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College student kicked out of class for telling professor there are only two genders
Topic Started: Mar 12 2018, 10:17 PM (678 Views)
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Mar 13 2018, 09:02 AM
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Mar 13 2018, 08:49 AM
Conservative douche acts like a douche and reaps the consequences of his douchery, and fellow conservatives are outraged.
So how many genders are there? Please name them....
Irrelevant.
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Mar 13 2018, 09:07 AM
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Conservative douche acts like a douche and reaps the consequences of his douchery, and fellow conservatives are outraged.
So you don't approve of conservatives behaving the same as liberals?
So you concede the guy was acting like a douche. I'm glad we still have the occasional moment of agreement.
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Mar 13 2018, 09:48 AM
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Conservative douche acts like a douche and reaps the consequences of his douchery, and fellow conservatives are outraged.
So how many genders are there? Please name them....
Irrelevant.
So you can't name them? Silly liberal, you folks are really losing it... Your obsessive political correctness is draining your common sense.
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I'm still waiting for one of our liberal friends to tell me exactly how many genders there are and name them? Doesn't sound that difficult..

Perhaps while you are waiting for your liberal friends, you would permit an elderly Marxist to help with the basics. There are two genders: male and female. The issue is whether the gender of an individual is determined or chosen by that individual or whether it is mandated by law on the basis of religion, science, tradition etc.

We accept the legal right of an individual to change his/her name, despite existing family tradition, legal documents etc. Gender-based social and legal roles could be subject to the same self-definition. This freedom of the individual to chose his/her gender role in society is considered by those who favor it to be a logical extension of the individual freedoms granted under our Constitution.

Liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- what are their parameters? Liberals tend to the view that these inalienable rights are limited by their trespass on the inalienable rights of other people. Conservatives tend to the view that individual rights are constrained by external forces of government, religion, cultural tradition, even class and economic structures -- whatever it is that conservatives want to conserve.

It's a legitimate difference of opinion and the liberal view has always seemed radical when it reaches the current boundaries of the status quo -- whether those be slavery, voting rights, or social identity. Which side are you on?
Edited by George Aligator, Mar 13 2018, 10:20 AM.
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There are two genders: male and female. See how easy that was, Mr Gator should be a teacher. Whether an individual has the right to change their gender is another argument. Since gender re-assignment doesn't really change one's gender what's the point? Liberty and the pursuit of happiness has certain physical limitations. What's next, white people claiming they are African Americans? If I feel like I'm a black man trapped inside a white body does it make it so?
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Mar 13 2018, 10:25 AM
There are two genders: male and female. See how easy that was, Mr Gator should be a teacher. Whether an individual has the right to change their gender is another argument. Since gender re-assignment doesn't really change one's gender what's the point? Liberty and the pursuit of happiness has certain physical limitations. What's next, white people claiming they are African Americans? If I feel like I'm a black man trapped inside a white body does it make it so?
I do feel successful in getting you to post your understanding of my lesson on gender. Your attempt a mockery and dragging in the example of race does represent the conservative objection, complete in its mood and tone. To put the question on common sense rather than constitutional grounds: is gender socially or physically defined?

The answer: it is both. Your courtship of your beloved is socially defined until you get to second base. The physical gender of your employee is socially defined unless you run a Turkish bath. These and other everyday practicalities sort themselves out without the need for the heavy hand of the federal government (whose members have demonstrated are disappointing ineptitude in matters of gender in their own lives). Liberals work from the inside out in determining individual rights; conservatives work from the outside in.
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Mar 13 2018, 09:49 AM
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Mar 13 2018, 09:48 AM
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Mar 13 2018, 09:02 AM
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Mar 13 2018, 08:49 AM
Conservative douche acts like a douche and reaps the consequences of his douchery, and fellow conservatives are outraged.
So how many genders are there? Please name them....
Irrelevant.
So you can't name them? Silly liberal, you folks are really losing it... Your obsessive political correctness is draining your common sense.
The answer to the question is irrelevant because the answer does not in anyway provide an excuse for this person's douchey behavior.
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Mar 13 2018, 10:25 AM
There are two genders: male and female. See how easy that was, Mr Gator should be a teacher. Whether an individual has the right to change their gender is another argument. Since gender re-assignment doesn't really change one's gender what's the point? Liberty and the pursuit of happiness has certain physical limitations. What's next, white people claiming they are African Americans? If I feel like I'm a black man trapped inside a white body does it make it so?
Actually there are three biological sexes. Female, Male and Intersex. Intersex being rare, but there are those born with both a vagina and penis.
Now where the debate begins, is gender and sex mutually exclusive? Many experts believe they are not. Also the divide on transgender issues it not a left/right thing, rather it's an older generation versus younger generation thing. Seems the student in question belongs to the minority in his age group, not that it matters. He has the right to express his opinion, but it seems he did so in a non-respectful way.
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Mar 13 2018, 10:46 AM
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Mar 13 2018, 08:49 AM
Conservative douche acts like a douche and reaps the consequences of his douchery, and fellow conservatives are outraged.
So how many genders are there? Please name them....
Irrelevant.
So you can't name them? Silly liberal, you folks are really losing it... Your obsessive political correctness is draining your common sense.
The answer to the question is irrelevant because the answer does not in anyway provide an excuse for this person's douchey behavior.
It's not irrelevant but don't worry, Mr. Gator answered the question, it wasn't that difficult. I don't buy in to his you determine your gender argument but that's OK, simple physical limitations prevent a man from becoming a women and a women from becoming a man. Making a cheap copy of a Rolex doesn't make it a Rolex. If excessive political correctness makes you want to believe otherwise have at it. Close your eyes, click your heels and wish you were a different gender.
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For many folks, "gender" refers to the social differences between men and women, while the physical differences are referred to as "sex". The notion of bi-sexual or inter-gender identity is a new term generated as the issue of sex roles, i.e. gender assumes greater social and political significance.

PATruth is arguing that sex determines gender. The degree to which that is true varies from society to society. Conservatives have their view in common with sharia law.
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Mar 12 2018, 10:31 PM
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Mar 12 2018, 10:29 PM
Is it just me....Or is the world just getting crazier?.... :confused:
The right half of the world is fine, the left half is bat sheit crazy...
Yeah, right:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/democrats-hate-america-trump-god-rick-saccone-says
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Mar 13 2018, 10:52 AM
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Mar 13 2018, 10:25 AM
There are two genders: male and female. See how easy that was, Mr Gator should be a teacher. Whether an individual has the right to change their gender is another argument. Since gender re-assignment doesn't really change one's gender what's the point? Liberty and the pursuit of happiness has certain physical limitations. What's next, white people claiming they are African Americans? If I feel like I'm a black man trapped inside a white body does it make it so?
Actually there are three biological sexes. Female, Male and Intersex. Intersex being rare, but there are those born with both a vagina and penis.
Now where the debate begins, is gender and sex mutually exclusive? Many experts believe they are not. Also the divide on transgender issues it not a left/right thing, rather it's an older generation versus younger generation thing. Seems the student in question belongs to the minority in his age group, not that it matters. He has the right to express his opinion, but it seems he did so in a non-respectful way.
Have you ever noticed how those who claim to be "transgender" rarely have their "offensive" sexual appendages removed, or modified, to reflect their new preferred "sexual identity"? They take pills to modify their outward appearance, just not their actual physical anatomy.
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Conservative douche acts like a douche and reaps the consequences of his douchery, and fellow conservatives are outraged.


And if it were a liberal douche acting like a douche and reaping the consequences of his douchery, liberals would be squealing like pigs about his !st amendment rights.

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Mar 13 2018, 11:36 AM
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Mar 13 2018, 10:52 AM
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Mar 13 2018, 10:25 AM
There are two genders: male and female. See how easy that was, Mr Gator should be a teacher. Whether an individual has the right to change their gender is another argument. Since gender re-assignment doesn't really change one's gender what's the point? Liberty and the pursuit of happiness has certain physical limitations. What's next, white people claiming they are African Americans? If I feel like I'm a black man trapped inside a white body does it make it so?
Actually there are three biological sexes. Female, Male and Intersex. Intersex being rare, but there are those born with both a vagina and penis.
Now where the debate begins, is gender and sex mutually exclusive? Many experts believe they are not. Also the divide on transgender issues it not a left/right thing, rather it's an older generation versus younger generation thing. Seems the student in question belongs to the minority in his age group, not that it matters. He has the right to express his opinion, but it seems he did so in a non-respectful way.
Have you ever noticed how those who claim to be "transgender" rarely have their "offensive" sexual appendages removed, or modified, to reflect their new preferred "sexual identity"? They take pills to modify their outward appearance, just not their actual physical anatomy.
Not aware of what percentage of trans females actually get sexual reassignment surgery, but those that under go hormone therapy do go through drastic changes to their bodies. I am a "You Can Play Advocate" and a "Sports Inclusion Consultant" that will tell you that trans female athletes that have one year or more of hormone therapy that compete as a female display no "clear advantages" over other female athletes, especially in team sports. In my opinion a closer eye may need to be kept on say combat sports or weight lifting.

As far as trans males, hardly any of them get sexual reassignment surgery. Many do however get their breasts removed and other cosmetic surgeries. Testosterone injections can actually increase the length of the clitoris as much as 3 inches. Of course testosterone also increases strength, muscle mass and bone density.

Then there are both trans females and males that do not even take any type of hormonal therapy.
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Mar 13 2018, 08:14 AM
C2C, this is an Op-Ed, not news
Actually when the full story comes out if we still care by then it is more "U".

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Mar 13 2018, 09:46 AM
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Sounds like the kid was somewhat of an over zealous pain in the ass.
....unless of course the instructor is trumping up the charges to cover her ass. :dunno:
I would bet as soon as this kid questioned the unlimited genders teachings the teacher became hostile and confrontational.

I'm still waiting for one of our liberal friends to tell me exactly how many genders there are and name them? Doesn't sound that difficult..
This is a suckers story. Draws in the same easily conned people that got and still enjoy being conned by Donald Trump.

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Sounds like the kid was somewhat of an over zealous pain in the ass.
....unless of course the instructor is trumping up the charges to cover her ass. :dunno:
I would bet as soon as this kid questioned the unlimited genders teachings the teacher became hostile and confrontational.

I'm still waiting for one of our liberal friends to tell me exactly how many genders there are and name them? Doesn't sound that difficult..
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Mar 13 2018, 08:14 AM
C2C, this is an Op-Ed, not news
No, it is not an OpEd. It is a news story that appropriately questions both sides of the issue without the opinions of the author of the piece being put into the article.

As C2C says more will eventually come out but that will not change the fact that this article is not an opinion article. Your report of this was checked and closed.

As for the topic itself, due to rules the school did not comment. There is an obvious disconnect somewhere because the professor claims one thing and the student claims another. While it is possible that the student's version of this story is correct I have a feeling that he may have colored things to put him in the best light. I also think that the professor got pissed at this guy and went over the top with her punishment.

The course itself does not appear to be a gender studies course so I am at a loss as to why this material was being covered in the class in question. Mind you, I have a feeling the guy was being a bit of an ass too.

In the end, much will probably depend on there being a recording of the event. If there is not then odds are the school with side with the professor. This could legitimately be a case where the professor was trying to push their agenda but without a recording it will be hard to prove or disprove either side's story. This Professor has shown that she is willing to cause academic harm to her students if they cross her (in the fact that she demanded rather extensive apologies from the student before she will let him back into class) and this will mean that any testimony from students that side with her will have to be considered coerced even if they are 100% true.

She should have just kicked him out of the lecture that day and allowed him back once they moved on to other topic matter but by choosing to indefinitely kick him out of a class he requires for graduation she set up a situation where both sides have to fight to the bitter end.

Edited by Demagogue, Mar 13 2018, 01:53 PM.
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Mar 13 2018, 12:43 PM
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Mar 13 2018, 10:25 AM
There are two genders: male and female. See how easy that was, Mr Gator should be a teacher. Whether an individual has the right to change their gender is another argument. Since gender re-assignment doesn't really change one's gender what's the point? Liberty and the pursuit of happiness has certain physical limitations. What's next, white people claiming they are African Americans? If I feel like I'm a black man trapped inside a white body does it make it so?
Actually there are three biological sexes. Female, Male and Intersex. Intersex being rare, but there are those born with both a vagina and penis.
Now where the debate begins, is gender and sex mutually exclusive? Many experts believe they are not. Also the divide on transgender issues it not a left/right thing, rather it's an older generation versus younger generation thing. Seems the student in question belongs to the minority in his age group, not that it matters. He has the right to express his opinion, but it seems he did so in a non-respectful way.
Have you ever noticed how those who claim to be "transgender" rarely have their "offensive" sexual appendages removed, or modified, to reflect their new preferred "sexual identity"? They take pills to modify their outward appearance, just not their actual physical anatomy.
Not aware of what percentage of trans females actually get sexual reassignment surgery, but those that under go hormone therapy do go through drastic changes to their bodies. I am a "You Can Play Advocate" and a "Sports Inclusion Consultant" that will tell you that trans female athletes that have one year or more of hormone therapy that compete as a female display no "clear advantages" over other female athletes, especially in team sports. In my opinion a closer eye may need to be kept on say combat sports or weight lifting.

As far as trans males, hardly any of them get sexual reassignment surgery. Many do however get their breasts removed and other cosmetic surgeries. Testosterone injections can actually increase the length of the clitoris as much as 3 inches. Of course testosterone also increases strength, muscle mass and bone density.

Then there are both trans females and males that do not even take any type of hormonal therapy.
Like I said, very few actually change their sexual identity except in word only. Sounds more like a cross dresser on steroids.
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Mar 13 2018, 12:43 PM
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Mar 13 2018, 11:36 AM
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Mar 13 2018, 10:52 AM
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Mar 13 2018, 10:25 AM
There are two genders: male and female. See how easy that was, Mr Gator should be a teacher. Whether an individual has the right to change their gender is another argument. Since gender re-assignment doesn't really change one's gender what's the point? Liberty and the pursuit of happiness has certain physical limitations. What's next, white people claiming they are African Americans? If I feel like I'm a black man trapped inside a white body does it make it so?
Actually there are three biological sexes. Female, Male and Intersex. Intersex being rare, but there are those born with both a vagina and penis.
Now where the debate begins, is gender and sex mutually exclusive? Many experts believe they are not. Also the divide on transgender issues it not a left/right thing, rather it's an older generation versus younger generation thing. Seems the student in question belongs to the minority in his age group, not that it matters. He has the right to express his opinion, but it seems he did so in a non-respectful way.
Have you ever noticed how those who claim to be "transgender" rarely have their "offensive" sexual appendages removed, or modified, to reflect their new preferred "sexual identity"? They take pills to modify their outward appearance, just not their actual physical anatomy.
Not aware of what percentage of trans females actually get sexual reassignment surgery, but those that under go hormone therapy do go through drastic changes to their bodies. I am a "You Can Play Advocate" and a "Sports Inclusion Consultant" that will tell you that trans female athletes that have one year or more of hormone therapy that compete as a female display no "clear advantages" over other female athletes, especially in team sports. In my opinion a closer eye may need to be kept on say combat sports or weight lifting.

As far as trans males, hardly any of them get sexual reassignment surgery. Many do however get their breasts removed and other cosmetic surgeries. Testosterone injections can actually increase the length of the clitoris as much as 3 inches. Of course testosterone also increases strength, muscle mass and bone density.

Then there are both trans females and males that do not even take any type of hormonal therapy.
Science says 2 genders but I’m starting to believe there could be 3.

Male, female & liberal mutations.

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