for tribal casinos scalping the white eyes...The BIA is only a small part of the federal money that Indians raid.....Get real T............. :tongue:
Please provide a federal link detailing such. Pa's statement revolved around the bia's budget.
You are just doing a tribal oaky doke on the white eyes...You know the real figures of federal assistance to Native American tribes and communities...$4200 in 2017 on average for every adult and child ain't chump change......... :tongue:
Edited by Robert Stout, Feb 22 2018, 02:25 PM.
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Feb 21 2018, 08:12 PM
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Feb 21 2018, 07:14 PM
Tsalagi
Feb 21 2018, 07:08 PM
clone, PA...clearly you refuse to actually do the homework I proscribed for you, there are at least 3 Federal Laws governing the Feds relationship to the Tribes, and every Tribe has a operating Treaty with the Federal Government, said Treaty is covered under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, now, anytime you guys want to do away with that Clause, be my guest and submit such a request to your Congressmen and Senators...

And I am focused...the BIA, a Federal Agency has a budget of 2.5 billion dollars, I am not questioning said operating budget, what I want to know is why you guys are ignoring the elephant in the room for an agency's budget which is 30 times smaller then the DoD, which arguably wastes more money then that 2.5 billion dollar budget, get back to me when you've done your homework.
I could care less about the laws making Native Americans American royalty. Laws can and should be changed to keep up with current conditions. Tell me why today's Native Americans should prosper for the wrongs done to their forefathers? When does it end? Never? It's called the past for a reason.
deflection.....I could care less about Defense Contractor's profits from a military that no longer needs the amount of weaponry they say we need.

As for why....80% of over 500 sovereign Tribes were killed or died as a result of exposure to the European.....that's why...and since the American government decided to take our lands and give us lands no white man wanted, then we are made your wards in perpetuity, or until you recognize us as sovereign peoples again, because here is the kicker there PA...no one ever ASKED us if we wanted to be Americans.

Two points and I'm done here.

1. No one is forcing you to be an American, it's very easy to renounce your citizenship. Go for it...

2. Your forefathers lost, losers don't dictate terms. Your people are lucky Europeans are so nice.



Easy to say your done when you successfully managed to avoid addressing everything i said. You call a genocide of 80% of an entire continent allowing the rest to live a display of generosity.

So I guess you're ok with welfare for defense contractors got it.

It's ok cause you're done
Most of the genocide of Native Americans was accomplished with disease and alcohol, which can be blamed on God and the Indians themselves....The US Calvary can't take the credit................ :oyvey
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My point clone...is that he apparently all up in arms over arguably one of the smallest budgets in the federal government instead of going after the biggest elephant in the room. The only difference is that the BIA's budget helps a percentage our poorest population while the DOD budget props up the profit margin of defense industries so they can not help our own but to kill others
If you're not getting the point by now we can't help you.

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I get that you two steadfastly refused to answer my question which tells me all I need to know Nd that is the point that matters
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Feb 21 2018, 10:22 PM
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Tsalagi
Feb 21 2018, 07:50 PM
I want the 2 of you to just give 2 seconds to my request rather then your rhetoric....here is President Trump's own budget for the BIA, please tell me where the individual welfare checks is coming from. because that apparently is what PA believes the budget pays for.

https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia.gov/files/assets/public/press_release/pdf/2018.02.12%20President%E2%80%99s%20proposed%20%242.4%20Billion%20FY19%20Indian%20Affairs%20Budget%20includes%20legislation%20to%20establish%20infrastructure%20fund%20to%20improve%20schools.pdf

In 2017, total federal spending on tribes and native American communities was $21 billion....That is the equivalent of $4200 per Indian...There is no adjustment for tribal casinos scalping the white eyes...The BIA is only a small part of the federal money that Indians raid.....Get real T............. :tongue:
Please provide a federal link detailing such. Pa's statement revolved around the bia's budget.
You are just doing a tribal oaky doke on the white eyes...You know the real figures of federal assistance to Native American tribes and communities...$4200 in 2017 on average for every adult and child ain't chump change......... :tongue:
Please provide a federal link for your statement that were getting such a payment or benefit
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My point clone...is that he apparently all up in arms over arguably one of the smallest budgets in the federal government instead of going after the biggest elephant in the room. The only difference is that the BIA's budget helps a percentage our poorest population while the DOD budget props up the profit margin of defense industries so they can not help our own but to kill others
If you're not getting the point by now we can't help you.

:rollseyes:
I get that you two steadfastly refused to answer my question which tells me all I need to know Nd that is the point that matters
feel free to start a thread on it...
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Robert Stout
Feb 22 2018, 02:22 PM
Tsalagi
Feb 21 2018, 10:22 PM
Robert Stout
Feb 21 2018, 08:20 PM
Tsalagi
Feb 21 2018, 07:50 PM
I want the 2 of you to just give 2 seconds to my request rather then your rhetoric....here is President Trump's own budget for the BIA, please tell me where the individual welfare checks is coming from. because that apparently is what PA believes the budget pays for.

https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia.gov/files/assets/public/press_release/pdf/2018.02.12%20President%E2%80%99s%20proposed%20%242.4%20Billion%20FY19%20Indian%20Affairs%20Budget%20includes%20legislation%20to%20establish%20infrastructure%20fund%20to%20improve%20schools.pdf

In 2017, total federal spending on tribes and native American communities was $21 billion....That is the equivalent of $4200 per Indian...There is no adjustment for tribal casinos scalping the white eyes...The BIA is only a small part of the federal money that Indians raid.....Get real T............. :tongue:
Please provide a federal link detailing such. Pa's statement revolved around the bia's budget.
You are just doing a tribal oaky doke on the white eyes...You know the real figures of federal assistance to Native American tribes and communities...$4200 in 2017 on average for every adult and child ain't chump change......... :tongue:
Please provide a federal link for your statement that were getting such a payment or benefit
"(pdf) FY2017 federal funding for programs serving tribes and Native American communities"

I assumed you knew this, being an expert on Native American affairs................ :oyvey
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Feb 22 2018, 06:40 AM
My point clone...is that he apparently all up in arms over arguably one of the smallest budgets in the federal government instead of going after the biggest elephant in the room. The only difference is that the BIA's budget helps a percentage our poorest population while the DOD budget props up the profit margin of defense industries so they can not help our own but to kill others
If you're not getting the point by now we can't help you.

:rollseyes:
I get that you two steadfastly refused to answer my question which tells me all I need to know Nd that is the point that matters
feel free to start a thread on it...
Don't want to, rather show you guys up as they hypocrites in this issue. That neither of you care bout HUGE budgets that do nothing but prop up defense industries and do nothing but kill people, but oh, a small budget designed to help people and it's "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"
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Tik is a one issue dude...

The War on Drugs is an issue that affects a lot of thing in this country
And of course there is this

John Ehrlichman, counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under Nixon


The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2016/03/23/nixons-drug-war-an-excuse-to-lock-up-blacks-and-protesters-continues/
And this tripe disproves my point how?
The war on dugs contains many issues

1) Put half a million people in prison : $10 Billion a year

2) Spent billions annually for expanded law enforcement

3) Fomented violence and death (in gang turf wars, overdoses from uncontrolled drug potency & shared needles/AIDS)

4) Eroded civil rights (property can be confiscated from you BEFORE you are found guilty; search and wiretap authority has expanded.)

5) Enriched criminal organizations.

6) civil asset forfeiture currently exists in the US primarily because of the war on drugs
Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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Feb 19 2018, 05:11 PM
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Feb 19 2018, 04:59 PM
Mr. Tik
Feb 19 2018, 04:56 PM
clone
Feb 19 2018, 04:42 PM
Tik is a one issue dude...

The War on Drugs is an issue that affects a lot of thing in this country
And of course there is this

John Ehrlichman, counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under Nixon


The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2016/03/23/nixons-drug-war-an-excuse-to-lock-up-blacks-and-protesters-continues/
And this tripe disproves my point how?
The war on dugs contains many issues

1) Put half a million people in prison : $10 Billion a year

2) Spent billions annually for expanded law enforcement

3) Fomented violence and death (in gang turf wars, overdoses from uncontrolled drug potency & shared needles/AIDS)

4) Eroded civil rights (property can be confiscated from you BEFORE you are found guilty; search and wiretap authority has expanded.)

5) Enriched criminal organizations.

6) civil asset forfeiture currently exists in the US primarily because of the war on drugs
Quit your bitchin' it's obvious they haven't confiscated yours.....
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Feb 22 2018, 01:29 PM
Tsalagi
Feb 22 2018, 06:40 AM
My point clone...is that he apparently all up in arms over arguably one of the smallest budgets in the federal government instead of going after the biggest elephant in the room. The only difference is that the BIA's budget helps a percentage our poorest population while the DOD budget props up the profit margin of defense industries so they can not help our own but to kill others
If you're not getting the point by now we can't help you.

:rollseyes:
I get that you two steadfastly refused to answer my question which tells me all I need to know Nd that is the point that matters
feel free to start a thread on it...
Don't want to, rather show you guys up as they hypocrites in this issue. That neither of you care bout HUGE budgets that do nothing but prop up defense industries and do nothing but kill people, but oh, a small budget designed to help people and it's "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"
Your strawman is unrelated to the topic and a silly deflection we refuse to fall for....if it's a topic you wish to discuss...start a thread...you can do it...

I have faith...

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Edited by clone, Feb 23 2018, 02:17 PM.
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The fact the BIA still exists is proof the government can't help the poor. Anyone care to guess how long it will continue to be funded? Maybe 300 years from now future forum members will be having the same conversation with some liberal idiot claiming the BIA is helping Native American become self sufficient.

Government assistance never ends...
Edited by PATruth, Feb 23 2018, 02:21 PM.
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