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Trump Crazy Like a Fox?
Topic Started: Mar 18 2018, 12:41 PM (432 Views)
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So once again we have a good bit of turnover in Trump's cabinet. This is starting to become the norm with him and IMHO Tillerson was one of his best, most qualified choices when he started out.

It is certainly easy to attribute the constant churn in his cabinet to Trump's somewhat mercurial nature and I think most of us write off these as just Trump being Trump. It is easy and to some it is gratifying to think of Trump as a buffoon who does these things in a random nature or just because someone said something he did not like.

Maybe he is again showing us that he is sharper (or more cunning anyway) than many folks think he is. I think we all agree that Trump is not going to be impeached and removed by the current congress and if the democrats don't win a majority in the house this year then he won't be impeached by the next congress. So, realistically, the only simple path to his removal is the 25th amendment (something that Trump did not fully understand when he took office according to reports).

Here is the relevant part.

Quote:
 
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


So, effectively, the 25th amendment allows 16 to remove a President. That is 13 cabinet members, Pence, Orrin Hatch, and Paul Ryan have the power to remove Trump from office.

Now ask yourself again why Trump is constantly changing out these cabinet members. Is he keeping the total opposition to him within his cabinet below 13?

So, is Trump the mercurial child-man throwing tantrums like some want to claim he is or is he just looking crazy like a fox does when it is running circles around those hunting it?

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I think the easiest explanation for Trump wanting to surround himself with a bunch of yes men with total and complete loyalty to him is that Trump gets his jollies by being surrounded by yes men and demands unconditional loyalty, as he himself gives none.

There is no point in trying to over think it.
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I think the easiest explanation for Trump wanting to surround himself with a bunch of yes men with total and complete loyalty to him is that Trump gets his jollies by being surrounded by yes men and demands unconditional loyalty, as he himself gives none.

There is no point in trying to over think it.
So....I take it that you believe that Obama didn't surround himself by yes men....Or is that different?.... :rollseyes:
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I think the easiest explanation for Trump wanting to surround himself with a bunch of yes men with total and complete loyalty to him is that Trump gets his jollies by being surrounded by yes men and demands unconditional loyalty, as he himself gives none.

There is no point in trying to over think it.
So....I take it that you believe that Obama didn't surround himself by yes men....Or is that different?.... :rollseyes:
Your post implies you believe Obama did surround himself with yes men. Got anything besides your lower intestine and colon to base that on?

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Mar 18 2018, 12:41 PM
So once again we have a good bit of turnover in Trump's cabinet. This is starting to become the norm with him and IMHO Tillerson was one of his best, most qualified choices when he started out.

It is certainly easy to attribute the constant churn in his cabinet to Trump's somewhat mercurial nature and I think most of us write off these as just Trump being Trump. It is easy and to some it is gratifying to think of Trump as a buffoon who does these things in a random nature or just because someone said something he did not like.

Maybe he is again showing us that he is sharper (or more cunning anyway) than many folks think he is. I think we all agree that Trump is not going to be impeached and removed by the current congress and if the democrats don't win a majority in the house this year then he won't be impeached by the next congress. So, realistically, the only simple path to his removal is the 25th amendment (something that Trump did not fully understand when he took office according to reports).

Here is the relevant part.

Quote:
 
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


So, effectively, the 25th amendment allows 16 to remove a President. That is 13 cabinet members, Pence, Orrin Hatch, and Paul Ryan have the power to remove Trump from office.

Now ask yourself again why Trump is constantly changing out these cabinet members. Is he keeping the total opposition to him within his cabinet below 13?

So, is Trump the mercurial child-man throwing tantrums like some want to claim he is or is he just looking crazy like a fox does when it is running circles around those hunting it?

Interesting take and I'm all about 3d chess but this is stretching it imho.

It's more like Trump has an agenda and each step of the way he puts the people in place for each part of the journey of that agenda....he did the same during his campaign...

Trump is there to make change and when someone reverts to status quo mode he jettisons them....

Remember....the guy had a show when during a one hour episode he fired everybody but one....

:cheers:

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I think the easiest explanation for Trump wanting to surround himself with a bunch of yes men with total and complete loyalty to him is that Trump gets his jollies by being surrounded by yes men and demands unconditional loyalty, as he himself gives none.

There is no point in trying to over think it.
So....I take it that you believe that Obama didn't surround himself by yes men....Or is that different?.... :rollseyes:
Your post implies you believe Obama did surround himself with yes men. Got anything besides your lower intestine and colon to base that on?

Forget your rectum stuff.... :tongue:

Face facts....All presidents surround themselves with mostly yes men....It's the way they get their agenda through.... :oyvey
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Mar 18 2018, 12:41 PM
So once again we have a good bit of turnover in Trump's cabinet. This is starting to become the norm with him and IMHO Tillerson was one of his best, most qualified choices when he started out.

It is certainly easy to attribute the constant churn in his cabinet to Trump's somewhat mercurial nature and I think most of us write off these as just Trump being Trump. It is easy and to some it is gratifying to think of Trump as a buffoon who does these things in a random nature or just because someone said something he did not like.

Maybe he is again showing us that he is sharper (or more cunning anyway) than many folks think he is. I think we all agree that Trump is not going to be impeached and removed by the current congress and if the democrats don't win a majority in the house this year then he won't be impeached by the next congress. So, realistically, the only simple path to his removal is the 25th amendment (something that Trump did not fully understand when he took office according to reports).

Here is the relevant part.

Quote:
 
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


So, effectively, the 25th amendment allows 16 to remove a President. That is 13 cabinet members, Pence, Orrin Hatch, and Paul Ryan have the power to remove Trump from office.

Now ask yourself again why Trump is constantly changing out these cabinet members. Is he keeping the total opposition to him within his cabinet below 13?

So, is Trump the mercurial child-man throwing tantrums like some want to claim he is or is he just looking crazy like a fox does when it is running circles around those hunting it?

A good point, a moving target is harder to hit.

I think he has too many loose parts in the air though and the juggling won’t last forever.


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Mar 18 2018, 12:41 PM
So once again we have a good bit of turnover in Trump's cabinet. This is starting to become the norm with him and IMHO Tillerson was one of his best, most qualified choices when he started out.

It is certainly easy to attribute the constant churn in his cabinet to Trump's somewhat mercurial nature and I think most of us write off these as just Trump being Trump. It is easy and to some it is gratifying to think of Trump as a buffoon who does these things in a random nature or just because someone said something he did not like.

Maybe he is again showing us that he is sharper (or more cunning anyway) than many folks think he is. I think we all agree that Trump is not going to be impeached and removed by the current congress and if the democrats don't win a majority in the house this year then he won't be impeached by the next congress. So, realistically, the only simple path to his removal is the 25th amendment (something that Trump did not fully understand when he took office according to reports).

Here is the relevant part.

Quote:
 
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


So, effectively, the 25th amendment allows 16 to remove a President. That is 13 cabinet members, Pence, Orrin Hatch, and Paul Ryan have the power to remove Trump from office.

Now ask yourself again why Trump is constantly changing out these cabinet members. Is he keeping the total opposition to him within his cabinet below 13?

So, is Trump the mercurial child-man throwing tantrums like some want to claim he is or is he just looking crazy like a fox does when it is running circles around those hunting it?

D, he is a moron. End of story.




Edited by Coast2coast, Mar 18 2018, 07:00 PM.
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I think the easiest explanation for Trump wanting to surround himself with a bunch of yes men with total and complete loyalty to him is that Trump gets his jollies by being surrounded by yes men and demands unconditional loyalty, as he himself gives none.

There is no point in trying to over think it.
So....I take it that you believe that Obama didn't surround himself by yes men....Or is that different?.... :rollseyes:
Your post implies you believe Obama did surround himself with yes men. Got anything besides your lower intestine and colon to base that on?

Forget your rectum stuff.... :tongue:

Face facts....All presidents surround themselves with mostly yes men....It's the way they get their agenda through.... :oyvey
Name some of Obama's 'yes' men.

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I think the easiest explanation for Trump wanting to surround himself with a bunch of yes men with total and complete loyalty to him is that Trump gets his jollies by being surrounded by yes men and demands unconditional loyalty, as he himself gives none.

There is no point in trying to over think it.
So....I take it that you believe that Obama didn't surround himself by yes men....Or is that different?.... :rollseyes:
Your post implies you believe Obama did surround himself with yes men. Got anything besides your lower intestine and colon to base that on?

Forget your rectum stuff.... :tongue:

Face facts....All presidents surround themselves with mostly yes men....It's the way they get their agenda through.... :oyvey
Name some of Obama's 'yes' men.

:rotflmao: ....After his first term....The entire administration.... :oyvey
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So once again we have a good bit of turnover in Trump's cabinet. This is starting to become the norm with him and IMHO Tillerson was one of his best, most qualified choices when he started out.

It is certainly easy to attribute the constant churn in his cabinet to Trump's somewhat mercurial nature and I think most of us write off these as just Trump being Trump. It is easy and to some it is gratifying to think of Trump as a buffoon who does these things in a random nature or just because someone said something he did not like.

Maybe he is again showing us that he is sharper (or more cunning anyway) than many folks think he is. I think we all agree that Trump is not going to be impeached and removed by the current congress and if the democrats don't win a majority in the house this year then he won't be impeached by the next congress. So, realistically, the only simple path to his removal is the 25th amendment (something that Trump did not fully understand when he took office according to reports).

Here is the relevant part.

Quote:
 
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


So, effectively, the 25th amendment allows 16 to remove a President. That is 13 cabinet members, Pence, Orrin Hatch, and Paul Ryan have the power to remove Trump from office.

Now ask yourself again why Trump is constantly changing out these cabinet members. Is he keeping the total opposition to him within his cabinet below 13?

So, is Trump the mercurial child-man throwing tantrums like some want to claim he is or is he just looking crazy like a fox does when it is running circles around those hunting it?

D, he is a moron. End of story.




That moron beat the pantsuit off of your candidate and will likely put her behind bars before he completes his first term as your President.
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Mar 18 2018, 12:41 PM
So once again we have a good bit of turnover in Trump's cabinet. This is starting to become the norm with him and IMHO Tillerson was one of his best, most qualified choices when he started out.

It is certainly easy to attribute the constant churn in his cabinet to Trump's somewhat mercurial nature and I think most of us write off these as just Trump being Trump. It is easy and to some it is gratifying to think of Trump as a buffoon who does these things in a random nature or just because someone said something he did not like.

Maybe he is again showing us that he is sharper (or more cunning anyway) than many folks think he is. I think we all agree that Trump is not going to be impeached and removed by the current congress and if the democrats don't win a majority in the house this year then he won't be impeached by the next congress. So, realistically, the only simple path to his removal is the 25th amendment (something that Trump did not fully understand when he took office according to reports).

Here is the relevant part.

Quote:
 
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


So, effectively, the 25th amendment allows 16 to remove a President. That is 13 cabinet members, Pence, Orrin Hatch, and Paul Ryan have the power to remove Trump from office.

Now ask yourself again why Trump is constantly changing out these cabinet members. Is he keeping the total opposition to him within his cabinet below 13?

So, is Trump the mercurial child-man throwing tantrums like some want to claim he is or is he just looking crazy like a fox does when it is running circles around those hunting it?

Interesting take and I'm all about 3d chess but this is stretching it imho.

It's more like Trump has an agenda and each step of the way he puts the people in place for each part of the journey of that agenda....he did the same during his campaign...

Trump is there to make change and when someone reverts to status quo mode he jettisons them....

Remember....the guy had a show when during a one hour episode he fired everybody but one....

:cheers:

I think you both are right.. keep cabinet below 13 and switch out the 1st phase of members for members who get and understand his 2nd phase agenda..



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I think the easiest explanation for Trump wanting to surround himself with a bunch of yes men with total and complete loyalty to him is that Trump gets his jollies by being surrounded by yes men and demands unconditional loyalty, as he himself gives none.

There is no point in trying to over think it.
So....I take it that you believe that Obama didn't surround himself by yes men....Or is that different?.... :rollseyes:
Your post implies you believe Obama did surround himself with yes men. Got anything besides your lower intestine and colon to base that on?

Forget your rectum stuff.... :tongue:

Face facts....All presidents surround themselves with mostly yes men....It's the way they get their agenda through.... :oyvey
Name some of Obama's 'yes' men.

His wife for one. Hillary Clinton :drinking: , I could go on about Obama who relied on a tiny circle of White House aides who protect him, rather than challenging him. Valerie Jarrett, a friend from Chicago dubbed the “Obama whisperer” and “chief architect of his very prominent and occasionally suffocating bubble.”
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I think the easiest explanation for Trump wanting to surround himself with a bunch of yes men with total and complete loyalty to him is that Trump gets his jollies by being surrounded by yes men and demands unconditional loyalty, as he himself gives none.

There is no point in trying to over think it.
So....I take it that you believe that Obama didn't surround himself by yes men....Or is that different?.... :rollseyes:
I think that Obama picked a cabinet that reflected a great deal of real experience and some times opposing views. He listened to what they all had to offer in the way of input and in the end made the best possible decision as he saw it.

I think Trump throws random ideas at the wall in the hopes that something will stick, much like a monkey in the zoo throwing poo at the audience. He pretty much doesn't care what anyone else thinks, and does not think much himself.
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So once again we have a good bit of turnover in Trump's cabinet. This is starting to become the norm with him and IMHO Tillerson was one of his best, most qualified choices when he started out.

It is certainly easy to attribute the constant churn in his cabinet to Trump's somewhat mercurial nature and I think most of us write off these as just Trump being Trump. It is easy and to some it is gratifying to think of Trump as a buffoon who does these things in a random nature or just because someone said something he did not like.

Maybe he is again showing us that he is sharper (or more cunning anyway) than many folks think he is. I think we all agree that Trump is not going to be impeached and removed by the current congress and if the democrats don't win a majority in the house this year then he won't be impeached by the next congress. So, realistically, the only simple path to his removal is the 25th amendment (something that Trump did not fully understand when he took office according to reports).

Here is the relevant part.

Quote:
 
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


So, effectively, the 25th amendment allows 16 to remove a President. That is 13 cabinet members, Pence, Orrin Hatch, and Paul Ryan have the power to remove Trump from office.

Now ask yourself again why Trump is constantly changing out these cabinet members. Is he keeping the total opposition to him within his cabinet below 13?

So, is Trump the mercurial child-man throwing tantrums like some want to claim he is or is he just looking crazy like a fox does when it is running circles around those hunting it?

D, he is a moron. End of story.




I know that is how you feel and I'm certain it makes you and others feel better about things to think of him that way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Trump is a genius. He has painfully obvious gaps in his knowledge of how our government works. With that said, you don't have the success he has had without having something. Call it cunning, call it guile, use whatever term you have but he is still in office. If he were the complete dolt you think he is he would be out by now.
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I don't think Tromp is crazy like a Fox.

He appears to me to be just plain old crazy.
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So once again we have a good bit of turnover in Trump's cabinet. This is starting to become the norm with him and IMHO Tillerson was one of his best, most qualified choices when he started out.

It is certainly easy to attribute the constant churn in his cabinet to Trump's somewhat mercurial nature and I think most of us write off these as just Trump being Trump. It is easy and to some it is gratifying to think of Trump as a buffoon who does these things in a random nature or just because someone said something he did not like.

Maybe he is again showing us that he is sharper (or more cunning anyway) than many folks think he is. I think we all agree that Trump is not going to be impeached and removed by the current congress and if the democrats don't win a majority in the house this year then he won't be impeached by the next congress. So, realistically, the only simple path to his removal is the 25th amendment (something that Trump did not fully understand when he took office according to reports).

Here is the relevant part.

Quote:
 
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


So, effectively, the 25th amendment allows 16 to remove a President. That is 13 cabinet members, Pence, Orrin Hatch, and Paul Ryan have the power to remove Trump from office.

Now ask yourself again why Trump is constantly changing out these cabinet members. Is he keeping the total opposition to him within his cabinet below 13?

So, is Trump the mercurial child-man throwing tantrums like some want to claim he is or is he just looking crazy like a fox does when it is running circles around those hunting it?

D, he is a moron. End of story.




I know that is how you feel and I'm certain it makes you and others feel better about things to think of him that way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Trump is a genius. He has painfully obvious gaps in his knowledge of how our government works. With that said, you don't have the success he has had without having something. Call it cunning, call it guile, use whatever term you have but he is still in office. If he were the complete dolt you think he is he would be out by now.
He manifested the largest political upset against 16 top tier candidates including one well financed heir apparent from a political dynasty. Crushed another political dynasty all while fending off the most massive negative media assault in the history of man. The largest assault and character assassination ever mounted against a single human being by the Democrats, Academia, Wall St, Hollywood, Chamber of Commerce, Foreign Leaders, Illegals, the deceased et al....all as a political novice....Show me another candidate in history other than maybe Reagan where the entire leadership of the party was so overtly against while blatantly defying the will of their base.

Yeah if that's one's definition of a moron well then no one should ever question my Liberalism is a Mental Disorder diagnosis....

And Demo I take issue with your "painfully obvious gaps in his knowledge of how our government works" comment.

That's a status quo comment.....

The main reason Trump got elected was because most people on both sides were completely fed up with "how our gov't works"

It's also a primary reason for the rise of Bernie during the campaign and the establishment candidates struggled.

We know how our gov't runs and we don't like it..... that you apparently do reinforces my belief you have been in corporate and via extension gov't for too long....

Can't see the forest through the years of fog....

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So once again we have a good bit of turnover in Trump's cabinet. This is starting to become the norm with him and IMHO Tillerson was one of his best, most qualified choices when he started out.

It is certainly easy to attribute the constant churn in his cabinet to Trump's somewhat mercurial nature and I think most of us write off these as just Trump being Trump. It is easy and to some it is gratifying to think of Trump as a buffoon who does these things in a random nature or just because someone said something he did not like.

Maybe he is again showing us that he is sharper (or more cunning anyway) than many folks think he is. I think we all agree that Trump is not going to be impeached and removed by the current congress and if the democrats don't win a majority in the house this year then he won't be impeached by the next congress. So, realistically, the only simple path to his removal is the 25th amendment (something that Trump did not fully understand when he took office according to reports).

Here is the relevant part.

Quote:
 
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


So, effectively, the 25th amendment allows 16 to remove a President. That is 13 cabinet members, Pence, Orrin Hatch, and Paul Ryan have the power to remove Trump from office.

Now ask yourself again why Trump is constantly changing out these cabinet members. Is he keeping the total opposition to him within his cabinet below 13?

So, is Trump the mercurial child-man throwing tantrums like some want to claim he is or is he just looking crazy like a fox does when it is running circles around those hunting it?

D, he is a moron. End of story.




I know that is how you feel and I'm certain it makes you and others feel better about things to think of him that way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Trump is a genius. He has painfully obvious gaps in his knowledge of how our government works. With that said, you don't have the success he has had without having something. Call it cunning, call it guile, use whatever term you have but he is still in office. If he were the complete dolt you think he is he would be out by now.
He manifested the largest political upset against 16 top tier candidates including one well financed heir apparent from a political dynasty. Crushed another political dynasty all while fending off the most massive negative media assault in the history of man. The largest assault and character assassination ever mounted against a single human being by the Democrats, Academia, Wall St, Hollywood, Chamber of Commerce, Foreign Leaders, Illegals, the deceased et al....all as a political novice....Show me another candidate in history other than maybe Reagan where the entire leadership of the party was so overtly against while blatantly defying the will of their base.

Yeah if that's one's definition of a moron well then no one should ever question my Liberalism is a Mental Disorder diagnosis....

And Demo I take issue with your "painfully obvious gaps in his knowledge of how our government works" comment.

That's a status quo comment.....

Clone, if you do not see that he quite literally had gaps in his knowledge about our government then you are drinking the kool aid.

Hell, on the subject of this topic, prior to being informed of it by Bannon shortly after taking office, Trump thought impeachment or death was the only way he could be removed form office. He had no clue that the 25th amendment allowed his cabinet to remove him.

Additionally there is the famous gaff about the nuclear triad along with many, many other little things that he did not understand going in.

Mind you, I am know saying that he can't learn these things, I am just saying that if you run for POTUS, certain things (25th Amendment for example) should be at the very top of you list of things to know. Trump is not a government guy, he is not a policy wonk. I get it and I am ok with it but to deny that there are gaps in his knowledge of government is just plain foolish on your part.
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Mar 19 2018, 12:27 PM
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Mar 19 2018, 12:06 PM
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Mar 19 2018, 10:53 AM
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Mar 18 2018, 07:00 PM
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Mar 18 2018, 12:41 PM
So once again we have a good bit of turnover in Trump's cabinet. This is starting to become the norm with him and IMHO Tillerson was one of his best, most qualified choices when he started out.

It is certainly easy to attribute the constant churn in his cabinet to Trump's somewhat mercurial nature and I think most of us write off these as just Trump being Trump. It is easy and to some it is gratifying to think of Trump as a buffoon who does these things in a random nature or just because someone said something he did not like.

Maybe he is again showing us that he is sharper (or more cunning anyway) than many folks think he is. I think we all agree that Trump is not going to be impeached and removed by the current congress and if the democrats don't win a majority in the house this year then he won't be impeached by the next congress. So, realistically, the only simple path to his removal is the 25th amendment (something that Trump did not fully understand when he took office according to reports).

Here is the relevant part.


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D, he is a moron. End of story.




I know that is how you feel and I'm certain it makes you and others feel better about things to think of him that way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Trump is a genius. He has painfully obvious gaps in his knowledge of how our government works. With that said, you don't have the success he has had without having something. Call it cunning, call it guile, use whatever term you have but he is still in office. If he were the complete dolt you think he is he would be out by now.
He manifested the largest political upset against 16 top tier candidates including one well financed heir apparent from a political dynasty. Crushed another political dynasty all while fending off the most massive negative media assault in the history of man. The largest assault and character assassination ever mounted against a single human being by the Democrats, Academia, Wall St, Hollywood, Chamber of Commerce, Foreign Leaders, Illegals, the deceased et al....all as a political novice....Show me another candidate in history other than maybe Reagan where the entire leadership of the party was so overtly against while blatantly defying the will of their base.

Yeah if that's one's definition of a moron well then no one should ever question my Liberalism is a Mental Disorder diagnosis....

And Demo I take issue with your "painfully obvious gaps in his knowledge of how our government works" comment.

That's a status quo comment.....

Clone, if you do not see that he quite literally had gaps in his knowledge about our government then you are drinking the kool aid.

Hell, on the subject of this topic, prior to being informed of it by Bannon shortly after taking office, Trump thought impeachment or death was the only way he could be removed form office. He had no clue that the 25th amendment allowed his cabinet to remove him.

Additionally there is the famous gaff about the nuclear triad along with many, many other little things that he did not understand going in.

Mind you, I am know saying that he can't learn these things, I am just saying that if you run for POTUS, certain things (25th Amendment for example) should be at the very top of you list of things to know. Trump is not a government guy, he is not a policy wonk. I get it and I am ok with it but to deny that there are gaps in his knowledge of government is just plain foolish on your part.
Those alleged Gaps are for wonks and attorneys....that's what you pay people for....

I was all set to go to law school and one of the things that irks me most is when I have to pay an attorney to tell somebody elses attorney to eff off when I would love the pleasure of doing it myself...

Also amazes me when I take someone who knows the gaps via software or some other entity that they couldn't get out of a paper bag and turn it into a viable product or brand...

I can't program a lick....my gaps....but if I could or could spout the legaleze my ceiling would have been much lower....

I will cede you the gaps but will posit they are a plus not a minus....now if Trump would mispronounce Corps then I would be more concerned....





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Mar 18 2018, 12:41 PM
So once again we have a good bit of turnover in Trump's cabinet. This is starting to become the norm with him and IMHO Tillerson was one of his best, most qualified choices when he started out.

It is certainly easy to attribute the constant churn in his cabinet to Trump's somewhat mercurial nature and I think most of us write off these as just Trump being Trump. It is easy and to some it is gratifying to think of Trump as a buffoon who does these things in a random nature or just because someone said something he did not like.

Maybe he is again showing us that he is sharper (or more cunning anyway) than many folks think he is. I think we all agree that Trump is not going to be impeached and removed by the current congress and if the democrats don't win a majority in the house this year then he won't be impeached by the next congress. So, realistically, the only simple path to his removal is the 25th amendment (something that Trump did not fully understand when he took office according to reports).

Here is the relevant part.

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"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


So, effectively, the 25th amendment allows 16 to remove a President. That is 13 cabinet members, Pence, Orrin Hatch, and Paul Ryan have the power to remove Trump from office.

Now ask yourself again why Trump is constantly changing out these cabinet members. Is he keeping the total opposition to him within his cabinet below 13?

So, is Trump the mercurial child-man throwing tantrums like some want to claim he is or is he just looking crazy like a fox does when it is running circles around those hunting it?

A good point, a moving target is harder to hit.

I think he has too many loose parts in the air though and the juggling won’t last forever.
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