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South Korea president says Trump deserves Nobel Peace Prize
Topic Started: Apr 30 2018, 09:37 PM (332 Views)
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May 3 2018, 09:48 PM
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If 'rump winds up with the Nobel, then it really has gone to s**t as a meaningful award.

Agree. He should destabilize the Koreas like Obama f***ed Libya after receiving the prize.
Libya effed itself seeing as it had Gaddafi as a leader.
So removing Saddam Hussein was the right course of action?
Not particularly.
Removing Gaddafi was the right course of action even though Libya is now a lawless country ruled by multiple factions?
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Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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May 4 2018, 04:25 PM
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May 4 2018, 04:13 PM
Trump lusts for that NPP. It tickles his ego and would give him a real image boost as Congress heads into the fall elections. Both Koreas know this. Whatever the deal is that the two governments are working on together, the USA will be powerfully motivated to play its role. Trump has been set up by the Koreans with masterful skill and subtlety.
What deal do you see North and South Korea coming up with that will actually eliminate NK's nuclear program? I can't see reunification as a possibility, given that SK isn't going to want Kim Jong Un as their leader, and there is no way Kim will abdicate from his leadership of NK.

At best I can see the possibility of reducing tensions, perhaps demilitarizing the border to some degree, and perhaps reopening some trade between the two countries. But I don't see SK wanting the U.S. to pull out of SK, nor NK being willing to give up its nuclear weapons, not after they've worked so hard to get them.
I see the obstacles pretty much the same way you ^^^ do. It is possible that PRNK would "denuclearize" the way the US understands the term but unlikely. I agree that political unification is also hard to imagine. Confederation and cooperation are real possibilities. The median income in PRNK is about $1,700 while in SK it is about $34,000. There is tremendous potential there for both countries. The ethnic ties are strong and the desire for closeness is great. The big part of the challenge is the neighbors: China, Russia, and the USA are all nuclear nations and Japan is an economic dragon. The Korean people face some real challenges.For many of them, family reunification and cultural interchange are real goals. I think many Koreans look at the possibilities from a distinctly Korean perspective. The USA may be a useful idiot.
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Trump lusts for that NPP. It tickles his ego and would give him a real image boost as Congress heads into the fall elections. Both Koreas know this. Whatever the deal is that the two governments are working on together, the USA will be powerfully motivated to play its role. Trump has been set up by the Koreans with masterful skill and subtlety.
What deal do you see North and South Korea coming up with that will actually eliminate NK's nuclear program? I can't see reunification as a possibility, given that SK isn't going to want Kim Jong Un as their leader, and there is no way Kim will abdicate from his leadership of NK.

At best I can see the possibility of reducing tensions, perhaps demilitarizing the border to some degree, and perhaps reopening some trade between the two countries. But I don't see SK wanting the U.S. to pull out of SK, nor NK being willing to give up its nuclear weapons, not after they've worked so hard to get them.
I see the obstacles pretty much the same way you ^^^ do. It is possible that PRNK would "denuclearize" the way the US understands the term but unlikely. I agree that political unification is also hard to imagine. Confederation and cooperation are real possibilities. The median income in PRNK is about $1,700 while in SK it is about $34,000. There is tremendous potential there for both countries. The ethnic ties are strong and the desire for closeness is great. The big part of the challenge is the neighbors: China, Russia, and the USA are all nuclear nations and Japan is an economic dragon. The Korean people face some real challenges.For many of them, family reunification and cultural interchange are real goals. I think many Koreans look at the possibilities from a distinctly Korean perspective. The USA may be a useful idiot.
The thing is, neither SK nor NK can really count on the U.S. giving its word on anything and expecting that will be adhered to without question or equivocation. Trump has just proved that there is no deal that the U.S. can't back away from or negate, if the current President decides that's what he wants to do. Just the fact that he's talking about pulling out of the Iran deal when there is no indication that Iran is violating the deal, for example, pretty much drives home that point.
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Trump lusts for that NPP. It tickles his ego and would give him a real image boost as Congress heads into the fall elections. Both Koreas know this. Whatever the deal is that the two governments are working on together, the USA will be powerfully motivated to play its role. Trump has been set up by the Koreans with masterful skill and subtlety.
What deal do you see North and South Korea coming up with that will actually eliminate NK's nuclear program? I can't see reunification as a possibility, given that SK isn't going to want Kim Jong Un as their leader, and there is no way Kim will abdicate from his leadership of NK.

At best I can see the possibility of reducing tensions, perhaps demilitarizing the border to some degree, and perhaps reopening some trade between the two countries. But I don't see SK wanting the U.S. to pull out of SK, nor NK being willing to give up its nuclear weapons, not after they've worked so hard to get them.
I see the obstacles pretty much the same way you ^^^ do. It is possible that PRNK would "denuclearize" the way the US understands the term but unlikely. I agree that political unification is also hard to imagine. Confederation and cooperation are real possibilities. The median income in PRNK is about $1,700 while in SK it is about $34,000. There is tremendous potential there for both countries. The ethnic ties are strong and the desire for closeness is great. The big part of the challenge is the neighbors: China, Russia, and the USA are all nuclear nations and Japan is an economic dragon. The Korean people face some real challenges.For many of them, family reunification and cultural interchange are real goals. I think many Koreans look at the possibilities from a distinctly Korean perspective. The USA may be a useful idiot.
The thing is, neither SK nor NK can really count on the U.S. giving its word on anything and expecting that will be adhered to without question or equivocation. Trump has just proved that there is no deal that the U.S. can't back away from or negate, if the current President decides that's what he wants to do. Just the fact that he's talking about pulling out of the Iran deal when there is no indication that Iran is violating the deal, for example, pretty much drives home that point.
A formal treaty ratified by the US Senate would give Koreans the guarantee that they would rightly expect, given the volatility that Trump has shown.
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May 4 2018, 05:48 PM
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May 4 2018, 05:16 PM
George Aligator
May 4 2018, 04:53 PM
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May 4 2018, 04:25 PM
George Aligator
May 4 2018, 04:13 PM
Trump lusts for that NPP. It tickles his ego and would give him a real image boost as Congress heads into the fall elections. Both Koreas know this. Whatever the deal is that the two governments are working on together, the USA will be powerfully motivated to play its role. Trump has been set up by the Koreans with masterful skill and subtlety.
What deal do you see North and South Korea coming up with that will actually eliminate NK's nuclear program? I can't see reunification as a possibility, given that SK isn't going to want Kim Jong Un as their leader, and there is no way Kim will abdicate from his leadership of NK.

At best I can see the possibility of reducing tensions, perhaps demilitarizing the border to some degree, and perhaps reopening some trade between the two countries. But I don't see SK wanting the U.S. to pull out of SK, nor NK being willing to give up its nuclear weapons, not after they've worked so hard to get them.
I see the obstacles pretty much the same way you ^^^ do. It is possible that PRNK would "denuclearize" the way the US understands the term but unlikely. I agree that political unification is also hard to imagine. Confederation and cooperation are real possibilities. The median income in PRNK is about $1,700 while in SK it is about $34,000. There is tremendous potential there for both countries. The ethnic ties are strong and the desire for closeness is great. The big part of the challenge is the neighbors: China, Russia, and the USA are all nuclear nations and Japan is an economic dragon. The Korean people face some real challenges.For many of them, family reunification and cultural interchange are real goals. I think many Koreans look at the possibilities from a distinctly Korean perspective. The USA may be a useful idiot.
The thing is, neither SK nor NK can really count on the U.S. giving its word on anything and expecting that will be adhered to without question or equivocation. Trump has just proved that there is no deal that the U.S. can't back away from or negate, if the current President decides that's what he wants to do. Just the fact that he's talking about pulling out of the Iran deal when there is no indication that Iran is violating the deal, for example, pretty much drives home that point.
A formal treaty ratified by the US Senate would give Koreans the guarantee that they would rightly expect, given the volatility that Trump has shown.
A peace treaty ending the Korean War is the most that North Korea will give in return for the USA removing all our troops and bases from South Korea...Only elderly Koreans want unification............... :dunno:
Edited by Robert Stout, May 4 2018, 06:07 PM.
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