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| Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell' | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 29 2018, 11:26 AM (953 Views) | |
| George Aligator | Mar 31 2018, 09:31 AM Post #61 |
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The key issue and our distinguished colleague got it exactly wrong. Hell is not in the Bible. That is the fundamental point the pope made. The concept of a place of eternal torment following judgement of the soul of the deceased is not in the Bible. It is not a part of Jewish tradition. Is is an idea adopted from the Greeks and dramatized by pagans. Christian belief does include both particular (individual) judgement following death and general judgement at the end of the world -- dead rising from their graves etc. Souls judged to have been good will enjoy the beatific vision -- consciousness in the presence of God. The damned will not be burned forever by devils etc. They simply cease to exist. That's what the pope said. That's what contemporary Catholic theologians teach. BTW this ^^^ view fits within the broad range of America Protestantism. Check out the Universalists. You hate the pope for his politics but don't be so foolish as to engage him on the terrain of Biblical theology. Out of your league. |
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| W A Mozart | Mar 31 2018, 11:25 AM Post #62 |
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And then Georgie wrote......
...."The term “hell” is found twenty-three times in the King James Version of the English Bible." ... https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/406-use-of-hell-in-the-new-testament-the The apostle Peter wrote that: “God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment . . .” (2 Pet. 2:4)." ....... ...."the Lord said: “And be not afraid of them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Mt. 10:28; cf. Lk. 12:5). ..... Mozart Edited by W A Mozart, Mar 31 2018, 11:29 AM.
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| Mr. Tik | Apr 1 2018, 12:22 AM Post #63 |
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up | |
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| Che On The Rocks | Apr 1 2018, 05:26 AM Post #64 |
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Yes, that is your liturgy, Pat.
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| Che On The Rocks | Apr 1 2018, 05:43 AM Post #65 |
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The New York Times, SEPT. 18, 1999 Hell Is Getting A Makeover From Catholics; Jesuits Call It a Painful State But Not a Sulfurous Place
BBC, 30 March 2018 Vatican: Pope did not say there is no hell
![]() Hell is fundamental to Christian iconography, as in this 16th-Century engraving Psychology Today, Mar 31, 2018 Smile, There Is No Hell (Even the Pope Says So)
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| Che On The Rocks | Apr 1 2018, 05:56 AM Post #66 |
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The Pope, So many wars would never have happened, if the powerful had been at the service of the others!
![]() The Pope heading to the Regina Coeli prison The Pope, “Shame for a world devoured by wars and profit”
![]() The Pope in prayer during the Via Crucis at the Colosseum Pope baptizes Italy 'migrant hero' at Easter Eve service
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| W A Mozart | Apr 1 2018, 09:53 AM Post #67 |
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Sifting through billions and billions of Brasilian coffee beans this morning (ahem....), with many secretly originating in Colombia, I found just a handful to throw into my coffee blender, brrrrr, brrrruuuum, brrrruuummmm, to arrive at an exquisite perfection of finely ground coffee beans to which I gleefully pour steaming hot water over. French roast. Heaven, on Easter Sunday morning. Wow, ...good stuff! OK, OK, I could go with the Jesuits here. After all, if anyone knows how to create a "hell-on-earth," the Jesuits would. Yup, they do. I should know, I attended a Jesuit high school. ( ....) Them boys are tough! Furthermore, you will please note from the article that it is NOT the existence of hell which is in question here, but merely who is the giver of eternal pain. Pain is pain, ....is pain! Being forced to listen to Hillary Clinton explaining "how she lost that election" in a locked room, forever and ever, would constitute PAIN. Excruciating pain. Right? Eternal, never-ending, ....pain. I think I'd rather go to a version of Dante's Hell than, .....experiencing anything like that! Right? My God, have mercy!
The definition of pain, according to the pain-giving Jesuits. Mozart Edited by W A Mozart, Apr 1 2018, 10:00 AM.
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| George Aligator | Apr 1 2018, 10:09 AM Post #68 |
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A rookie mistake: the key word in the quote is "English". The KJ translation into 17th century English by a group of radical Calvinists is not admissible evidence in cases about original Scripture. If you can't read koine Greek, STFU |
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| W A Mozart | Apr 1 2018, 10:15 AM Post #69 |
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Swearing Georgie, on Easter Sunday morning? Oh my. Careful Georgie, you could be condemned to Hades, Tartaurus or Gehenna, and, and, ...you didn't even read the article, did you?... https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/406-use-of-hell-in-the-new-testament-the Mozart |
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| George Aligator | Apr 1 2018, 11:29 AM Post #70 |
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The notion that someone could be condemned to eternal torture for using the "F" word is exactly the sort of theological nonsense that the pope and his fellow theologians are attempting to erase from popular culture. |
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| clone | Apr 1 2018, 11:55 AM Post #71 |
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Listen to this for more than a minute and then tell me there is no hell.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VyOfDQZECc |
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Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence. | |
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| W A Mozart | Apr 1 2018, 05:48 PM Post #72 |
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Little doubt that you pulled that off of a Jesuit web site.....? Right? Right? Mozart |
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| W A Mozart | Apr 1 2018, 05:50 PM Post #73 |
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Well, ...maybe. But I wouldn't venture into the basement for the next couple of days if I were you, ....... Mozart |
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| Robert Stout | Apr 1 2018, 06:58 PM Post #74 |
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In Greek do they use the word "Detroit" ???...............
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| Mr. Tik | Apr 2 2018, 02:14 AM Post #75 |
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up | |
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| Che On The Rocks | Apr 2 2018, 05:09 AM Post #76 |
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‘Hope and dignity:’ Pope calls for peace in Easter message
![]() Pope Francis delivers his Urbi et Orbi (to the city and to the world) message from the main balcony of St. Peter’s Basilica, at the Vatican, Sunday, April 1, 2018. (AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia) |
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| W A Mozart | Apr 2 2018, 08:48 AM Post #77 |
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..."The church’s first pontiff from Latin America cited in particular the problems in Venezuela. He said he hoped the country would “find a just, peaceful and humane way to surmount quickly the political and humanitarian crises that grip it.” .... Perhaps he could start by "condemning to hell" all those nefarious Venezuelan political leaders to whom he gave credence by inviting to the Vatican. You know, the Satanic cretins who are now forcing the Venezuela people to sift through garbage cans for their basic food and necessities. That would be a nice start. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3CwNY1FkQs Mozart Edited by W A Mozart, Apr 2 2018, 08:50 AM.
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| George Aligator | Apr 2 2018, 10:09 AM Post #78 |
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The suggestion ^^^ that Vatican policy in Venezuela should be investigated is a good one |
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| Che On The Rocks | Apr 3 2018, 07:29 AM Post #79 |
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The last Pope backed Crusade was centuries ago, Wolfgang. So, if Uncle Sam wants to destroy/invade Venezuela, he will have to do it as a secular murderer, more than a holy warrior.
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| W A Mozart | Apr 3 2018, 10:21 AM Post #80 |
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No, ...no, ...no, you got it all wrong! I am forming a "Crusade" to storm the Vatican, throw all of the rascals, ...out. "Everyone, grab a pitchfork, and to the Vatican!" Won't that be fun? We're gonna make it like the French Revolution, ....blazing flambeau's, pitchforks galore and 6 foot long pikes. Scare the hell of out of em..... ![]() Mozart |
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....) Them boys are tough! Furthermore, you will please note from the article that it is NOT the existence of hell which is in question here, but merely who is the giver of eternal pain. Pain is pain, ....is pain! Being forced to listen to Hillary Clinton explaining "how she lost that election" in a locked room, forever and ever, would constitute PAIN. Excruciating pain. Right? Eternal, never-ending, ....pain. I think I'd rather go to a version of Dante's Hell than, .....experiencing anything like that! Right? My God, have mercy!


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