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High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University
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My advice to my younger siblings and other relatives has always been - college can be an invaluable experience (I don't regret my 4 years one bit) and a great thing to pursue, but also keep in mind the realities of attending a 2 or 4 year university/college (or more if you're going to get a Masters or Doctorate). Sometimes you can go into a trade but pursue what you wanted to do at a traditional college elsewhere, or on the side while you're working in your trade.
most people can't afford college today.. and why should they when they can get a bachelor and other degrees in apprenticeship programs and not pay for college, get paid on the job same rate as others do while being trained and don't end up with 100k in student loans when they finish the programs... that are 2, 4 and 6 year programs..

most students can't afford college today.. the apprenticeship programs are a way for those to get degree's and end up making more per year, than 4 year college students..





And there's the major problem, affordability. We need to do less bashing of Arts/social sciences majors and more work on decreasing the costs for degrees/increasing the aid available.

A society cannot live on trades alone.
Increasing the aid available, and sending everyone to college that wishes to do so, IS the problem.

You being a Liberal, this concept is not even in your mental universe to understand.
It is who is capable and capability should not be driven by their ability to afford college. If someone has the aptitude for the studies they should be given the chance to go.

It used to be that only those born into a wealthy family could afford to go to college. Smarter, more adept students who were not blessed with the abundance of riches due to family line were destined to work in the factory or the stables. That is not what we should believe in nor pursue. We should pursue putting the most able in the right career.
...and Tuition has gone through the roof. Millions of college students will never repay their loans while serving coffee for the rest of their lives.


Congratulations.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepmost people can't afford college today.. and why should they when they can get a bachelor and other degrees in apprenticeship programs and not pay for college, get paid on the job same rate as others do while being trained and don't end up with 100k in student loans when they finish the programs... that are 2, 4 and 6 year programs..

most students can't afford college today.. the apprenticeship programs are a way for those to get degree's and end up making more per year, than 4 year college students..





And there's the major problem, affordability. We need to do less bashing of Arts/social sciences majors and more work on decreasing the costs for degrees/increasing the aid available.

A society cannot live on trades alone.
Increasing the aid available, and sending everyone to college that wishes to do so, IS the problem.

You being a Liberal, this concept is not even in your mental universe to understand.
It is who is capable and capability should not be driven by their ability to afford college. If someone has the aptitude for the studies they should be given the chance to go.

It used to be that only those born into a wealthy family could afford to go to college. Smarter, more adept students who were not blessed with the abundance of riches due to family line were destined to work in the factory or the stables. That is not what we should believe in nor pursue. We should pursue putting the most able in the right career.
...and Tuition has gone through the roof. Millions of college students will never repay their loans while serving coffee for the rest of their lives.


Congratulations.
Costs have gotten prohibitive. I worked my way through college paying my way. It is no longer possible to do that.

But cost is different than entitlement. The fact is, as a society, we should be encouraging those that can. We should be looking for the best and brightest regardless of economic class.
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My advice to my younger siblings and other relatives has always been - college can be an invaluable experience (I don't regret my 4 years one bit) and a great thing to pursue, but also keep in mind the realities of attending a 2 or 4 year university/college (or more if you're going to get a Masters or Doctorate). Sometimes you can go into a trade but pursue what you wanted to do at a traditional college elsewhere, or on the side while you're working in your trade.
most people can't afford college today.. and why should they when they can get a bachelor and other degrees in apprenticeship programs and not pay for college, get paid on the job same rate as others do while being trained and don't end up with 100k in student loans when they finish the programs... that are 2, 4 and 6 year programs..

most students can't afford college today.. the apprenticeship programs are a way for those to get degree's and end up making more per year, than 4 year college students..





And there's the major problem, affordability. We need to do less bashing of Arts/social sciences majors and more work on decreasing the costs for degrees/increasing the aid available.

A society cannot live on trades alone.
The cost of a year in Iraq and Afghanistan could have paid off our entire student loan debt.
Let's just get real here.
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The Sanders plan for tuition-free state colleges is now mainstream policy with Democratic voters. As the idea sinks in, more and more Americans are going to see why extending public education for those who wish it for four more years makes very good sense. It's good for America.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepmost people can't afford college today.. and why should they when they can get a bachelor and other degrees in apprenticeship programs and not pay for college, get paid on the job same rate as others do while being trained and don't end up with 100k in student loans when they finish the programs... that are 2, 4 and 6 year programs..

most students can't afford college today.. the apprenticeship programs are a way for those to get degree's and end up making more per year, than 4 year college students..
Increasing the aid available, and sending everyone to college that wishes to do so, IS the problem.

You being a Liberal, this concept is not even in your mental universe to understand.
It is who is capable and capability should not be driven by their ability to afford college. If someone has the aptitude for the studies they should be given the chance to go.

It used to be that only those born into a wealthy family could afford to go to college. Smarter, more adept students who were not blessed with the abundance of riches due to family line were destined to work in the factory or the stables. That is not what we should believe in nor pursue. We should pursue putting the most able in the right career.
...and Tuition has gone through the roof. Millions of college students will never repay their loans while serving coffee for the rest of their lives.


Congratulations.
Costs have gotten prohibitive. I worked my way through college paying my way. It is no longer possible to do that.

But cost is different than entitlement. The fact is, as a society, we should be encouraging those that can. We should be looking for the best and brightest regardless of economic class.
"Costs have gotten prohibitive."

Why.... Cause?
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepmost people can't afford college today.. and why should they when they can get a bachelor and other degrees in apprenticeship programs and not pay for college, get paid on the job same rate as others do while being trained and don't end up with 100k in student loans when they finish the programs... that are 2, 4 and 6 year programs..

most students can't afford college today.. the apprenticeship programs are a way for those to get degree's and end up making more per year, than 4 year college students..
Increasing the aid available, and sending everyone to college that wishes to do so, IS the problem.

You being a Liberal, this concept is not even in your mental universe to understand.
It is who is capable and capability should not be driven by their ability to afford college. If someone has the aptitude for the studies they should be given the chance to go.

It used to be that only those born into a wealthy family could afford to go to college. Smarter, more adept students who were not blessed with the abundance of riches due to family line were destined to work in the factory or the stables. That is not what we should believe in nor pursue. We should pursue putting the most able in the right career.
...and Tuition has gone through the roof. Millions of college students will never repay their loans while serving coffee for the rest of their lives.


Congratulations.
Costs have gotten prohibitive. I worked my way through college paying my way. It is no longer possible to do that.

But cost is different than entitlement. The fact is, as a society, we should be encouraging those that can. We should be looking for the best and brightest regardless of economic class.
"Costs have gotten prohibitive."

Why.... Cause?
hint: It's the same reason housing prices are so high....


give up?
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepmost people can't afford college today.. and why should they when they can get a bachelor and other degrees in apprenticeship programs and not pay for college, get paid on the job same rate as others do while being trained and don't end up with 100k in student loans when they finish the programs... that are 2, 4 and 6 year programs..

most students can't afford college today.. the apprenticeship programs are a way for those to get degree's and end up making more per year, than 4 year college students..
Increasing the aid available, and sending everyone to college that wishes to do so, IS the problem.

You being a Liberal, this concept is not even in your mental universe to understand.
...and Tuition has gone through the roof. Millions of college students will never repay their loans while serving coffee for the rest of their lives.


Congratulations.
Costs have gotten prohibitive. I worked my way through college paying my way. It is no longer possible to do that.

But cost is different than entitlement. The fact is, as a society, we should be encouraging those that can. We should be looking for the best and brightest regardless of economic class.
"Costs have gotten prohibitive."

Why.... Cause?
hint: It's the same reason housing prices are so high....


give up?
gov't interference for the win?
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From the article...

"While a shortage of workers is pushing wages higher in the skilled trades, the financial return from a bachelor's degree is softening, even as the price — and the average debt into which it plunges students — keeps going up."

The market self-corrects, it doesn't need any help from Ivy League Idiots! Leave it the hell alone!

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Both higher education and skills education has great value to them. One right for some, the other right for others. They should not be in competition with one another.




One of my nieces is a 6th grade art teacher who drives an 18 wheeler in some of her off-time.
A few summers ago she got her CDL and now she actually owns her own rig.
I have this vision of her class projects being all truck related.


And her own truck being a work of art

I'm sure the extra money is great. Its a shame that a teacher in any discipline needs a second job to make ends meet - but that is a separate subject.





I texted her one day that she should give the class extra incentive for doing well...if the class average at the end of the year is above C+, the school will allow her to use one of the school buses to take the class on a 4 week road trip from Atlanta Georgia to Seattle Washington through Arizona ,California and Oregon and then back through Montana, the plains, Chicago, and onto NYC then back home.

She texted back " lol...I'll check with the school board and see if it's ok."
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Test for everyone - what is the one most powerful union in the USA ?
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Test for everyone - what is the one most powerful union in the USA ?
The NEA.............. :biggrin:
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepmost people can't afford college today.. and why should they when they can get a bachelor and other degrees in apprenticeship programs and not pay for college, get paid on the job same rate as others do while being trained and don't end up with 100k in student loans when they finish the programs... that are 2, 4 and 6 year programs..

most students can't afford college today.. the apprenticeship programs are a way for those to get degree's and end up making more per year, than 4 year college students..
Increasing the aid available, and sending everyone to college that wishes to do so, IS the problem.

You being a Liberal, this concept is not even in your mental universe to understand.
It is who is capable and capability should not be driven by their ability to afford college. If someone has the aptitude for the studies they should be given the chance to go.

It used to be that only those born into a wealthy family could afford to go to college. Smarter, more adept students who were not blessed with the abundance of riches due to family line were destined to work in the factory or the stables. That is not what we should believe in nor pursue. We should pursue putting the most able in the right career.
...and Tuition has gone through the roof. Millions of college students will never repay their loans while serving coffee for the rest of their lives.


Congratulations.
Costs have gotten prohibitive. I worked my way through college paying my way. It is no longer possible to do that.

But cost is different than entitlement. The fact is, as a society, we should be encouraging those that can. We should be looking for the best and brightest regardless of economic class.
"Costs have gotten prohibitive."

Why.... Cause?
Here in Ohio the main reason is cuts in state aid. It is more important that the Republicans provide tax cuts.

There is also a huge competition for a shrinking pool of students. The universities expanded to handle the baby boomers and now there are fewer college age kids. That will swing back but colleges are building new buildings and providing new perks to attrack the best and brightest and that costs money. There is a race to the top for everything: facilities, faculty, majors.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepmost people can't afford college today.. and why should they when they can get a bachelor and other degrees in apprenticeship programs and not pay for college, get paid on the job same rate as others do while being trained and don't end up with 100k in student loans when they finish the programs... that are 2, 4 and 6 year programs..

most students can't afford college today.. the apprenticeship programs are a way for those to get degree's and end up making more per year, than 4 year college students..
Increasing the aid available, and sending everyone to college that wishes to do so, IS the problem.

You being a Liberal, this concept is not even in your mental universe to understand.
...and Tuition has gone through the roof. Millions of college students will never repay their loans while serving coffee for the rest of their lives.


Congratulations.
Costs have gotten prohibitive. I worked my way through college paying my way. It is no longer possible to do that.

But cost is different than entitlement. The fact is, as a society, we should be encouraging those that can. We should be looking for the best and brightest regardless of economic class.
"Costs have gotten prohibitive."

Why.... Cause?
Here in Ohio the main reason is cuts in state aid. It is more important that the Republicans provide tax cuts.

There is also a huge competition for a shrinking pool of students. The universities expanded to handle the baby boomers and now there are fewer college age kids. That will swing back but colleges are building new buildings and providing new perks to attrack the best and brightest and that costs money. There is a race to the top for everything: facilities, faculty, majors.
Some parents were shocked to learn that their little genius was neither the best or brightest...They wasted thousands of dollars in college expenses.......... :rollseyes:
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Test for everyone - what is the one most powerful union in the USA ?
The NEA.............. :biggrin:
There are 2 and they both start with tea
TEACHERS
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If the teamsters decide to shut it down , it's done.

A nationwide traffic jam would cripple this country and it could happen within a matter of minutes.
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Both higher education and skills education has great value to them. One right for some, the other right for others. They should not be in competition with one another.




One of my nieces is a 6th grade art teacher who drives an 18 wheeler in some of her off-time.
A few summers ago she got her CDL and now she actually owns her own rig.
I have this vision of her class projects being all truck related.


And her own truck being a work of art

I'm sure the extra money is great. Its a shame that a teacher in any discipline needs a second job to make ends meet - but that is a separate subject.





I texted her one day that she should give the class extra incentive for doing well...if the class average at the end of the year is above C+, the school will allow her to use one of the school buses to take the class on a 4 week road trip from Atlanta Georgia to Seattle Washington through Arizona ,California and Oregon and then back through Montana, the plains, Chicago, and onto NYC then back home.

She texted back " lol...I'll check with the school board and see if it's ok."
And the bus showed up the next day? :)

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Both higher education and skills education has great value to them. One right for some, the other right for others. They should not be in competition with one another.




One of my nieces is a 6th grade art teacher who drives an 18 wheeler in some of her off-time.
A few summers ago she got her CDL and now she actually owns her own rig.
I have this vision of her class projects being all truck related.


And her own truck being a work of art

I'm sure the extra money is great. Its a shame that a teacher in any discipline needs a second job to make ends meet - but that is a separate subject.





I texted her one day that she should give the class extra incentive for doing well...if the class average at the end of the year is above C+, the school will allow her to use one of the school buses to take the class on a 4 week road trip from Atlanta Georgia to Seattle Washington through Arizona ,California and Oregon and then back through Montana, the plains, Chicago, and onto NYC then back home.

She texted back " lol...I'll check with the school board and see if it's ok."
And the bus showed up the next day? :)



If she ran with it, one of the kids would probably say, "Only poor people take the bus....why can't we fly on airplanes ? :wah:
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Here in Ohio the main reason is cuts in state aid. It is more important that the Republicans provide tax cuts.

There is also a huge competition for a shrinking pool of students. The universities expanded to handle the baby boomers and now there are fewer college age kids. That will swing back but colleges are building new buildings and providing new perks to attrack the best and brightest and that costs money. There is a race to the top for everything: facilities, faculty, majors.
Geezus, the level of ignorance of basic economic principles in this statement is actually shocking...
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepOne of my nieces is a 6th grade art teacher who drives an 18 wheeler in some of her off-time.
A few summers ago she got her CDL and now she actually owns her own rig.
I have this vision of her class projects being all truck related.


And her own truck being a work of art

I'm sure the extra money is great. Its a shame that a teacher in any discipline needs a second job to make ends meet - but that is a separate subject.





I texted her one day that she should give the class extra incentive for doing well...if the class average at the end of the year is above C+, the school will allow her to use one of the school buses to take the class on a 4 week road trip from Atlanta Georgia to Seattle Washington through Arizona ,California and Oregon and then back through Montana, the plains, Chicago, and onto NYC then back home.

She texted back " lol...I'll check with the school board and see if it's ok."
And the bus showed up the next day? :)



If she ran with it, one of the kids would probably say, "Only poor people take the bus....why can't we fly on airplanes ? :wah:
Then bring 'em a plane!

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