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This Is Why People Are Through With You
Topic Started: May 5 2018, 10:26 AM (290 Views)
Old Trapper

There can be no doubt that the Christian faith as established by Christ, and His Apostles, is dead. Question will be can it be revived.

White Evangelicals, This is Why People Are Through With You
January 24, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

Dear White Evangelicals,

I need to tell you something: People have had it with you.

They’re done.

They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why:

They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.

For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity.

They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence. They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him.

And through it all, White Evangelicals—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was,
you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family,
you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities,
you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance,
you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy,
your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership,
your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him,
you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.

You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim as the heart of your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.

And yet today, you openly give a “mulligan” to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.

And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold: a being born again.

With him, you suddenly find religion.
With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution.
With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission.
With him you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart.
With him, sin has become unimportant, compassion no longer a requirement.
With him, you see only Providence.

And White Evangelicals, all those people who have had it with you—they see it all clearly.

They recognize the toxic source of your inconsistency.

They see that pigmentation and party are your sole deities.
They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus.
They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself.
They see that all you’re really interested in doing, is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it.
They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus—not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.

And I know you don’t realize it, but you’re digging your own grave in these days; the grave of your very faith tradition.

Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more.

You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness.
You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation.
You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness.
You’ve lost the plot.
And most of all you’ve lost your soul.

I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you.

But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do.

Maybe you need to read what he said again—if he still matters to you.
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Religion is trending into irrelevance.

Settle down.
SOCIALISM = COMMUNISM = FASCISM VS LIBERTY
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estonianman
May 5 2018, 04:58 PM
Religion is trending into irrelevance.

Settle down.
I think that is what I said, however, TY for verifying that the alternative cannot reason with reality.
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Old Trapper
May 5 2018, 10:26 AM
There can be no doubt that the Christian faith as established by Christ, and His Apostles, is dead. Question will be can it be revived.

White Evangelicals, This is Why People Are Through With You
January 24, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

Dear White Evangelicals,

I need to tell you something: People have had it with you.

They’re done.

They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why:

They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.

For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity.

They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence. They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him.

And through it all, White Evangelicals—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was,
you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family,
you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities,
you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance,
you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy,
your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership,
your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him,
you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.

You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim as the heart of your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.

And yet today, you openly give a “mulligan” to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.

And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold: a being born again.

With him, you suddenly find religion.
With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution.
With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission.
With him you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart.
With him, sin has become unimportant, compassion no longer a requirement.
With him, you see only Providence.

And White Evangelicals, all those people who have had it with you—they see it all clearly.

They recognize the toxic source of your inconsistency.

They see that pigmentation and party are your sole deities.
They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus.
They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself.
They see that all you’re really interested in doing, is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it.
They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus—not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.

And I know you don’t realize it, but you’re digging your own grave in these days; the grave of your very faith tradition.

Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more.

You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness.
You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation.
You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness.
You’ve lost the plot.
And most of all you’ve lost your soul.

I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you.

But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do.

Maybe you need to read what he said again—if he still matters to you.
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He's talking bout their political influence and the lack of display for their dogma in the pursuit of power and political influence in my opinion, but what do I know...I'm a pagan.
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Tsalagi
May 6 2018, 12:07 PM
He's talking bout their political influence and the lack of display for their dogma in the pursuit of power and political influence in my opinion, but what do I know...I'm a pagan.
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Not "atheist or pagan " though....just spiritual.
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Religious leaders and liberal politicians are basically the same, both are scammers. Religious leaders are peddling forgiveness and eternal bliss while liberals are peddling free healthcare, free food, free housing and a life of leisure. We know for a fact the liberal's promises are nothing more than self serving lies intended to steal people's money and I'm fairly certain there is no Heaven. Both create a near cult like environment, both want your money and neither come with a guarantee. The ultimate scammer is a religious political activist like Al Sharpton.
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May 7 2018, 09:44 AM
Religious leaders and liberal politicians are basically the same, both are scammers. Religious leaders are peddling forgiveness and eternal bliss while liberals are peddling free healthcare, free food, free housing and a life of leisure. We know for a fact the liberal's promises are nothing more than self serving lies intended to steal people's money and I'm fairly certain there is no Heaven. Both create a near cult like environment, both want your money and neither come with a guarantee. The ultimate scammer is a religious political activist like Al Sharpton.
Actually I would have called the Reverend Falwell beat out Sharpton by a huge margin in terms of financial and political affect.
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PATruth
May 7 2018, 09:44 AM
Religious leaders and liberal politicians are basically the same, both are scammers. Religious leaders are peddling forgiveness and eternal bliss while liberals are peddling free healthcare, free food, free housing and a life of leisure. We know for a fact the liberal's promises are nothing more than self serving lies intended to steal people's money and I'm fairly certain there is no Heaven. Both create a near cult like environment, both want your money and neither come with a guarantee. The ultimate scammer is a religious political activist like Al Sharpton.
Atheists, secularists, Republicans, are all the same. They preach no moral values, no truth, inflation for the poor and a life of leisure for the wealthy, and the list goes on. As to the rest of your bull s**t, the same can be said about the repugnant ones you support.
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The racism of white Evangelicals goes way, way back. Judaism is a racist religion on a par with the Nazi Third Reich. The Jews believe they are the chose people of God. God ordered them to invade Palestine and commit genocide on the Palestinians living there. The 1967 War is but an echo of the Book of Joshua. Read the Bible and see for yourself.

Christianity never had any moral issue with race-based slavery until the 20th century. Christians practiced Jim Crow apartheid without a qualm. What is more Christianity is hostile to democracy. The Biblical model is kingship. Jesus is the Lord, not the president. Pastors rule their congregations like shepherds herding sheep. The pope is a divine right king like Louis XIV.

White Evangelicals shuffle along this ancient path of racism, genocide and flocks of sheep. They are just a little behind the times, that's all.
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May 7 2018, 05:16 PM
The racism of white Evangelicals goes way, way back. Judaism is a racist religion on a par with the Nazi Third Reich. The Jews believe they are the chose people of God. God ordered them to invade Palestine and commit genocide on the Palestinians living there. The 1967 War is but an echo of the Book of Joshua. Read the Bible and see for yourself.

Christianity never had any moral issue with race-based slavery until the 20th century. Christians practiced Jim Crow apartheid without a qualm. What is more Christianity is hostile to democracy. The Biblical model is kingship. Jesus is the Lord, not the president. Pastors rule their congregations like shepherds herding sheep. The pope is a divine right king like Louis XIV.

White Evangelicals shuffle along this ancient path of racism, genocide and flocks of sheep. They are just a little behind the times, that's all.
The same psychological predispositions that attract people to the religious right, also attract people to someone like Trump.

Jonathan Haidt's book "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion" was written before Trump ran for office, but explains this perfectly, I believe.

Liberal tend to fail to realize that for certain groups of people, attitudes toward loyalty, authority, and sanctity are a bigger factor than shared values or agreement on issues.
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May 8 2018, 09:47 AM
George Aligator
May 7 2018, 05:16 PM
The racism of white Evangelicals goes way, way back. Judaism is a racist religion on a par with the Nazi Third Reich. The Jews believe they are the chose people of God. God ordered them to invade Palestine and commit genocide on the Palestinians living there. The 1967 War is but an echo of the Book of Joshua. Read the Bible and see for yourself.

Christianity never had any moral issue with race-based slavery until the 20th century. Christians practiced Jim Crow apartheid without a qualm. What is more Christianity is hostile to democracy. The Biblical model is kingship. Jesus is the Lord, not the president. Pastors rule their congregations like shepherds herding sheep. The pope is a divine right king like Louis XIV.

White Evangelicals shuffle along this ancient path of racism, genocide and flocks of sheep. They are just a little behind the times, that's all.
The same psychological predispositions that attract people to the religious right, also attract people to someone like Trump.

Jonathan Haidt's book "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion" was written before Trump ran for office, but explains this perfectly, I believe.

Liberal tend to fail to realize that for certain groups of people, attitudes toward loyalty, authority, and sanctity are a bigger factor than shared values or agreement on issues.
We realize it, we just fail to really understand it. And lack the tools to communicate with such people in a way that is convincing to them.
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I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat
thoughtless
May 8 2018, 09:47 AM
George Aligator
May 7 2018, 05:16 PM
The racism of white Evangelicals goes way, way back. Judaism is a racist religion on a par with the Nazi Third Reich. The Jews believe they are the chose people of God. God ordered them to invade Palestine and commit genocide on the Palestinians living there. The 1967 War is but an echo of the Book of Joshua. Read the Bible and see for yourself.

Christianity never had any moral issue with race-based slavery until the 20th century. Christians practiced Jim Crow apartheid without a qualm. What is more Christianity is hostile to democracy. The Biblical model is kingship. Jesus is the Lord, not the president. Pastors rule their congregations like shepherds herding sheep. The pope is a divine right king like Louis XIV.

White Evangelicals shuffle along this ancient path of racism, genocide and flocks of sheep. They are just a little behind the times, that's all.
The same psychological predispositions that attract people to the religious right, also attract people to someone like Trump.

Jonathan Haidt's book "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion" was written before Trump ran for office, but explains this perfectly, I believe.

Liberal tend to fail to realize that for certain groups of people, attitudes toward loyalty, authority, and sanctity are a bigger factor than shared values or agreement on issues.
Oh, the hoity toity book reader, that quotes chapter and verse from someone elses thoughts!!! How amuzing!!!
Endeavor to Persevere!!!
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Evangelical Christianity in America is a massive grift.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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May 15 2018, 05:56 PM
thoughtless
May 8 2018, 09:47 AM
George Aligator
May 7 2018, 05:16 PM
The racism of white Evangelicals goes way, way back. Judaism is a racist religion on a par with the Nazi Third Reich. The Jews believe they are the chose people of God. God ordered them to invade Palestine and commit genocide on the Palestinians living there. The 1967 War is but an echo of the Book of Joshua. Read the Bible and see for yourself.

Christianity never had any moral issue with race-based slavery until the 20th century. Christians practiced Jim Crow apartheid without a qualm. What is more Christianity is hostile to democracy. The Biblical model is kingship. Jesus is the Lord, not the president. Pastors rule their congregations like shepherds herding sheep. The pope is a divine right king like Louis XIV.

White Evangelicals shuffle along this ancient path of racism, genocide and flocks of sheep. They are just a little behind the times, that's all.
The same psychological predispositions that attract people to the religious right, also attract people to someone like Trump.

Jonathan Haidt's book "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion" was written before Trump ran for office, but explains this perfectly, I believe.

Liberal tend to fail to realize that for certain groups of people, attitudes toward loyalty, authority, and sanctity are a bigger factor than shared values or agreement on issues.
Oh, the hoity toity book reader, that quotes chapter and verse from someone elses thoughts!!! How amuzing!!!
Yeah because who needs all that reading and education paying off by being able to analyze the writer's thoughts?
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I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat
Tsalagi
May 15 2018, 08:05 PM
grannyhawkins
May 15 2018, 05:56 PM
thoughtless
May 8 2018, 09:47 AM
George Aligator
May 7 2018, 05:16 PM
The racism of white Evangelicals goes way, way back. Judaism is a racist religion on a par with the Nazi Third Reich. The Jews believe they are the chose people of God. God ordered them to invade Palestine and commit genocide on the Palestinians living there. The 1967 War is but an echo of the Book of Joshua. Read the Bible and see for yourself.

Christianity never had any moral issue with race-based slavery until the 20th century. Christians practiced Jim Crow apartheid without a qualm. What is more Christianity is hostile to democracy. The Biblical model is kingship. Jesus is the Lord, not the president. Pastors rule their congregations like shepherds herding sheep. The pope is a divine right king like Louis XIV.

White Evangelicals shuffle along this ancient path of racism, genocide and flocks of sheep. They are just a little behind the times, that's all.
The same psychological predispositions that attract people to the religious right, also attract people to someone like Trump.

Jonathan Haidt's book "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion" was written before Trump ran for office, but explains this perfectly, I believe.

Liberal tend to fail to realize that for certain groups of people, attitudes toward loyalty, authority, and sanctity are a bigger factor than shared values or agreement on issues.
Oh, the hoity toity book reader, that quotes chapter and verse from someone elses thoughts!!! How amuzing!!!
Yeah because who needs all that reading and education paying off by being able to analyze the writer's thoughts?
I don't think it was clear whose an what thoughts were supposedly bein analyzed!!!

Just because you've been published, don't make it so!!!

Endeavor to Persevere!!!
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