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The Teachers’ Revolt Spreads to Arizona
Topic Started: Apr 28 2018, 09:28 AM (346 Views)
George Aligator
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On Thursday, a historic walkout by teachers and the support staff closed more than 1,000 public schools in Arizona. The state became the latest and the largest to be swept by a labor insurgency among underpaid educators that started in February in West Virginia, then spread to Oklahoma, Kentucky and, also on Thursday, Colorado. As Jason Riley, a conservative writer, noted with disapproval in The Wall Street Journal: “It isn’t just college campuses. The nation’s K-12 schools are also turning into hotbeds of political activism.”

The wildfire spread of the teachers’ movement — in parts of the country that are singularly hostile to organized labor — is one of the more surprising and exciting developments of this otherwise bleak political moment. Conservatives are right to worry: We’re seeing a citizens’ revolt against their policies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/opinion/teachers-arizona-walkout.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region
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George Aligator
Apr 28 2018, 09:28 AM
On Thursday, a historic walkout by teachers and the support staff closed more than 1,000 public schools in Arizona. The state became the latest and the largest to be swept by a labor insurgency among underpaid educators that started in February in West Virginia, then spread to Oklahoma, Kentucky and, also on Thursday, Colorado. As Jason Riley, a conservative writer, noted with disapproval in The Wall Street Journal: “It isn’t just college campuses. The nation’s K-12 schools are also turning into hotbeds of political activism.”

The wildfire spread of the teachers’ movement — in parts of the country that are singularly hostile to organized labor — is one of the more surprising and exciting developments of this otherwise bleak political moment. Conservatives are right to worry: We’re seeing a citizens’ revolt against their policies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/opinion/teachers-arizona-walkout.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region
These hotbeds of political activism may be in for the shock of their lives in Legislatures when irate parents voice their anger at overpaid babysitters abandoning their children at home alone....Teachers hate your children and love Mo' money.......... :dunno: ....
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I have zero sympathy for teachers. They are susceptible to supply and demand like the rest of us.
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estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:07 PM
I have zero sympathy for teachers. They are susceptible to supply and demand like the rest of us.
Teachers are contracted professionals they do not sell their services to the consumer. The consumer is required by law to attend school. I'm not surprised by your zero sympathy for teachers. They clearly failed you.
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George Aligator
Apr 28 2018, 07:14 PM
estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:07 PM
I have zero sympathy for teachers. They are susceptible to supply and demand like the rest of us.
Teachers are contracted professionals they do not sell their services to the consumer. The consumer is required by law to attend school. I'm not surprised by your zero sympathy for teachers. They clearly failed you.
Everyone received easily completed education degrees from cheap government subsidized loans - and now they're crying because hundreds can take their position in a NYC minute.

If you don't understand the economics and the irony of the situation George - the joke is on you.
Edited by estonianman, Apr 28 2018, 07:18 PM.
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estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:07 PM
I have zero sympathy for teachers. They are susceptible to supply and demand like the rest of us.
Teacher unions try to decrease the supply of teachers with their glorified "teacher certification" processes....
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estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:17 PM
George Aligator
Apr 28 2018, 07:14 PM
estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:07 PM
I have zero sympathy for teachers. They are susceptible to supply and demand like the rest of us.
Teachers are contracted professionals they do not sell their services to the consumer. The consumer is required by law to attend school. I'm not surprised by your zero sympathy for teachers. They clearly failed you.
Everyone received easily completed education degrees from cheap government subsidized loans - and now they're crying because hundreds can take their position in a NYC minute.

If you don't understand the economics and the irony of the situation George - the joke is on you.
The protesting teachers in AZ are not talking about people taking their positions. The protest is about salaries and school non-salary budgets. If you can read the OP you will find that the state is hiring people without education degrees because they can't get certified teachers to fill vacancies. There is no joke.
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George Aligator
Apr 28 2018, 07:39 PM
estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:17 PM
George Aligator
Apr 28 2018, 07:14 PM
estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:07 PM
I have zero sympathy for teachers. They are susceptible to supply and demand like the rest of us.
Teachers are contracted professionals they do not sell their services to the consumer. The consumer is required by law to attend school. I'm not surprised by your zero sympathy for teachers. They clearly failed you.
Everyone received easily completed education degrees from cheap government subsidized loans - and now they're crying because hundreds can take their position in a NYC minute.

If you don't understand the economics and the irony of the situation George - the joke is on you.
The protesting teachers in AZ are not talking about people taking their positions. The protest is about salaries and school non-salary budgets. If you can read the OP you will find that the state is hiring people without education degrees because they can't get certified teachers to fill vacancies. There is no joke.
You obviously have no clue how the basic market functions.

Everyone's sister is in liberal arts learning how to educate kiddos for the government - of course you need unions to subvert market forces.
Edited by estonianman, Apr 28 2018, 07:46 PM.
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Apr 28 2018, 07:38 PM
estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:07 PM
I have zero sympathy for teachers. They are susceptible to supply and demand like the rest of us.
Teacher unions try to decrease the supply of teachers with their glorified "teacher certification" processes....
Yes they absolutely do.

Its called barriers of entry and it is the primary of role of every government regulation - to maintain the cartels.

In this case - a labor market ....

Edited by estonianman, Apr 28 2018, 07:47 PM.
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George Aligator
Apr 28 2018, 07:39 PM
estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:17 PM
George Aligator
Apr 28 2018, 07:14 PM
estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:07 PM
I have zero sympathy for teachers. They are susceptible to supply and demand like the rest of us.
Teachers are contracted professionals they do not sell their services to the consumer. The consumer is required by law to attend school. I'm not surprised by your zero sympathy for teachers. They clearly failed you.
Everyone received easily completed education degrees from cheap government subsidized loans - and now they're crying because hundreds can take their position in a NYC minute.

If you don't understand the economics and the irony of the situation George - the joke is on you.
The protesting teachers in AZ are not talking about people taking their positions. The protest is about salaries and school non-salary budgets. If you can read the OP you will find that the state is hiring people without education degrees because they can't get certified teachers to fill vacancies. There is no joke.
Most certified teachers with an education degree are incapable of teaching calculus in High School...Even basic algebra is Greek to some of them........ :oyvey
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Teachers will hopefully soon be replaced by intelligent interactive software. Software doesn't go on strike or seduce students.
"No. No he won't. We'll stop it."
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Apr 28 2018, 08:11 PM
Teachers will hopefully soon be replaced by intelligent interactive software. Software doesn't go on strike or seduce students.
Software doesn't deal with a kids special needs for the day or with trouble children. Software doesn't buy supplies for the classroom with their own money, or food for a hungry student, or a notebook for a needy kid. Software doesn't monitor lunchrooms or a schools playground.


Software is not human. It can instruct. It cannot teach.



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Apr 28 2018, 10:26 PM
PATruth
Apr 28 2018, 08:11 PM
Teachers will hopefully soon be replaced by intelligent interactive software. Software doesn't go on strike or seduce students.
Software doesn't deal with a kids special needs for the day or with trouble children. Software doesn't buy supplies for the classroom with their own money, or food for a hungry student, or a notebook for a needy kid. Software doesn't monitor lunchrooms or a schools playground.


Software is not human. It can instruct. It cannot teach.



Government designed systems are antiquated and will get torn down.

Deal with it.
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estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 11:34 PM
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Apr 28 2018, 10:26 PM
PATruth
Apr 28 2018, 08:11 PM
Teachers will hopefully soon be replaced by intelligent interactive software. Software doesn't go on strike or seduce students.
Software doesn't deal with a kids special needs for the day or with trouble children. Software doesn't buy supplies for the classroom with their own money, or food for a hungry student, or a notebook for a needy kid. Software doesn't monitor lunchrooms or a schools playground.


Software is not human. It can instruct. It cannot teach.



Government designed systems are antiquated and will get torn down.

Deal with it.
Teaching children, adult to child will never grow antiquated.

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Apr 29 2018, 01:09 AM
estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 11:34 PM
Coast2coast
Apr 28 2018, 10:26 PM
PATruth
Apr 28 2018, 08:11 PM
Teachers will hopefully soon be replaced by intelligent interactive software. Software doesn't go on strike or seduce students.
Software doesn't deal with a kids special needs for the day or with trouble children. Software doesn't buy supplies for the classroom with their own money, or food for a hungry student, or a notebook for a needy kid. Software doesn't monitor lunchrooms or a schools playground.


Software is not human. It can instruct. It cannot teach.



Government designed systems are antiquated and will get torn down.

Deal with it.
Teaching children, adult to child will never grow antiquated.

I said government - not adult.
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estonianman
Apr 29 2018, 02:12 AM
Coast2coast
Apr 29 2018, 01:09 AM
estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 11:34 PM
Coast2coast
Apr 28 2018, 10:26 PM
PATruth
Apr 28 2018, 08:11 PM
Teachers will hopefully soon be replaced by intelligent interactive software. Software doesn't go on strike or seduce students.
Software doesn't deal with a kids special needs for the day or with trouble children. Software doesn't buy supplies for the classroom with their own money, or food for a hungry student, or a notebook for a needy kid. Software doesn't monitor lunchrooms or a schools playground.


Software is not human. It can instruct. It cannot teach.



Government designed systems are antiquated and will get torn down.

Deal with it.
Teaching children, adult to child will never grow antiquated.

I said government - not adult.
The quickest way for teachers to lose any sympathy....Is to burden working people who get paid less with having to look after their children when they should be at work.... :oyvey
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estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:07 PM
I have zero sympathy for teachers. They are susceptible to supply and demand like the rest of us.
As far as teachers being part of the established system which is the root of the problem, I totally agree with you.
The real leftists are the silenced majority, the sleeping giant.
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Apr 29 2018, 02:30 AM
estonianman
Apr 28 2018, 07:07 PM
I have zero sympathy for teachers. They are susceptible to supply and demand like the rest of us.
As far as teachers being part of the established system which is the root of the problem, I totally agree with you.
"the established system which is the root of the problem"

Agree....But....Breaking up this established system has to be done from the inside....With a little help from the voters....And will never be done by politicians....

That's the real conundrum....
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Apr 29 2018, 02:45 AM
.Breaking up this established system has to be done from the inside....With a little help from the voters....And will never be done by politicians....

That's the real conundrum....
You mean people like truckers, teachers, electricians and war veterans.

Start our own TV show maybe ?
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Oh yeah --Al Gore tried that
and then sold his network to Aljazeera
for some reason .
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