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Natural Law and Gun Rights
Topic Started: Mar 30 2018, 12:36 PM (257 Views)
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Robertr2000
Mar 31 2018, 12:17 PM
Old Trapper
Mar 31 2018, 10:40 AM
Robertr2000
Mar 31 2018, 09:44 AM
Old Trapper
Mar 30 2018, 12:36 PM
Right wingers, with their lack of understanding of the difference between natural (God Given) rights, and those rights "guaranteed" by government, may gain some understanding of how lacking in importance the Second Amendment is in a reality based society that actually functions as God intended, and the Founders envisioned. However, in today's world God has become a secondary, or perhaps even lower on the pole, authority as compared to mans authority:

http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/30/shouldnt-matter-repeal-second-amendment/?hl=1&noRedirect=1

"The Constitution mentions both natural and legal rights, and the distinction is critical. Within the Bill of Rights, some activities, like speech, are innate human rights protected against government interference. Other rights, like a speedy trial, are legal rights, which are products of the structure the Constitution created.

This distinction is crucial, because natural rights are articulated as endowed by God, while legal rights are endowed by government. The Founding Fathers understood natural rights to exist independent of—or in spite of—government. They simply exist for free people walking the earth. Legal rights are granted by men, and can be altered or destroyed by changes to law or the structure of government. The natural and legal rights in the Constitution are so fundamental that the Bill of Rights was added as an explicit bar to encroachment from the federal government.

The right to keep and bear arms is a natural right. It can be derived and is protected in multiple ways. Inherently, humans have natural grounds for self-preservation and defense. This right is beyond the reach of any person or government. Individuals can protect themselves using any necessary tools or actions."
Government can't Grant you natural or god given rights.

Government is there to afferm and protect those rights.

This America established. Until the evil globalists took over. But we have turned the tables on them by denying Hillary. We are cleaning out the 3 letter agentcies and hunting down the satanists and pedophiles

Gitmo is ready and waiting........

What a beautiful morning. :)
You didn't read the article once again. Thus you have no clue, as usual, as to what was said.
Sure I did, what I posted was more accurate than the article.
What you posted was included in the article, and if you had read it you would have known that.
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Robertr2000
Mar 31 2018, 12:24 PM
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Mar 31 2018, 10:46 AM
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Mar 31 2018, 09:53 AM
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Mar 31 2018, 09:46 AM
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Mar 31 2018, 09:39 AM

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That's not exactly true, males ages 18-51who have undergone military service previously are considered members of the Reserve, and as such are required to keep their weapon and gear, but I believe the weapons are all registered, and ammunition for said military grade weapon is strictly accounted for.

They're not so every Tom, Dick, and Harry can go Rambo
All citizens and even foriegners with permanent status can purchase semiautomatic weapons.
Wrong, as usual:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/swiss-guns/553448/

Hunting weapons must be registered with the local Canton. Pistols, rifles, and semiautomatic weapons require a license. The paperwork is relatively easy to obtain—and Cantons can make exceptions for individuals. (Citizens of Albania, Algeria, Sri Lanka, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, and Turkey who live in the country as permanent residents are forbidden from buying guns because of their nations’ history of civil war.)
You're new here so I'll give you a break.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/switzerland.php

Current Gun-Control Law

Overview

The Weapons Act contains a comprehensive regime for the licensing of the acquisition and carrying of permitted weapons; the banning of certain weapons, including automatic firearms; and the production and trade in weapons, including the reporting obligations of dealers and a registration system that covers all privately owned guns, including those acquired by inheritance, but not including hunting rifles. The federal Weapons Act is implemented by the cantons and the cantons also keep registers of privately owned guns. The provisions on ammunition are in keeping with the principles of the Act, which aims to deter abuse while permitting lawful gunownership.[43]

Acquisition of Guns

An acquisition license is required primarily for handguns. Rifles and semiautomatic long arms that are customarily used by recreational hunters are exempt from the licensing requirement,[44] whereas fully automatic guns are banned.[45] An applicant for a weapons license must be at least eighteen years of age, may not have been placed under guardianship, may not give cause for suspicion that he would endanger himself or others with the weapon, and may not have a criminal record with a conviction for a violent crime or of several convictions for nonviolent crimes.[46] The license is issued by the canton of residence of the applicant but is valid throughout Switzerland. The license is valid for six months, maximally nine months.[47] It is usually valid for the acquisition of one weapon only.[48]

The acquisition license is required only if a weapon is acquired from a dealer. No license is required for transactions between private individuals. Instead, these are permitted as long as the seller verifies the identity and age of the buyer by checking an official identification document and as long as he has no reason to believe that the buyer has been or should be disqualified from gun ownership. The buyer may ascertain these circumstances by requesting information from the cantonal authorities, but only if the buyer consents in writing.[49]

Carrying of Guns

The carrying of a gun for defensive purposes requires a carrying license, which will be granted only if the applicant is qualified to acquire guns; demonstrates a need for the weapon to protect himself, others, or property against existing dangers; and has passed an exam to test his required theoretical knowledge and practical skill.

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https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/switzerland.php
[Since your just stupid, I will give you a break Nothing in your article says that the law was changed save for the use of hunting rifles. There is a difference between a "citizen", and a "foreign national" who is a permanent resident. Thus your comment "All citizens and even foriegners with permanent status can purchase semiautomatic weapons." is still "wrong as usual".

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/bearing-arms_how-gun-loving-switzerland-regulates-its-firearms/43573832

"The Swiss authorities may also ban the acquisition, possession, or trade of weapons to citizens of certain countries if there is a clear danger of them being misused by those individuals or if decisions by the international community and the Swiss foreign ministry require it. Currently, it is illegalexternal link for foreign nationals from Albania, Algeria, Sri Lanka, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia and Turkey to acquire, own or carry weapons and to shoot firearms in Switzerland.

But, as remains the case for several aspects of the Swiss gun law, cantons may intervene on behalf of the people affected and seek special permits for them to be able to hunt or take part in sporting events. "
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