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| ‘Sprint and T-Mobile agree to merge, in bid to remake wireless market’ | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 30 2018, 01:00 AM (136 Views) | |
| Colors Plus | Apr 30 2018, 01:00 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2018/04/29/sprint-and-mobile-agree-merge-bid-remake-wireless-market/c8ODYYkWbjvBVdO9RsubSP/amp.html |
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| Robert Stout | Apr 30 2018, 01:37 AM Post #2 |
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Two losers does not make a winner............
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| PATruth | Apr 30 2018, 08:49 AM Post #3 |
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They don't want to "remake wireless", they want to achieve economies of scale, reduce redundant overhead costs and increase shareholder equity. I'm OK with it. At least they didn't claim they were doing it for the children. Some lies are better than others. |
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"No. No he won't. We'll stop it." | |
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| Tsalagi | Apr 30 2018, 08:52 AM Post #4 |
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There is a reason why my second favorite President is Teddy Roosevelt...I'm against it, Teddy would have broken up a half a dozen or more Corporations and/or Banks by now as monopolies. There should never be anything that is "too big to fail" |
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| Harambe4Trump | Apr 30 2018, 08:56 AM Post #5 |
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There’s still going to be Verizon & AT&T. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| PATruth | Apr 30 2018, 08:57 AM Post #6 |
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Certain industries by their nature, autos, telecom, pharmaceuticals.. have to be extremely large to compete. As for "too big to fail" does that include federal, state and local governments? Looking at IL and Chicago they are pretty close to failing. Guess who's going to bail them out? Edited by PATruth, Apr 30 2018, 08:58 AM.
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"No. No he won't. We'll stop it." | |
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| Drudge X | Apr 30 2018, 09:02 AM Post #7 |
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Sorry Stout, in this case, this merger is cutting a deeper wound in AT&T and Verizon. T-Mobile has been chipping away both companies market share. AT&T and Verizon television service are losing customers by the quarter along with Comcast taking the biggest hit. Executives have no answer. If T-Mobile can deliver streaming television service over WiFi, it will really shake up the telecom industry. |
| Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind. | |
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| Drudge X | Apr 30 2018, 09:05 AM Post #8 |
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Those two companies "remerging" were the biggest mistakes by the FCC. Oh yes, add Comcast to the list. |
| Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind. | |
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| Tsalagi | Apr 30 2018, 09:50 AM Post #9 |
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DIdn't you just chastise me bout going off topic on one of your threads....pot..meet kettle...IF your product is good..you don't have to be huge....I'm sorry...look at the historical moment with the Tucker...today, I believe 99% of those 47 cars he made are still drivable. Large is one thing, monstrously overwhelming, not....break em up I say, just like AT&T. |
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| PATruth | Apr 30 2018, 09:58 AM Post #10 |
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Again, you can't be a mom & pop auto maker, telecom company..ect... those are multi-billion dollar business or you can't compete, that's what this thread is about. The only question about this merger is anti-trust ramifications and I don't see that as an issue. Achieving economies of scale and market share are also MANDATORY to compete. Your comment about "too big to fail" was off topic as well, it had nothing to do with the Sprint & T-Mobile merger. I find it hypocritical people some talk about too big to fail then ignore a government that owes 50+ trillion in unfunded liabilities? |
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| Demagogue | Apr 30 2018, 10:05 AM Post #11 |
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This merger has been something that was going to happen about six different times now. Finally it looks like the pulled the trigger assuming that the US government allows the merger. This will create a company that is just slightly smaller (in subscribers) than ATT. These two companies currently operate on different tech so there will be some merging pains. Fortunately, LTE is easier to be cross platform with than older 2g tech was. My guess is that once they get approval from the feds Sprint will cease selling phones that are not also compatible with GSM. Most modern flagship phones have the antenna to operate on either GSM or CDMA and they simply turn off the antenna that is not part of the network in question. I say that Sprint will do this because I am certain that in the end this company will be a GSM service because of the global nature of T-Mobile as a company. Sprint owns a great deal of bandwidth in the higher frequencies that will probably be home to 5G. Honestly, if it were not for that bandwidth I don't know why T-Mobile would want to merge with Sprint. It will be interesting going forward to see how this plays out. |
| People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm. | |
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| Colors Plus | Apr 30 2018, 11:12 AM Post #12 |
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The U.S.’s four traditional mobile carriers and their networks: • AT&T—GSM • Sprint—CDMA • T–Mobile—GSM • Verizon—CDMA Perhaps Demagogue may think they will all go GSM. I have come across, at other sites (about telecommunications and electronics) whose members have speculated that that will happen. A benefit for the merge, as others have discussed elsewhere, is on acquiring spectrum. That is, what spectrum that is Sprint’s which which would be beneficial for T–Mobile. And what Sprint needs from T–Mobile is that growth in customers. Sprint has been on a downward trajectory for a number of years. T–Mobile has experienced the opposite. Edited by Colors Plus, Apr 30 2018, 11:17 AM.
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| Demagogue | Apr 30 2018, 12:07 PM Post #13 |
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About the CDMA v GSM thing: It matters now, it may not matter in 10 years or even 5 years. My understanding (and this is a very limited understanding because I have not researched fully some of the things I have read on this) is that LTE tech in the USA is all GSM based even if the carrier uses CDMA. CDMA simply can not achieve LTE data speeds much less 5G. So why do we still talk about CDMA and why does it matter? The answer to that applies more to Sprint than it does to Verizon but in some rural areas it still even applies to the big dog. Whenever LTE is available your phone will be on LTE for both data and talk. Both Verizon and Sprint though (especially Sprint) suffer from coverage gaps in their LTE network and when this happens the phones drop down to 3g or even 2g connections. For both Verizon and Sprint this is a gigantic drop in data speed (from greater than 60Mbps to less than 2Mbps) but cellular phone services will still work fine. Verizon's old "Can your hear me now" commercials were all about how universal their CDMA cellular telephone network was and data had almost nothing to do with that. As things currently stand, Verizon covers more of the country than any carrier for voice only cellular. The coverage is so good that it is almost universal. Their LTE network on the other hand is not as universal. 3G on a GSM network is not as giant a drop off as it is on CDMA. T-Mobile in particular was using their non-LTE network at speeds that were normally affiliated with LTE. In some areas they cold even see over 30Mbps using 3G but the average was closer to 10Mbps. So when you are on AT&T or T-Mobile and leave an LTE coverage area you don't see that gigantic drop in data speed. The drop is from the 60Mbps range down to the 10Mbps range. This is due to the fact that CDMA tech has a ceiling of a little over 2Mbps for data. It simply can not transfer the data any faster. Due to this low ceiling, Verizon has been actively moving towards the day where they simply no longer offer service over their CDMA network. This is legacy tech and while it would be nice to keep everything working it is not cost effective to do so. At one point I read that Verizon was shooting for 2020 as an obsolescence date for CDMA. If that is true, then it may explain some of Sprint's motivation to merge with T-mobile. As things currently stand, when you leave a Sprint coverage area and your phone is "roaming" what that means is that you are on the Verizon CMDA network. That is why the telephone part of your Sprint phone works well while roaming but the data is usually horrid or nonexistent. Sprint phones roam a lot. As in, the entire state of Alabama if you are more than 3 miles from an interstate is roaming for Sprint. I know from personal experience that Bama is a bad area for Sprint but there are plenty of others. Sprint is great if you are in a large metro area or near a major highway but it is garbage in the sticks and roaming on Verizon is the only thing that saves them. If Verizon plans to kill its CDMA tower antennas in the 2020 timeframe then that would seriously harm Sprint's overall coverage for cellular service. So, in the near future Verizon is going to be LTE or better only. AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint will be LTE also but could conceivably keep their GSM "3G" bands available for a few years without people complaining like they do today when a Verizon or Sprint phone drops from LTE. I am actually quite curious how Sprint will handle this. When they switched all of the Nextel folks to Sprint frequencies they made good offers on new phones because the tech of the two companies was totally incompatible. Basically, the Nextel phones worked for a few years after the merge but I think the drop dead day was about 4 years later. Since the modern "Flagship" phones all have antenna for GSM or CDMA it is possible that they could push out a software update to all of the recent generation iPhones or Galaxy S phones and they would all magically become T-Mobile GSM phones. Sprint does offer some phones though that are made just for them. I suspect those might have to be replaced. My guess is that if you are a Sprint customer you will have about a year after they finalize this deal to get a phone that is capable of operating on GSM. They will probably make it worth your while if you don't have one because odds are, if you don't have one, you are already out of your contract period with them. As I said, it will be interesting to see where this goes if it is permitted by the Feds. Edited by Demagogue, Apr 30 2018, 12:08 PM.
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| Demagogue | Apr 30 2018, 12:22 PM Post #14 |
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Here is a video from the CEOs https://youtu.be/1nsbmtwMrgY Edited by Demagogue, Apr 30 2018, 12:23 PM.
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