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‘Secretly Taped Audio Reveals Democratic Leadership Pressuring Progressive to Leave Race’
Topic Started: Apr 26 2018, 05:36 PM (110 Views)
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http://theintercept.com/2018/04/26/steny-hoyer-audio-levi-tillemann/
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Sounds like the DCCC hasn't learned its lesson, yet.
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So? Welcome to Party politics. Before you run you had better get the support of the local Party leadership.

Parties are formed to win elections They support the candidates that they think can win elections. As part of that process there are winners and losers. I do not always like the candidates the Party puts up but I understand what they are doing and why they are doing it.

As Hoyer said, look at some of the candidates the Republicans are stuck with after the primary campaign.
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Apr 26 2018, 05:55 PM
Sounds like the DCCC hasn't learned its lesson, yet.
I think they have. We have seen a much stronger focus on organizing at the local precinct level. The Dems realized they need a local organization.

But the fact is, the Party needs to support who they think can win. They may get it wrong but to do otherwise is a mistake and threatens the Party.
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Apr 26 2018, 05:55 PM
Sounds like the DCCC hasn't learned its lesson, yet.
The DCCC understands full well who is in the new Democratic Party, who their candidates are going to be, and what the program they will run on is. They know what the rank-and-file Democrats want, they just don't want to see them get it.

Their problem is the same as the one that the RNCC and guys like McConnell have with Trump and his base: they want the votes but the don't want to make the changes that the voters want. We are approaching a three-legged political system: the Republican right, the Democratic left, and the Establishment oligarchy. The real bang is going to come when the right and the left discover there are some programs on which they can agree despite the opposition of the billionaires. That will blow the existing congressional setup apart.
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Apr 26 2018, 05:59 PM
…Parties are formed to win elections…
Like the Democrats (with Hillary Clinton) in 2016—and, before that, in 2010 and in 2014.

None of this so-called “winning” means anything from this corrupt, corporate Democratic Party Establishment.

While the Democratic Party operates this way…they are unworthy of voter support.
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Apr 26 2018, 06:02 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 05:55 PM
Sounds like the DCCC hasn't learned its lesson, yet.
The DCCC understands full well who is in the new Democratic Party, who their candidates are going to be, and what the program they will run on is. They know what the rank-and-file Democrats want, they just don't want to see them get it.

Their problem is the same as the one that the RNCC and guys like McConnell have with Trump and his base: they want the votes but the don't want to make the changes that the voters want. We are approaching a three-legged political system: the Republican right, the Democratic left, and the Establishment oligarchy. The real bang is going to come when the right and the left discover there are some programs on which they can agree despite the opposition of the billionaires. That will blow the existing congressional setup apart.
Yes. The thing is, I would argue that the "far left" isn't nearly as unhinged as the "far right". Progressives are looking for ways that will make things better for people, not to tear the whole thing down in a rage.
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Apr 26 2018, 06:01 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 05:55 PM
Sounds like the DCCC hasn't learned its lesson, yet.
I think they have. We have seen a much stronger focus on organizing at the local precinct level. The Dems realized they need a local organization.

But the fact is, the Party needs to support who they think can win. They may get it wrong but to do otherwise is a mistake and threatens the Party.
No, I don't think so. They should be letting the voters pick the primary winners, not the DCCC. Democrats put forward their "middle of the road" candidate for the Presidency, and got their butts handed to them. Frankly, they should be so embarrassed that they stop trying to precook the process because they really have no freaking clue who will win when it all comes down to it.
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Apr 26 2018, 06:02 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 05:55 PM
Sounds like the DCCC hasn't learned its lesson, yet.
The DCCC understands full well who is in the new Democratic Party, who their candidates are going to be, and what the program they will run on is. They know what the rank-and-file Democrats want, they just don't want to see them get it.

Their problem is the same as the one that the RNCC and guys like McConnell have with Trump and his base: they want the votes but the don't want to make the changes that the voters want. We are approaching a three-legged political system: the Republican right, the Democratic left, and the Establishment oligarchy. The real bang is going to come when the right and the left discover there are some programs on which they can agree despite the opposition of the billionaires. That will blow the existing congressional setup apart.
George, I'm surprised at you. The DCCC knows that to win elections they need to draw in independent voters. Alone, the base, particularly the progressive base, does not garner enough votes to win a general election. The same is true for the Rightie base on the Republican side.

The big unanswered question is how left will that block of independent voters go. Polling helps define that but even that leaves some questions unanswered.

So the DCCC backs primary candidates that polling and experience indicates would do well with that block in that location. What we have learned is all politics is local, that idea gave Trump the presidency.
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Apr 26 2018, 10:11 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 06:01 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 05:55 PM
Sounds like the DCCC hasn't learned its lesson, yet.
I think they have. We have seen a much stronger focus on organizing at the local precinct level. The Dems realized they need a local organization.

But the fact is, the Party needs to support who they think can win. They may get it wrong but to do otherwise is a mistake and threatens the Party.
No, I don't think so. They should be letting the voters pick the primary winners, not the DCCC. Democrats put forward their "middle of the road" candidate for the Presidency, and got their butts handed to them. Frankly, they should be so embarrassed that they stop trying to precook the process because they really have no freaking clue who will win when it all comes down to it.
What they learned is, as I just posted, that all politics is local. What draws in the independents in one area will drive them away in another. There is not one size Democrat that will win in all races.

As to primaries, they are the most dangerous election as the Republicans are finding out. It is very easy for a minority base to elect an absolute screwball in a primary and then the Party is stuck with them.
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Just lose and keep blaming Russia for not getting their votes.
We believe only what we want to believe.
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Apr 26 2018, 10:08 PM
George Aligator
Apr 26 2018, 06:02 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 05:55 PM
Sounds like the DCCC hasn't learned its lesson, yet.
The DCCC understands full well who is in the new Democratic Party, who their candidates are going to be, and what the program they will run on is. They know what the rank-and-file Democrats want, they just don't want to see them get it.

Their problem is the same as the one that the RNCC and guys like McConnell have with Trump and his base: they want the votes but the don't want to make the changes that the voters want. We are approaching a three-legged political system: the Republican right, the Democratic left, and the Establishment oligarchy. The real bang is going to come when the right and the left discover there are some programs on which they can agree despite the opposition of the billionaires. That will blow the existing congressional setup apart.
Yes. The thing is, I would argue that the "far left" isn't nearly as unhinged as the "far right". Progressives are looking for ways that will make things better for people, not to tear the whole thing down in a rage.
I think we have our share of screwballs that have no understanding how the world works and think their single-issue campaign is more important than anything else.
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Apr 26 2018, 10:24 PM
Just lose and keep blaming Russia for not getting their votes.
So you are trying to tell me that Russia's activities along with Comey's actions did not significantly impact that election?

I agree that Clinton was a flawed candidate who ran a flawed campaign. But she lost by 70,000 votes in three targeted districts. A swing in just one of those districts would have given her the Presidency. I do not think people understand just how close this election really was.
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Apr 26 2018, 10:23 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 10:11 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 06:01 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 05:55 PM
Sounds like the DCCC hasn't learned its lesson, yet.
I think they have. We have seen a much stronger focus on organizing at the local precinct level. The Dems realized they need a local organization.

But the fact is, the Party needs to support who they think can win. They may get it wrong but to do otherwise is a mistake and threatens the Party.
No, I don't think so. They should be letting the voters pick the primary winners, not the DCCC. Democrats put forward their "middle of the road" candidate for the Presidency, and got their butts handed to them. Frankly, they should be so embarrassed that they stop trying to precook the process because they really have no freaking clue who will win when it all comes down to it.
What they learned is, as I just posted, that all politics is local. What draws in the independents in one area will drive them away in another. There is not one size Democrat that will win in all races.

As to primaries, they are the most dangerous election as the Republicans are finding out. It is very easy for a minority base to elect an absolute screwball in a primary and then the Party is stuck with them.
And the DCCC has decided that anyone to the left of Hillary Clinton is an "absolute screw ball".

Their constituents don't agree.

If you want voter turn out for Democrats, then they have to give the voters candidates they feel strongly about supporting and not just "Not-Republicans".
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Apr 26 2018, 10:26 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 10:24 PM
Just lose and keep blaming Russia for not getting their votes.
So you are trying to tell me that Russia's activities along with Comey's actions did not significantly impact that election?

I agree that Clinton was a flawed candidate who ran a flawed campaign. But she lost by 70,000 votes in three targeted districts. A swing in just one of those districts would have given her the Presidency. I do not think people understand just how close this election really was.
I think it is impossible to know with any amount of certainty how much they impacted the election.
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Apr 27 2018, 05:48 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 10:26 PM
Eddo26
Apr 26 2018, 10:24 PM
Just lose and keep blaming Russia for not getting their votes.
So you are trying to tell me that Russia's activities along with Comey's actions did not significantly impact that election?

I agree that Clinton was a flawed candidate who ran a flawed campaign. But she lost by 70,000 votes in three targeted districts. A swing in just one of those districts would have given her the Presidency. I do not think people understand just how close this election really was.
I think it is impossible to know with any amount of certainty how much they impacted the election.
The Russian interference swung exactly six voters............ :biggrin:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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