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The Real Ronny Jackson Scandal Is That Trump Nominated Him at All
Topic Started: Apr 25 2018, 12:38 PM (147 Views)
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Since the beginning of his Presidential campaign, in 2015, Donald Trump has claimed that helping America’s military veterans is one of his highest priorities. “We will take care of our great veterans like they have never been taken care of before,” he said, at the Republican National Convention, in 2016. Last August, he claimed that his Administration was following through on his promise. “You see what’s been happening,” he told the national convention of the American Legion. “Now you have a true reformer in [Veterans Affairs] Secretary David Shulkin. He’s done an incredible job.”

Shulkin, a seasoned medical administrator who used to run New York’s Mount Sinai Beth Israel Medical Center, had done such incredible work that, last month, Trump decided to fire him, and replace him with his White House physician, Ronny Jackson, a U.S. Navy medic who has no experience running a large organization but does have experience giving the President a glowing medical report. Ostensibly, the reason that Trump got rid of Shulkin was because he became embroiled in a scandal after using public money to take his wife with him on a trip to Europe. But, as I pointed out at the time, the back story was that Trump got played by a group of conservative insiders who were annoyed at Shulkin’s resistance to the privatization agenda that right-wing think tanks and Republican donors have been pushing for years.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-real-ronny-jackson-scandal-is-that-trump-nominated-him-at-all
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The Trump administration's vetting of their nominees is pretty damn incompetent. Do they even bother?
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More Trump swamp in the making
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Apr 25 2018, 12:39 PM
The Trump administration's vetting of their nominees is pretty damn incompetent. Do they even bother?
Yeah ....um.....The guy was Obama's physician.... :dunno:

Ronny Lynn Jackson (born May 4, 1967) is an American physician, Physician to the President, and United States Navy rear admiral who has been nominated as the Secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs. He has been a White House physician since 2006. First appointed to the role of Physician to the President on July 25, 2013, by Barack Obama, he was retained by Donald Trump after his election in 2016.[1]

On March 28, 2018, President Donald Trump announced his intention to nominate Jackson as United States Secretary of Veterans Affairs, to succeed David Shulkin.[2][3]

The Physician to the President (also known colloquially as the White House doctor) is the formal and official title of the physician who is director of the White House Medical Unit, a unit of the White House Military Office responsible for the medical needs of the President of the United States, Vice President, White House staff, and visitors.[1] The Physician to the President is also the Chief White House Physician.[2]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronny_Jackson

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Apr 25 2018, 12:39 PM
The Trump administration's vetting of their nominees is pretty damn incompetent. Do they even bother?
Trump put a lot of weight on his personal interactions with Jackson. He has had similar positive reactions from Obama and Bush. I'm not at all sure how accurate the personal criticisms are. That doesn't mean he is a good administrator. The most interesting part of the OP is the last paragraph ending "But, as I pointed out at the time, the back story was that Trump got played by a group of conservative insiders who were annoyed at Shulkin’s resistance to the privatization agenda that right-wing think tanks and Republican donors have been pushing for years." Privatizing the VA is a multi-billion dollar scheme for the for-profit medical industry -- the same guys that are making billions off ACA.
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Apr 25 2018, 01:03 PM
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Apr 25 2018, 12:39 PM
The Trump administration's vetting of their nominees is pretty damn incompetent. Do they even bother?
Trump put a lot of weight on his personal interactions with Jackson. He has had similar positive reactions from Obama and Bush. I'm not at all sure how accurate the personal criticisms are. That doesn't mean he is a good administrator. The most interesting part of the OP is the last paragraph ending "But, as I pointed out at the time, the back story was that Trump got played by a group of conservative insiders who were annoyed at Shulkin’s resistance to the privatization agenda that right-wing think tanks and Republican donors have been pushing for years." Privatizing the VA is a multi-billion dollar scheme for the for-profit medical industry -- the same guys that are making billions off ACA.
The people who ran the VA into the ground were "good administrators..."

and apparently well vetted....

:popcorn:
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Apr 25 2018, 01:12 PM
George Aligator
Apr 25 2018, 01:03 PM
Opinionated
Apr 25 2018, 12:39 PM
The Trump administration's vetting of their nominees is pretty damn incompetent. Do they even bother?
Trump put a lot of weight on his personal interactions with Jackson. He has had similar positive reactions from Obama and Bush. I'm not at all sure how accurate the personal criticisms are. That doesn't mean he is a good administrator. The most interesting part of the OP is the last paragraph ending "But, as I pointed out at the time, the back story was that Trump got played by a group of conservative insiders who were annoyed at Shulkin’s resistance to the privatization agenda that right-wing think tanks and Republican donors have been pushing for years." Privatizing the VA is a multi-billion dollar scheme for the for-profit medical industry -- the same guys that are making billions off ACA.
The people who ran the VA into the ground were "good administrators..."

and apparently well vetted....

:popcorn:
Which goes to show how difficult the job is and why it should not be given to someone with no health administration experience
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Trump nominated Jackson because he was impressed with Jackson's diagnosis after he examined him. Which sounded much like Trump wrote the diagnosis himself, regardless of the fact Trumps BMI, of 29.5 is far too high and basically means he's overweight.

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Apr 25 2018, 01:14 PM
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Apr 25 2018, 01:12 PM
George Aligator
Apr 25 2018, 01:03 PM
Opinionated
Apr 25 2018, 12:39 PM
The Trump administration's vetting of their nominees is pretty damn incompetent. Do they even bother?
Trump put a lot of weight on his personal interactions with Jackson. He has had similar positive reactions from Obama and Bush. I'm not at all sure how accurate the personal criticisms are. That doesn't mean he is a good administrator. The most interesting part of the OP is the last paragraph ending "But, as I pointed out at the time, the back story was that Trump got played by a group of conservative insiders who were annoyed at Shulkin’s resistance to the privatization agenda that right-wing think tanks and Republican donors have been pushing for years." Privatizing the VA is a multi-billion dollar scheme for the for-profit medical industry -- the same guys that are making billions off ACA.
The people who ran the VA into the ground were "good administrators..."

and apparently well vetted....

:popcorn:
Which goes to show how difficult the job is and why it should not be given to someone with no health administration experience
Nonsense....if you maintain the status quo you keep the status quo...and the status quo here is abject failure....

:dunno:

Meanwhile....

[twitter=RealSaavedra/status/989065098202439680]
Edited by clone, Apr 25 2018, 01:49 PM.
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Apr 25 2018, 01:48 PM
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Apr 25 2018, 01:14 PM
clone
Apr 25 2018, 01:12 PM
George Aligator
Apr 25 2018, 01:03 PM
Opinionated
Apr 25 2018, 12:39 PM
The Trump administration's vetting of their nominees is pretty damn incompetent. Do they even bother?
Trump put a lot of weight on his personal interactions with Jackson. He has had similar positive reactions from Obama and Bush. I'm not at all sure how accurate the personal criticisms are. That doesn't mean he is a good administrator. The most interesting part of the OP is the last paragraph ending "But, as I pointed out at the time, the back story was that Trump got played by a group of conservative insiders who were annoyed at Shulkin’s resistance to the privatization agenda that right-wing think tanks and Republican donors have been pushing for years." Privatizing the VA is a multi-billion dollar scheme for the for-profit medical industry -- the same guys that are making billions off ACA.
The people who ran the VA into the ground were "good administrators..."

and apparently well vetted....

:popcorn:
Which goes to show how difficult the job is and why it should not be given to someone with no health administration experience
Nonsense....if you maintain the status quo you keep the status quo...and the status quo here is abject failure....

:dunno:

Meanwhile....

[twitter=RealSaavedra/status/989065098202439680]
The VA is not an abject failure despite the media and Rightie rhetoric. Millions of vets depend on and get quality care and benefits from the VA. There needs to be improvement in key areas that have been identified and those improvements will take time. A seasoned administrator with health care experience in a large organization is needed.
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Apr 25 2018, 01:00 PM
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Apr 25 2018, 12:39 PM
The Trump administration's vetting of their nominees is pretty damn incompetent. Do they even bother?
Yeah ....um.....The guy was Obama's physician.... :dunno:

Ronny Lynn Jackson (born May 4, 1967) is an American physician, Physician to the President, and United States Navy rear admiral who has been nominated as the Secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs. He has been a White House physician since 2006. First appointed to the role of Physician to the President on July 25, 2013, by Barack Obama, he was retained by Donald Trump after his election in 2016.[1]

On March 28, 2018, President Donald Trump announced his intention to nominate Jackson as United States Secretary of Veterans Affairs, to succeed David Shulkin.[2][3]

The Physician to the President (also known colloquially as the White House doctor) is the formal and official title of the physician who is director of the White House Medical Unit, a unit of the White House Military Office responsible for the medical needs of the President of the United States, Vice President, White House staff, and visitors.[1] The Physician to the President is also the Chief White House Physician.[2]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronny_Jackson

And that's great. However, the difference in responsibility between being the President's physician and being head of the VA is pretty significant.

Besides, if this guy is as bad and it appears you can't really use the fact that Obama made a bad call as an excuse for Trump's bad call.

He was supposed to be better than Obama, according to you guys.
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The VA has an annual budget of 182 billion dollars. Follow the money. This isn't about medical care or even administrative competence. It is about the 182 billion dollars waiting to be diverted to private sector Republican billionaires.
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WASHINGTON — Dr. Ronny L. Jackson, the White House physician nominated to lead the Department of Veterans Affairs, provided “a large supply” of Percocet, a prescription opioid, to a White House military office staff member, throwing his own medical staff “into a panic” when the medical unit could not account for the missing drugs, according to a summary of questionable deeds compiled by the Democratic staff of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee.

A nurse on his staff said Dr. Jackson had written himself prescriptions, and when caught, he asked a physician assistant to provide the medication. And at a Secret Service going away party, the doctor got intoxicated and “wrecked a government vehicle,” according to the summary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/25/us/politics/ronny-jackson-veterans-affairs-nomination.html

Military docs are famous for being more generous with meds of all type than civilian MDs are.
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Not only will Jackson not be head of Veterans Affairs his Naval career is likely over as well, which is simply additional proof Trump destroys virtually everything he touches.
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Jackson will head the VA....Handle it...If Obama's selections to head the VA was so great, why has it been a disaster ???............ :tongue:
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Apr 25 2018, 07:25 PM
Jackson will head the VA....Handle it...If Obama's selections to head the VA was so great, why has it been a disaster ???............ :tongue:
*Jackson Resigns* :lol:






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Jackson dropped out last night, as was reported in the morning papers. The casual and impulsive technique whereby Trump nominated a grossly unacceptable candidate -- and ruined the good doctor's career in the process -- is just one of a long list of incompetent failures by a President whose most important single task is assembling the upper levels of the the executive branch. Donald Trump has failed spectacularly to discharge the duties of his office. The Jackson tragedy is no fluke; it is a symptom of profound dysfunction at the highest levels of our national government.

For a good depiction of how this happened see:
Meet the New Boss. Actually Quite Different From the Old Boss.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/opinion/trump-republican-establishment-elites.html
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Apr 26 2018, 09:23 AM
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Jackson will head the VA....Handle it...If Obama's selections to head the VA was so great, why has it been a disaster ???............ :tongue:
*Jackson Resigns* :lol:






You're laughing because Balack Obama made a judgement error in hiring Jackson? All Trump did was try to promote Obama's boy. I see nothing funny about that, fool.
Edited by peewee, Apr 26 2018, 10:57 AM.
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The underlying cause of this Jackson mess was Trump's firing of the VA chief because he was opposed to the privatizing of VA care, a major item on the Big Business shopping list. We will be hearing more on both sides of this multi-billion dollar issue, which will effect the healthcare of millions of American vets as the plan moves forward. Needless to say, the VA is big enough and troubled enough that there is a case to be made on both sides of the question. Some of the basic questions are quite like the issue with ACA. I wonder what Tsalagi has to say. He seems to be our man on the spot when it comes to this topic. I hope he posts on it.
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Jackson will head the VA....Handle it...If Obama's selections to head the VA was so great, why has it been a disaster ???............ :tongue:
*Jackson Resigns* :lol:






Are you going begin a sob fest :wah: when Pompeo is confirmed by the Senate today as your new Sos?
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