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| Judge’s Warning in Manafort Case Could Spell Doom for Mueller | |
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| dcbl | May 6 2018, 06:50 AM Post #1 |
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Judge’s Warning in Manafort Case Could Spell Doom for Mueller One week after a Senate committee approved a bill to protect the special counsel from being fired by the president, both of Robert Mueller’s high-profile cases appear to be in legal jeopardy. On Friday morning, a federal judge accused Mueller’s team of weaponizing its prosecutorial authority in an effort to take down Donald Trump. U.S. District Judge T. S. Ellis III suggested the special counsel’s case against Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, is “about what information Mr. Manafort can give you to lead you to Mr. Trump and an impeachment. President Trump’s prosecution or impeachment—that’s what you’re really after.” ABC News reported that Ellis, a 30-year veteran of the federal bench, repeatedly criticized the 18-count indictment against Manafort for bank fraud and tax evasion as being unrelated to Mueller’s initial directive, which was to investigate alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government before the 2016 presidential election. Ellis pointed out that “the allegations clearly pre-date the appointment of the special counsel. None of it had any relation to the campaign.” He ascribed ulterior motives to Mueller’s investigation: “You get somebody in a conspiracy and then you tighten the screws. I’ve been here awhile, the vernacular is ‘to sing.’” |
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| RaiderNation | May 6 2018, 07:07 AM Post #2 |
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Yeah, the only problem here is that Mueller was/is specifically authorized to investigate any other crimes he discovers in the course of his investigation, this judge's 'opinion' not withstanding:![]() Edited by RaiderNation, May 6 2018, 07:08 AM.
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| Will Munny: "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it..." | |
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| ringotuna | May 6 2018, 07:35 AM Post #3 |
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28 CFR § 600.4 Jurisdiction. (a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted. (b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere. (c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General. |
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| W A Mozart | May 6 2018, 09:06 AM Post #4 |
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Let's start from the opening statement, ... "..., and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian governments effort to interfere in the 2016 presidential elections, ...." So, Hillary Clinton paid a US law firm over 12 million dollars for a British guy to go to Russia (pause here.... ) and obtain some dirt from Russian operatives (pause here... ), who were no doubt associated with Vladimir Putin (pause here.... ), on one Donald Trump. Er, why isn't Hillary in jail, like, ....now? Mozart |
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| BuckFan | May 6 2018, 09:33 AM Post #5 |
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Why would she be? It seems that most of the sources were not "operatives" but Russian government officials that had information on Trump. But gathering information is not collusion or illegal. Now, if you can show that the Clinton campaign actively worked with the Russians to help her campaign you might be on to something. However that only appears to be the case for the Trump campaign. |
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| RaiderNation | May 6 2018, 09:47 AM Post #6 |
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Err ... why don't you address the topic instead of trying to derail it with your HDS? |
| Will Munny: "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it..." | |
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| 70-101 | May 6 2018, 09:52 AM Post #7 |
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The right-wing has been reduced to praying sympathetic judges ignore their constitutional responsibilities to further the GOP anti-law enforcement agenda. Sorry, better luck subverting the Constitution some other time. |
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| estonianman | May 6 2018, 11:21 AM Post #8 |
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So the Democrats position is that Mueller is above the law - and his removal by legal means is unconstitutional? What part of the constitution specifically 70 - please link the exact text. |
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| peewee | May 6 2018, 11:26 AM Post #9 |
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This was my same thought as I read it. This can and could eventual include an investigation into both Ma Barker and the DNC. Apparently either Mueller because of some sort of bias or that he has not had the time to arrive there yet will eventually snare Ma in his net as well.
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| peewee | May 6 2018, 11:28 AM Post #10 |
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Same as Kimba Wood? |
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| RaiderNation | May 6 2018, 11:37 AM Post #11 |
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This judge has no jurisdiction to lambaste the Mueller team ... they are doing exactly what Rosenstein charged them to do. If he doesn't like it, tough Edited by RaiderNation, May 6 2018, 11:41 AM.
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| estonianman | May 6 2018, 11:41 AM Post #12 |
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It doesn't appear that way - Mueller was put in place to investigate Russian collusion with the Trump campaign and its potential influence on the election - he didn't find any and is now going back years to find whatever process crimes he can, while allegedly setting up perjury traps as a backup. If this is what Rosenstein determined as the 'scope' of the special counsel, then this was never disclosed to anyone at its inception. Trump never fired Mueller because he probably knew that the special counsel would eventually hang itself - as Alan Dershowitz predicted. Edited by estonianman, May 6 2018, 11:42 AM.
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| estonianman | May 6 2018, 11:45 AM Post #13 |
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and I'll add - I understand that you Wilmy, Buck, George, 70 are okay with this because the real purpose of the special counsel was to reverse the 2016 election, get Donald Trump out of the White House. Russian Collusion, Stormy Daniels, Emoluments Clause, Perjury, WHATEVER This has been made crystal clear since his win in 2016. For that - the special counsel serves its purpose, but it is anti-american, anti-liberal and anti-democratic. Edited by estonianman, May 6 2018, 11:46 AM.
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| RaiderNation | May 6 2018, 11:46 AM Post #14 |
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Read the letter. Section C in particular. Edited by RaiderNation, May 6 2018, 11:48 AM.
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| peewee | May 6 2018, 11:49 AM Post #15 |
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Lisa Kern Griffin, a professor at Duke University School of Law and a former federal prosecutor, said it is unlikely Ellis will dismiss the charges against Manafort because bringing them was “almost certainly” within Mueller’s broad authority. If Ellis dismissed the charges, they would likely be reinstated by an appeals court, Griffin said. “I think Judge Ellis may just be putting to the government through its paces,” she said. “That is not uncommon.” |
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| estonianman | May 6 2018, 11:51 AM Post #16 |
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investigate these matters as in Russian inference in the 2016 elections. Edited by estonianman, May 6 2018, 11:52 AM.
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| RaiderNation | May 6 2018, 12:02 PM Post #17 |
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No. "(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters." In other words, if he discovers other federal crimes in the course of this investigation he is authorized to investigate and prosecute them also. Manafort and Flynn would fall under this charge. Edited by RaiderNation, May 6 2018, 12:03 PM.
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| Will Munny: "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it..." | |
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| estonianman | May 6 2018, 12:35 PM Post #18 |
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and Stormy Daniels? |
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| RaiderNation | May 6 2018, 12:38 PM Post #19 |
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Cohen's deal was referred to the US Attorney in Southern New York, and they pursued it. NOT Mueller. |
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| estonianman | May 6 2018, 12:53 PM Post #20 |
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Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY. |
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and the DNC. Apparently either Mueller because of some sort of bias or that he has not had the time to arrive there yet will eventually snare Ma
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