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High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepOne of my nieces is a 6th grade art teacher who drives an 18 wheeler in some of her off-time.
A few summers ago she got her CDL and now she actually owns her own rig.
I texted her one day that she should give the class extra incentive for doing well...if the class average at the end of the year is above C+, the school will allow her to use one of the school buses to take the class on a 4 week road trip from Atlanta Georgia to Seattle Washington through Arizona ,California and Oregon and then back through Montana, the plains, Chicago, and onto NYC then back home.

She texted back " lol...I'll check with the school board and see if it's ok."
And the bus showed up the next day? :)



If she ran with it, one of the kids would probably say, "Only poor people take the bus....why can't we fly on airplanes ? :wah:
Then bring 'em a plane!

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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepOne of my nieces is a 6th grade art teacher who drives an 18 wheeler in some of her off-time.
A few summers ago she got her CDL and now she actually owns her own rig.
I texted her one day that she should give the class extra incentive for doing well...if the class average at the end of the year is above C+, the school will allow her to use one of the school buses to take the class on a 4 week road trip from Atlanta Georgia to Seattle Washington through Arizona ,California and Oregon and then back through Montana, the plains, Chicago, and onto NYC then back home.

She texted back " lol...I'll check with the school board and see if it's ok."
And the bus showed up the next day? :)



If she ran with it, one of the kids would probably say, "Only poor people take the bus....why can't we fly on airplanes ? :wah:
Then bring 'em a plane!

Posted Image :)




Wow!...Your old....Damn near ancient.... :biggrin:
^^ Never rode on a bus .
Not even to visit one of his first 3 wives .
(hypothetically speaking )
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Maybe in the 1980's or with a technical degree GA but kids doing 4 years for a sociology degree end up as assistant managers for McDonalds making $30k a year.

Well, maybe with the current better jobs environment they can do a little better and get slightly higher compensation. When I interview people I actually give more credit to someone who has 4 years of apprenticeship while working regularly than to someone who went to college on mommy & daddy's dollar for 4 years.

Generally speaking, I find people who have done a tour of service in the military or those who have done an apprenticeship to be better prepared than those who spend 4 years seeking a non-technical degree. Now, someone who went to a decent school and got an engineering degree, a physics degree, a mathematics degree, things like that, those folks are usually pretty solid.

People with arts degrees though are usually not worth the time it would take to train them to read a tape measure...
That's a rather judgmental attitude towards the arts.

The arts by the way has an amazing amount of talented and skilled electrical workers, carpenters and other technicians to mention but a few of the skills. Many of them were Arts Majors in college.






Hey, I can only tell you what my experience has been. They may work out well in the film and theater business. In the industrial construction and engineering world, not so much.
An Arts Major in Engineering? After Deus ex Machina what's left? :biggrin:

First and foremost I should point out that when I say "arts degree" I am talking about the difference between a BA and a BS degree. Not someone who went to Juilliard or some place like that. So when I say that I have found that the people with "arts degrees" to be not worth the time, I am talking about a whole bunch of people lol.

They are not applying for engineering positions BTW as those would actually require engineering lol. No, sometimes we get tasked by a few of our customers to assist in part of their vetting process. When it comes to large companies and government agencies you get people applying for jobs from all kinds of backgrounds.
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Those liberal arts AB degrees were never meant to produce engineers or technicians. Those are job categories hard to fill. But the AB in humanities is hardly useless. It is the foundation for careers in education, social service etc. which are just as badly needed but with inadequate openings and crap pay. Jobs for industry are needed and pay well. Jobs for society are needed at least as badly but are being destroyed.
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Here in Ohio the main reason is cuts in state aid. It is more important that the Republicans provide tax cuts.

There is also a huge competition for a shrinking pool of students. The universities expanded to handle the baby boomers and now there are fewer college age kids. That will swing back but colleges are building new buildings and providing new perks to attrack the best and brightest and that costs money. There is a race to the top for everything: facilities, faculty, majors.
Geezus, the level of ignorance of basic economic principles in this statement is actually shocking...
The shocking ignorance is seen in the Republican/Right economic policy which has never worked but you keep pushing it.
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That's a rather judgmental attitude towards the arts.

The arts by the way has an amazing amount of talented and skilled electrical workers, carpenters and other technicians to mention but a few of the skills. Many of them were Arts Majors in college.






Hey, I can only tell you what my experience has been. They may work out well in the film and theater business. In the industrial construction and engineering world, not so much.
An Arts Major in Engineering? After Deus ex Machina what's left? :biggrin:

First and foremost I should point out that when I say "arts degree" I am talking about the difference between a BA and a BS degree. Not someone who went to Juilliard or some place like that. So when I say that I have found that the people with "arts degrees" to be not worth the time, I am talking about a whole bunch of people lol.

They are not applying for engineering positions BTW as those would actually require engineering lol. No, sometimes we get tasked by a few of our customers to assist in part of their vetting process. When it comes to large companies and government agencies you get people applying for jobs from all kinds of backgrounds.
BA's routinely fill sales and finance positions. They also make good general management trainees. There are a lot of successful people in business that have BA degrees in exotic and not so exotic majors.
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Seventy-percent of construction companies nationwide are having trouble finding qualified workers, according to the Associated General Contractors of America; in Washington, the proportion is 80 percent.

There are already more trade jobs like carpentry, electrical, plumbing, sheet-metal work and pipe-fitting than Washingtonians to fill them, the state auditor reports. Many pay more than the state's average annual wage of $54,000.

Construction, along with health care and personal care, will account for one-third of all new jobs through 2022, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. There will also be a need for new plumbers and new electricians. And, as politicians debate a massive overhaul of the nation's roads, bridges and airports, the U.S. Department of Education reports that there will be 68 percent more job openings in infrastructure-related fields in the next five years than there are people training to fill them. NPR
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Those liberal arts AB degrees were never meant to produce engineers or technicians. Those are job categories hard to fill. But the AB in humanities is hardly useless. It is the foundation for careers in education, social service etc. which are just as badly needed but with inadequate openings and crap pay. Jobs for industry are needed and pay well. Jobs for society are needed at least as badly but are being destroyed.
America will survive if all our sociologists were to suddenly die............ :dunno:
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Those liberal arts AB degrees were never meant to produce engineers or technicians. Those are job categories hard to fill. But the AB in humanities is hardly useless. It is the foundation for careers in education, social service etc. which are just as badly needed but with inadequate openings and crap pay. Jobs for industry are needed and pay well. Jobs for society are needed at least as badly but are being destroyed.
America will survive if all our sociologists were to suddenly die.
Replace them with military recruiters ? One in every high school-- I'm sure you'd get bipartisan Posted Image agreement on this bill.Posted Image
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That's a rather judgmental attitude towards the arts.

The arts by the way has an amazing amount of talented and skilled electrical workers, carpenters and other technicians to mention but a few of the skills. Many of them were Arts Majors in college.






Hey, I can only tell you what my experience has been. They may work out well in the film and theater business. In the industrial construction and engineering world, not so much.
An Arts Major in Engineering? After Deus ex Machina what's left? :biggrin:

First and foremost I should point out that when I say "arts degree" I am talking about the difference between a BA and a BS degree. Not someone who went to Juilliard or some place like that. So when I say that I have found that the people with "arts degrees" to be not worth the time, I am talking about a whole bunch of people lol.

They are not applying for engineering positions BTW as those would actually require engineering lol. No, sometimes we get tasked by a few of our customers to assist in part of their vetting process. When it comes to large companies and government agencies you get people applying for jobs from all kinds of backgrounds.
Degrees are tailored to the sought for profession.

Who knows better how to shoot a conversation without crossing the line? The engineer with a degree that represents a decade of study, the ability to utilize math with all the thought we put into keeping our hearts beating and years of an apprenticeship or some kid that worked on three student films.

Answer, that "some kid".


Do I want that "some kid" designing a bridge? No way!

It all depends.

:) :cheers:


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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepmost people can't afford college today.. and why should they when they can get a bachelor and other degrees in apprenticeship programs and not pay for college, get paid on the job same rate as others do while being trained and don't end up with 100k in student loans when they finish the programs... that are 2, 4 and 6 year programs..

most students can't afford college today.. the apprenticeship programs are a way for those to get degree's and end up making more per year, than 4 year college students..
Increasing the aid available, and sending everyone to college that wishes to do so, IS the problem.

You being a Liberal, this concept is not even in your mental universe to understand.
...and Tuition has gone through the roof. Millions of college students will never repay their loans while serving coffee for the rest of their lives.


Congratulations.
Costs have gotten prohibitive. I worked my way through college paying my way. It is no longer possible to do that.

But cost is different than entitlement. The fact is, as a society, we should be encouraging those that can. We should be looking for the best and brightest regardless of economic class.
"Costs have gotten prohibitive."

Why.... Cause?
Here in Ohio the main reason is cuts in state aid. It is more important that the Republicans provide tax cuts.

There is also a huge competition for a shrinking pool of students. The universities expanded to handle the baby boomers and now there are fewer college age kids. That will swing back but colleges are building new buildings and providing new perks to attrack the best and brightest and that costs money. There is a race to the top for everything: facilities, faculty, majors.
You're saying that cuts in state aid are causing tuition to increase.....?

:box: :popcorn:



question: Are you stupid?
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Those liberal arts AB degrees were never meant to produce engineers or technicians. Those are job categories hard to fill. But the AB in humanities is hardly useless. It is the foundation for careers in education, social service etc. which are just as badly needed but with inadequate openings and crap pay. Jobs for industry are needed and pay well. Jobs for society are needed at least as badly but are being destroyed.
Every society in history has had some things in common and one of those has been organized entertainment. As inseparable from the human experience as is the engineering required to build the theater.

There will always be artists just as there will always be engineers. Both share an important triat in fact - 'imaginations' and ways of seeing the world that go beyond just the visual or our current knowledge / experiences.

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Those liberal arts AB degrees were never meant to produce engineers or technicians. Those are job categories hard to fill. But the AB in humanities is hardly useless. It is the foundation for careers in education, social service etc. which are just as badly needed but with inadequate openings and crap pay. Jobs for industry are needed and pay well. Jobs for society are needed at least as badly but are being destroyed.
Every society in history has had some things in common and one of those has been organized entertainment. As inseparable from the human experience as is the engineering required to build the theater.

There will always be artists just as there will always be engineers. Both share an important triat in fact - 'imaginations' and ways of seeing the world that go beyond just the visual or our current knowledge / experiences.

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Yesterday, I posted an article that dared to question the universal wisdom of pushing everyone toward a four-year degree. The article reached 3 million people, and not everyone was pleased...

Dawn Baker wrote, “Is it your intent to make those who choose college to feel ashamed, lazy and brainwashed? Our country's education system is under attack, and you seem to be supplying more ammunition to those attacking it......There's a reason many of these jobs pay well - they are truly HARD WORK - physically hard. Dangerous hard. Mentally hard. Feel free to send reps to the local unemployment office and brow beat them to send people to these jobs. Whether you mean to or not - your are sending a very bad message to those who want to destroy our higher education system.

Hi Dawn

You're right - our countries educational system is indeed under attack. But the attack is from within, and the wounds are self-inflicted.

Yesterday, they installed a “Cry Closet” at The University of Utah, where students feeling stressed-out over finals can clutch a stuffed animal and bawl their eyes out in private. https://bzfd.it/2HYu7pB. Last week, Ranga Jarrar, a professor at Fresno State, called Barbara Bush a witch and a racist the day she died, then bragged to the world that her tenured position meant that she could speak without fear of consequence. https://dpo.st/2vTSrUI. Meanwhile, Berkley just banned another speaker with views and ideas their students find “objectionable.” Or was it Yale? Hell, who can keep track anymore?

Point is, Dawn, the hypocrisy in our educational system is rank, the bias undeniable, the disrespect for our flag ubiquitous, and the entire “safe space” mentality the exact opposite of what life is like in the real world. Higher education has created its own PR nightmare. Is it any wonder parents are trying to figure out if their kids should be sent into such a lopsided environment? Is it any wonder reasonable people are beginning to question the value of a four-year degree?

Tuition has increased at two and half times the rate of inflation. Nothing else this important has ever done that. Not real estate, energy, food, even healthcare. The question is why? Is the quality of education two and half times better than it was thirty years ago? No way. Are universities turning out more graduates? Hardly. Fifty percent of those who enroll don't even graduate. Do people have more disposable income today than they used to? Of course not.

No, universities have been able to raise their prices partly because too many parents believe that anything less than a four-year degree will doom their kid to a less productive existence, and partly because we’ve pressured millions of kids to borrow whatever it takes from a bottomless pool of unlimited money that doesn't really exist. The result? One and a half trillion dollars of student debt, 6.3 million jobs that no one wants to do, and millions of college graduates who can't find work in their chosen fields - but lack the skill to do the kind of jobs currently available. The kind of jobs you deem, "hard work."

To answer your question, Dawn, no – my intent is not to make those who choose college feel “ashamed, lazy or brainwashed.” My intent is to remind people that a university is not the only place to enrich your mind or prepare yourself for the real world. Nor is it necessarily the best place. It's merely the most expensive. Other options exist, including those offered through my scholarship fund. Please feel free to apply, should your position at Oregon University ever vanish. Or, should you one day conclude that work is not the enemy. Mikeroweworks.org/scholarship.

Mike

PS. This is a short but excellent video from a graduate of Haverford College, who sums it up better that I. Enjoy!



https://youtu.be/-sjJ6UvMLI8






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Rowe makes some excellent points about the costs of college. Much of the sky-rocketing increases have nothing to do with education, although "profscam" (the obsolete hierarchy of faculty) tends to pay for seniority and lavishly subsidize staff who do little teaching and mostly write books. Even more costly is the environment which college feel obliged to provide. Undergraduate life has become a part of the hospitality industry and admissions has become a kind of marketing department endlessly pushing for more and more expenditures as if the pool of student applicants was hard to tap.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepmost people can't afford college today.. and why should they when they can get a bachelor and other degrees in apprenticeship programs and not pay for college, get paid on the job same rate as others do while being trained and don't end up with 100k in student loans when they finish the programs... that are 2, 4 and 6 year programs..

most students can't afford college today.. the apprenticeship programs are a way for those to get degree's and end up making more per year, than 4 year college students..
Increasing the aid available, and sending everyone to college that wishes to do so, IS the problem.

You being a Liberal, this concept is not even in your mental universe to understand.
...and Tuition has gone through the roof. Millions of college students will never repay their loans while serving coffee for the rest of their lives.


Congratulations.
Costs have gotten prohibitive. I worked my way through college paying my way. It is no longer possible to do that.

But cost is different than entitlement. The fact is, as a society, we should be encouraging those that can. We should be looking for the best and brightest regardless of economic class.
"Costs have gotten prohibitive."

Why.... Cause?
Here in Ohio the main reason is cuts in state aid. It is more important that the Republicans provide tax cuts.

There is also a huge competition for a shrinking pool of students. The universities expanded to handle the baby boomers and now there are fewer college age kids. That will swing back but colleges are building new buildings and providing new perks to attrack the best and brightest and that costs money. There is a race to the top for everything: facilities, faculty, majors.
You're saying that cuts in state aid are causing tuition to increase.....?

:box: :popcorn:



question: Are you stupid?
Uh ya... if the state reduces aid to higher education by $200 million that $200 million is coming from someplace. The universities can cut some spending but not all of it so they have to raise revenue (tuition).
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Those offers seem to be chump change compared to what America gives to illegals who have many anchor babies.......... :oyvey
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