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14 states hit record-low unemployment
Topic Started: Apr 24 2018, 12:27 AM (440 Views)
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Apr 25 2018, 03:31 AM

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So it appears this "imported" labor you are so focused on is not really impacting Americans working since ... we have record low unemployment

Imagine that.
So importing millions of unskilled workers willing to work for minimum wage isn't driving down the wage rate? Are you really that naïve? Besides, they cost us 115 million dollars a year in healthcare, education and other expenses.
When you compare the net benefit with the net costs, they actually make us money. The Right likes to only look at the cost side while ignoring the "profit" or benefit side. By that accounting rule, all businesses lose money.

It is true that by fulfilling a scarcity of jobs that wages for those jobs are kept lower. They do not depress all wages since they do not impact many jobs in the country for which they are unqualified. They also keep the costs we pay for the benefits of these jobs at al lower level which is why inflation has been almost non-existent and people can afford to do more.

The real killer of wage increases is the anti-labor movement by the Republican Right.
Completely wrong, when you factor in healthcare costs, education costs, enforcement costs and incarceration costs the estimates are close to 115 billion/year. Add in lower wages and the money sent back to Mexico and other countries and it's probably a lot higher.

I asked this question in another thread, how does an illegal family get and PAY for their healthcare?
Again, your numbers come from the anti-immigrant FAIR organization and do not include revenue (taxes paid).

When they look at everything including federal, state and local, immigrants have a net benefit, mostly from paying federal taxes but not collecting federal benefits. Illegals do have a small net cost to state and local governments.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/110th-congress-2007-2008/reports/12-6-immigration.pdf - Study focuses on state and local, not federal

https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed - CATO critique of the FAIR analysis you used

https://www.gao.gov/assets/230/221495.pdf - GAO analysis of NET cost to government. Keep in mind, this does not include any cost/benefit to industry



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Apr 24 2018, 02:10 AM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deep"You leftists" .

Means nothing to me.
Your wife thinks I'm normal.
( At least not below average like she said you were )
Well, from the calmness level of your replies and syi's, I'm guessing she's probably about your 3rd wife, and judging by your venomous resentment toward all things left, your first two ran off with the kids and left you with all the bills while they turned lesbo and live together with their musician boyfriends buying weed and beer with your kids child support money getting Obamacare free and $1000 a month in food stamps. Right ?
That's pretty chickensh!t gR.
He called me an A hole first .
Is there a 2-tiered system of justice here or what ?

Maybe his 'wife' is a man. I couldn't care less, but at least try to work on developing a sense of humor... all of you cons are so stiff .
Calling you a-hole doesn't drag family into it. That's the line you crossed.
It was a joke based on a hypothetical family.
Like if I had asked " Did your ex-wife run off with a pothead musician ? Is that why you hat liberals so much ?"
See ?
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Yeah. Run along now.

Accuse someone of 'crossing the line' and call him an A hole, then when you realize "oh maybe he was just joking " you leave the headline out there with no retraction - anything to smear the progressives.
Edited by _g R_, Apr 26 2018, 12:42 PM.
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Americans may not be too surprised to learn that the 5.6 percent unemployment rate the U.S. Department of Labor is touting is entirely misleading. According to Gallup, the real unemployment rate is currently 12.6 percent.

The unemployment rate calculated by the Department of Labor is seriously flawed because it does not factor in whole groups of people that Americans would recognize as being unemployed, including those who are severely underemployed.

For example, a college graduate who is working only a few hours per week at the moment because he cannot find full-time work is not considered to be unemployed, even if his income is completely unlivable.


From 2015 ( the numbers have't changed much in 3 years )
https://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary/item/20042-true-unemployment-rate-is-far-higher-than-5-6-percent-notes-gallup
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Apr 26 2018, 12:42 PM
Yeah. Run along now.

Accuse someone of 'crossing the line' and call him an A hole, then when you realize "oh maybe he was just joking " you leave the headline out there with no retraction - anything to smear the progressives.
Duh???? Were you expecting an immediate response? Do you not understand how message boards work?

:rotflmao:

Geebus son pay attention. I never called you an a-hole. I said dragging family into it is a chickensh!t move
Edited by ringotuna, Apr 26 2018, 01:02 PM.
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Yeah. Run along now.

Accuse someone of 'crossing the line' and call him an A hole, then when you realize "oh maybe he was just joking " you leave the headline out there with no retraction - anything to smear the progressives.
Duh???? Were you expecting an immediate response? Do you not understand how message boards work?

:rotflmao:

Geebus son pay attention. I never called you an a-hole. I said dragging family into it is a chickensh!t move
^^ I rest my case.

Hypothetical family within the context of a joke.

Edited by _g R_, Apr 26 2018, 01:10 PM.
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Yeah. Run along now.

Accuse someone of 'crossing the line' and call him an A hole, then when you realize "oh maybe he was just joking " you leave the headline out there with no retraction - anything to smear the progressives.
Duh???? Were you expecting an immediate response? Do you not understand how message boards work?

:rotflmao:

Geebus son pay attention. I never called you an a-hole. I said dragging family into it is a chickensh!t move
^^ I rest my case.

Hypothetical family within the context of a joke.

You rest your case on falsely accusing me of calling you an a-hole? :rotflmao: Who are you? Trump's lawyer? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Edited by ringotuna, Apr 26 2018, 01:17 PM.
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Yeah. Run along now.

Accuse someone of 'crossing the line' and call him an A hole, then when you realize "oh maybe he was just joking " you leave the headline out there with no retraction - anything to smear the progressives.
Duh???? Were you expecting an immediate response? Do you not understand how message boards work?

:rotflmao:

Geebus son pay attention. I never called you an a-hole. I said dragging family into it is a chickensh!t move
^^ I rest my case.

Hypothetical family within the context of a joke.

You rest your case on falsely accusing me of calling you an a-hole? :rotflmao: Who are you? Trump's lawyer? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I see your reading and comprehesion skills need some improvement.
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Yeah. Run along now.

Accuse someone of 'crossing the line' and call him an A hole, then when you realize "oh maybe he was just joking " you leave the headline out there with no retraction - anything to smear the progressives.
Duh???? Were you expecting an immediate response? Do you not understand how message boards work?

:rotflmao:

Geebus son pay attention. I never called you an a-hole. I said dragging family into it is a chickensh!t move
^^ I rest my case.

Hypothetical family within the context of a joke.

You rest your case on falsely accusing me of calling you an a-hole? :rotflmao: Who are you? Trump's lawyer? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I see your reading and comprehesion skills need some improvement.
Do ya really? Or are ya just squirming around trying to weasel your way out of the accusation?
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Excellent News!! Wages will start heading the opposite direction soon....
Bu bu bu but RUSSIA!!!!!
Bu bu bu but STORMY!!!!!

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America is entering its next golden age ....

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I remember how Republicans were talking up the wonderful GWB economy, much of which he inherited from Clinton, right up until the point that the bottom fell out of the housing market and the entire economy nearly crashed. And then Obama had to step in and save things, for which Republicans refuse to give him any credit.

I imagine this will end up going the same way, except it might not take eight years for it to all go kablooey.
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I remember how Republicans were talking up the wonderful GWB economy, much of which he inherited from Clinton, right up until the point that the bottom fell out of the housing market and the entire economy nearly crashed. And then Obama had to step in and save things, for which Republicans refuse to give him any credit.

I imagine this will end up going the same way, except it might not take eight years for it to all go kablooey.
> Clinton's economy, right up until the point that the bottom fell out then it suddenly became GWB Jrs economy

:rollseyes:
Edited by estonianman, Apr 29 2018, 09:28 PM.
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I remember how Republicans were talking up the wonderful GWB economy, much of which he inherited from Clinton, right up until the point that the bottom fell out of the housing market and the entire economy nearly crashed. And then Obama had to step in and save things, for which Republicans refuse to give him any credit.

I imagine this will end up going the same way, except it might not take eight years for it to all go kablooey.
> Clinton's economy, right up until the point that the bottom fell out then it suddenly became GWB Jrs economy

:rollseyes:
Edward Pinto, a mortgage-industry consultant who was the chief credit officer at Fannie Mae in the late 1980s, argued in a WSJ op-ed essay that “most agree that the housing bubble started in 1997.” Who was the president in 1997? Slick Willy Clinton who apparently either ignored the trend of pending doom or chose to ignore it. Bush inherited it and apparently either ignored the trend or pending doom or chose to ignore it. Obama on the other hand had nothing to do with something that already happened. The recovery would have occurred regardless of whom was in office at the time. Obama did jacks**t to do anything at all.

Edited by peewee, Apr 29 2018, 10:41 PM.
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I remember how Republicans were talking up the wonderful GWB economy, much of which he inherited from Clinton, right up until the point that the bottom fell out of the housing market and the entire economy nearly crashed. And then Obama had to step in and save things, for which Republicans refuse to give him any credit.

I imagine this will end up going the same way, except it might not take eight years for it to all go kablooey.
> Clinton's economy, right up until the point that the bottom fell out then it suddenly became GWB Jrs economy

:rollseyes:
Edward Pinto, a mortgage-industry consultant who was the chief credit officer at Fannie Mae in the late 1980s, argued in a WSJ op-ed essay that “most agree that the housing bubble started in 1997.” Who was the president in 1997? Slick Willy Clinton who apparently either ignored the trend of pending doom or chose to ignore it. Bush inherited it and apparently either ignored the trend or pending doom or chose to ignore it. Obama on the other hand had nothing to do with something that already happened. The recovery would have occurred regardless of whom was in office at the time. Obama did jacks**t to do anything at all.

I agree with everything you said - who can forget the famous Krugman quote

"To fight this recession the Fed needs…soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. [So] Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble."

In 2002 mind you - but you are correct, the catalyst was high risk lending and the foundation was laid with the community reinvestment act.
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