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Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'
Topic Started: Mar 29 2018, 11:26 AM (955 Views)
George Aligator
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The pope is on strong theological ground. There is no reference to Hell anywhere in the Bible. The places cited metaphorically describe places where individuals are judged. Those judged good are rewarded. Those who are not -- Scripture says nothing, certainly nothing about endless torment and suffering.

Sunday-school traditionalists are shocked by the pope's position but it is not heresy and it is certainly not new or shocking to serious theologians.

Here's a summary:
http://micahredding.com/blog/series/there-no-hell
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W A Mozart
Mar 29 2018, 11:49 AM
Robertr2000
Mar 29 2018, 11:29 AM
So the Pope is now contradicting God?


Maybe the Pope is the Devil.


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The more and more I read about this guy, I am wondering just the same....


Mozart
Because if Hell doesn't exist....... then the Devil doesn't exist....... and then there is no God.



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"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Mar 29 2018, 01:02 PM
PATruth
Mar 29 2018, 11:29 AM
W A Mozart
Mar 29 2018, 11:28 AM
:popcorn: ....Wait, ....what? ....Come again?

No devil? No 24/7 Metallica blaring over Lucifer's loudspeakers? No burning sensation, all over?


Party-on....!


Mozart
I always thought Hillary was Satan's daughter.. The Clinton's will sleep well tonight.
The real skinny.....

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Robertr2000
Mar 29 2018, 03:26 PM
W A Mozart
Mar 29 2018, 11:49 AM
Robertr2000
Mar 29 2018, 11:29 AM
So the Pope is now contradicting God?


Maybe the Pope is the Devil.


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The more and more I read about this guy, I am wondering just the same....


Mozart
Because if Hell doesn't exist....... then the Devil doesn't exist....... and then there is no God.



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Yeah, but the guy above is the "good" Pope.... :)


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W A Mozart
Mar 29 2018, 03:44 PM
Robertr2000
Mar 29 2018, 03:26 PM
W A Mozart
Mar 29 2018, 11:49 AM
Robertr2000
Mar 29 2018, 11:29 AM
So the Pope is now contradicting God?


Maybe the Pope is the Devil.


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The more and more I read about this guy, I am wondering just the same....


Mozart
Because if Hell doesn't exist....... then the Devil doesn't exist....... and then there is no God.



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Yeah, but the guy above is the "good" Pope.... :)


Mozart
The Vatican was taken over long ago.
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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George Aligator
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It is amusing to see the arrogance with which our right wing trolls presume to judge the theological statements of a world-renowned expert on the subject. But they they jump into issues of constitutional law and theory with the same blissful self-confidence. This attitude is only found among uneducated people who themselves have never met anyone with an education. They are the ideological professors of Donald Trump's political movement. What a clown show!
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George Aligator
Mar 29 2018, 04:00 PM
... ( edited )This attitude is only found among uneducated people who themselves have never met anyone with an education.
When they end up in prison for student loan debt, it will finally be a wake up call .
Edited by _g R_, Mar 29 2018, 04:05 PM.
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The winners do not concern themselves with the opinions of the losers.


What were you saying George? Never mind......
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Coast2coast

Gehenna - a place outside of Jerusalem that was used as a place of child sacrifice and therefore a cursed place. Also the place of a garbage dump considered unclean.

This is the foundation of "Hell". There never was a place, an underworld. a devil - all man manufactured.
That's the reality.

Now if someone believes per their religion (a place of faith) then more power to them. Let your faith be your belief then and don't worry about what the Pope said. If you don't want to believe it then it doesn't apply to your life.

Edited by Coast2coast, Mar 29 2018, 04:21 PM.
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Mar 29 2018, 04:05 PM
The winners do not concern themselves with the opinions of the losers.


What were you saying George? Never mind......
I infer from this distinguished gentleman's remark ^^^ that he considers himself and his fellow Trumpettes to be winners because of the fluke victory in the Electoral College provided by Russian intelligence services. His ilk cannot grasp that a presidential election is not the same class of win as a high school football game. The end of the football game marks the end of the contest. Presidential election, especially by such a fluke as brought Trump to the White House, is not the end of the contest, it is the beginning. The contest is determined by what Trump can do with the opportunity he managed to snatch fraudulently from Mrs. Clinton.

And it is in the real, post-election contest that Trump and his shrinking band of elderly, racist gun nuts, have lost and lost catastrophically. Legislatively, they have accomplished nothing. Administratively, they have become an international laughing stock. Not only have they failed to put up any accomplishments, they have set the stage for their revolutionary defeat by an energized, new generation of Democratic voters.

The absurd notion that the winners do not concern themselves with the opinions of the losers has played a major role in the fatal collapse of the American fascist movement. Trump and little band of nativists have not concerned themselves with the opinion of women, non-whites, people concerned about healthcare, gun violence or wages. Their movement collapsed before Inauguration Day and has been mired it its own foul-mothed rhetoric ever since. It's all they've got.
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Mar 29 2018, 04:20 PM
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Mar 29 2018, 04:05 PM
The winners do not concern themselves with the opinions of the losers.


What were you saying George? Never mind......
I infer from this distinguished gentleman's remark ^^^ that he considers himself and his fellow Trumpettes to be winners because of the fluke victory in the Electoral College provided by Russian intelligence services. His ilk cannot grasp that a presidential election is not the same class of win as a high school football game. The end of the football game marks the end of the contest. Presidential election, especially by such a fluke as brought Trump to the White House, is not the end of the contest, it is the beginning. The contest is determined by what Trump can do with the opportunity he managed to snatch fraudulently from Mrs. Clinton.

And it is in the real, post-election contest that Trump and his shrinking band of elderly, racist gun nuts, have lost and lost catastrophically. Legislatively, they have accomplished nothing. Administratively, they have become an international laughing stock. Not only have they failed to put up any accomplishments, they have set the stage for their revolutionary defeat by an energized, new generation of Democratic voters.

The absurd notion that the winners do not concern themselves with the opinions of the losers has played a major role in the fatal collapse of the American fascist movement. Trump and little band of nativists have not concerned themselves with the opinion of women, non-whites, people concerned about healthcare, gun violence or wages. Their movement collapsed before Inauguration Day and has been mired it its own foul-mothed rhetoric ever since. It's all they've got.
Interesting. So this George believes that the Russian Intelligence services took over our voting system and gave the election to Trump?



Is this what you believe?
Edited by Robertr2000, Mar 29 2018, 04:31 PM.
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Mar 29 2018, 04:20 PM
Robertr2000
Mar 29 2018, 04:05 PM
The winners do not concern themselves with the opinions of the losers.


What were you saying George? Never mind......
I infer from this distinguished gentleman's remark ^^^ that he considers himself and his fellow Trumpettes to be winners because of the fluke victory in the Electoral College provided by Russian intelligence services.
So what is the connection between our Electoral College and any Russians ?
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...."His ilk cannot grasp that a presidential election is not the same class of win as a high school football game. The end of the football game marks the end of the contest. Presidential election, especially by such a fluke as brought Trump to the White House, is not the end of the contest, it is the beginning." ...

We get to take home the trophy, go to the 'mixer' after the game and dance with a bodacious 17 year old cheerleader, ...and her friends!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8O79uP0JmM

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Mar 29 2018, 04:28 PM
George Aligator
Mar 29 2018, 04:20 PM
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Mar 29 2018, 04:05 PM
The winners do not concern themselves with the opinions of the losers.


What were you saying George? Never mind......
I infer from this distinguished gentleman's remark ^^^ that he considers himself and his fellow Trumpettes to be winners because of the fluke victory in the Electoral College provided by Russian intelligence services. His ilk cannot grasp that a presidential election is not the same class of win as a high school football game. The end of the football game marks the end of the contest. Presidential election, especially by such a fluke as brought Trump to the White House, is not the end of the contest, it is the beginning. The contest is determined by what Trump can do with the opportunity he managed to snatch fraudulently from Mrs. Clinton.

And it is in the real, post-election contest that Trump and his shrinking band of elderly, racist gun nuts, have lost and lost catastrophically. Legislatively, they have accomplished nothing. Administratively, they have become an international laughing stock. Not only have they failed to put up any accomplishments, they have set the stage for their revolutionary defeat by an energized, new generation of Democratic voters.

The absurd notion that the winners do not concern themselves with the opinions of the losers has played a major role in the fatal collapse of the American fascist movement. Trump and little band of nativists have not concerned themselves with the opinion of women, non-whites, people concerned about healthcare, gun violence or wages. Their movement collapsed before Inauguration Day and has been mired it its own foul-mothed rhetoric ever since. It's all they've got.
Interesting. So this George believes that the Russian Intelligence services took over our voting system and gave the election to Trump?



Is this what you believe?
Russian intelligence did not "take over" the mechanisms of either the popular vote or the Electoral College. What Russian intelligence did do was to steal data and purchase data under front organizations in order to design propaganda and disinformation targeted at a carefully defined demographic audience through social media. These lies and fake news reached hundreds of millions of Americans and were echoed by major news media. Their carefully calculated audience was significantly tilted away from Clinton towards voting for Trump or not voting at all. At the same time, the Trump campaign coordinated its wild campaign rhetoric to win over disillusioned voters and motivate believers to get to the polls. The anti-democratic structure of the Electoral College, with its disproportionate weight given low population states and winner-take-all delegate votes was able to give Trump a majority in the EC despite a three million dollar plurality for Clinton in the popular voting. A mere 77,000 critically targeted votes in a couple swing states was all that was needed and the Russian intelligence campaign delivered more than that. Fox News won't tell you that, but now you know.
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George Aligator
Mar 29 2018, 03:22 PM
The pope is on strong theological ground. There is no reference to Hell anywhere in the Bible. The places cited metaphorically describe places where individuals are judged. Those judged good are rewarded. Those who are not -- Scripture says nothing, certainly nothing about endless torment and suffering.

Sunday-school traditionalists are shocked by the pope's position but it is not heresy and it is certainly not new or shocking to serious theologians.

Here's a summary:
http://micahredding.com/blog/series/there-no-hell
Clergy should not speak about things they don't know about....Hell and the devil is product of poetry and fiction.............. :rollseyes:
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This is a serious shift in doctrine towards a Marxist ideology. Now all he needs to do is declare that salvation is universal and the fate of the church is sealed.

I am glad I am in a church led by true prophets of God, and that I have additional testaments of scripture to clarify doctrine, so that I do not fall to such dangerous heresy.
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What!....No hell?....Damn!....I was really looking forward to catching up with some old friends.... :wah:
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Mar 29 2018, 04:30 PM
George Aligator
Mar 29 2018, 04:20 PM
Robertr2000
Mar 29 2018, 04:05 PM
The winners do not concern themselves with the opinions of the losers.


What were you saying George? Never mind......
I infer from this distinguished gentleman's remark ^^^ that he considers himself and his fellow Trumpettes to be winners because of the fluke victory in the Electoral College provided by Russian intelligence services.
So what is the connection between our Electoral College and any Russians ?
Guess I'll never know.
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Mar 29 2018, 04:35 PM
..."His ilk cannot grasp"



Mozart
Righty trolls always give themselves away by using words like 'ilk' and 'leftist' that no people in real life ever say.
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Mar 29 2018, 11:17 PM
W A Mozart
Mar 29 2018, 04:35 PM
..."His ilk cannot grasp"



Mozart
Righty trolls always give themselves away by using words like 'ilk' and 'leftist' that no people in real life ever say.
You mean labelling people?....Nah....That's a leftist and their ilk thing.... :biggrin:
Edited by The Inquisitor, Mar 29 2018, 11:23 PM.
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