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Judge’s Warning in Manafort Case Could Spell Doom for Mueller
Topic Started: May 6 2018, 06:50 AM (389 Views)
RaiderNation
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estonianman
May 6 2018, 12:53 PM
Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY.
No. He is charged with also referring other possible crimes he uncovers. Cohen/Daniels apparently have no connection to Trump/Russia, so they were turned over to the US Atty.

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estonianman
May 6 2018, 11:45 AM
and I'll add - I understand that you Wilmy, Buck, George, 70 are okay with this because the real purpose of the special counsel was to reverse the 2016 election, get Donald Trump out of the White House. Russian Collusion, Stormy Daniels, Emoluments Clause, Perjury, WHATEVER This has been made crystal clear since his win in 2016.

For that - the special counsel serves its purpose, but it is anti-american, anti-liberal and anti-democratic.


No we actually want to drain the swamp and right now Trump is busy building a big, beautiful, huge swamp with his constant lying, corrupt appointments, special interests and his connections to the Russians. To drain this swamp the investigation goes where the filth goes.
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RaiderNation
May 6 2018, 12:02 PM
No.

"(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters."

In other words, if he discovers other federal crimes in the course of this investigation he is authorized to investigate and prosecute them also. Manafort and Flynn would fall under this charge.
so, you maintain that it is reasonable that he found crimes from 2005 based on an investigation into crimes from 2016?

the judge is correct; this is nothing less than an attempt to "get Trump at any cost"

Mueller has overreached his authority

meanwhile, the Clinton's skate after actually committing crimes

also looks like we have actual crimes committed by Jug Ears (weaponizing the IC)
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RaiderNation
May 6 2018, 07:07 AM
Yeah, the only problem here is that Mueller was/is specifically authorized to investigate any other crimes he discovers in the course of his investigation, this judge's 'opinion' not withstanding:

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LMFAO this document came 1 week AFTER Mueller raided Manafort's home! Manafort can get his case dismissed all because Mueller overstepped his authority when he raided Manafort! ROTFLMAO!

Judge Ellis will dismiss Manaforts case and rightly so! and I hope he does! Mueller's investigation is falling apart as all fraudulent investigations do!



Rosenstein Memo confirming Mueller could investigate Manafort came a week after raid on Manafort’s home

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/04/rosenstein-memo-confirming-mueller-could-investigate-manafort-came-a-week-after-raid-on-manaforts-home/

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The August 2, 2017 memo was classic boostrapping. It purported to confirm Mueller’s authority to go after Manafort’s business dealings, but Mueller already was doing that and had been doing it for weeks, culminating in the July 26 home raid.

So to the extent the Rosenstein August 2, 2017 memorandum is supposed to instill confidence that Mueller is receiving proper DOJ oversight, it does just the opposite. As least as to the portion revealed about Manafort, it shows a willingness to give post hoc justification for conduct of Mueller that does not appear authorized by the text of the original May 17 appointing Order.


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estonianman
May 6 2018, 12:53 PM
Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY.
Mueller has been given the authority by the DoJ to investigate all matters related to the Trump Mafia until they're brought to justice. But if I were you, I'd be far more concerned about what Stormy Daniels and her attorney are doing to Trump and his stooges.


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RaiderNation
May 6 2018, 12:02 PM
No.

"(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters."

In other words, if he discovers other federal crimes in the course of this investigation he is authorized to investigate and prosecute them also. Manafort and Flynn would fall under this charge.
"Arising from the investigation of these matters" is the key phrase there, Raider. If Mueller found the Manafort crimes while investigating Manafort and something Russia-related, Mueller has authority. Mueller does *not* have authority to investigate someone for things that have nothing to do with Russia. The judge wants proof Mueller was actually looking at something Russia-related when Mueller found these old, non-Russia related crimes.
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May 6 2018, 01:51 PM
estonianman
May 6 2018, 12:53 PM
Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY.
Mueller has been given the authority by the DoJ to investigate all matters related to the Trump Mafia until they're brought to justice. But if I were you, I'd be far more concerned about what Stormy Daniels and her attorney are doing to Trump and his stooges.


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What crimes has Trump committed - be specific please with legitimate sources - regarding Russia, the election and Stormy Daniels.
Edited by estonianman, May 6 2018, 02:31 PM.
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May 6 2018, 01:51 PM
estonianman
May 6 2018, 12:53 PM
Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY.
Mueller has been given the authority by the DoJ to investigate all matters related to the Trump Mafia until they're brought to justice. But if I were you, I'd be far more concerned about what Stormy Daniels and her attorney are doing to Trump and his stooges.


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Was Putin, among the thousands, also screwing Stormy ???............... :confused:
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RaiderNation
May 6 2018, 12:02 PM
No.

"(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters."

In other words, if he discovers other federal crimes in the course of this investigation he is authorized to investigate and prosecute them also. Manafort and Flynn would fall under this charge.
Manafort's charges in Virginia relate to bank fraud and other financial allegations from years ago. He has pleaded not guilty.
When Meuller's team answered Ellis' question about how the investigation and its charges date back to before the Trump campaign formed, the judge shot back, "None of that information has to do with information related to Russian government coordination and the campaign of Donald Trump."
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May 6 2018, 01:39 PM
RaiderNation
May 6 2018, 07:07 AM
Yeah, the only problem here is that Mueller was/is specifically authorized to investigate any other crimes he discovers in the course of his investigation, this judge's 'opinion' not withstanding:

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LMFAO this document came 1 week AFTER Mueller raided Manafort's home!
Yeah, except Mueller was appointed May 17, 2017, same day as the memo above, and Manafort's raid was on July 26 2017. The August memo was different.

You need better sources. :rotflmao:

Edited by RaiderNation, May 6 2018, 03:31 PM.
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May 6 2018, 03:25 PM
Katoblue
May 6 2018, 01:39 PM
RaiderNation
May 6 2018, 07:07 AM
Yeah, the only problem here is that Mueller was/is specifically authorized to investigate any other crimes he discovers in the course of his investigation, this judge's 'opinion' not withstanding:

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LMFAO this document came 1 week AFTER Mueller raided Manafort's home!
Yeah, except Mueller was appointed May 17, 2017, same day as the memo above, and Manafort's raid was on July 26 2017. The August memo was different.

You need better sources. :rotflmao:

it doesn't matter.. Mueller had to ask Rosenstein to put in writing what his boundaries were..

which means Rosentsein never gave Mueller permission to go beyond what was connected to the Russian investigation like Mueller did with Manafort.. before Rosenstein put it in writing.. Rosenstein put t into writing after Mueller raided Manafort's home! and that's all the judge will care about.. Mueller overstepping his boundaries.. in dealing with Manafort..

my sources are just fine.. it's you libs who have a real challenge with comprehension.. and when Judge Ellis sees the un-redacted memo.. he will probably drop the case against Manafort.. and Ellis no doubt will really give Mueller a chastising then too.. much bigger than this last one that Ellis gave Mueller.. wait and see..





Edited by Katoblue, May 6 2018, 05:23 PM.
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estonianman
May 6 2018, 12:53 PM
Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY.
But they got evidence...

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estonianman
May 6 2018, 12:53 PM
Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY.
Mr. Mueller in his investigation came across whatever it was he came across and was obligated to turn it over as it was out of the limits of his investigation. So he did. Whatever it was.

Should he have pretended that he never saw it?





Edited by Coast2coast, May 6 2018, 09:16 PM.
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May 6 2018, 12:02 PM
No.

"(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters."

In other words, if he discovers other federal crimes in the course of this investigation he is authorized to investigate and prosecute them also. Manafort and Flynn would fall under this charge.
Kevin Downing, Mr Manafort’s attorney, has argued the charges should be dropped because the original FBI investigation into the political adviser dated back to 2014, meaning the allegations did not arise from Mr Mueller’s probe.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/robert-mueller-authority-paul-manafort-judge-ellis-russia-investigation-a8337291.html
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This is where conservatives are. That is all this is.



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May 6 2018, 09:14 PM
estonianman
May 6 2018, 12:53 PM
Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY.
Mr. Mueller in his investigation came across whatever it was he came across and was obligated to turn it over as it was out of the limits of his investigation. So he did. Whatever it was.

Should he have pretended that he never saw it?





So the scope of the Mueller investigation is "whatever" ?

Find me the man and Ill give you the crime.
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estonianman
May 6 2018, 09:33 PM
Coast2coast
May 6 2018, 09:14 PM
estonianman
May 6 2018, 12:53 PM
Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY.
Mr. Mueller in his investigation came across whatever it was he came across and was obligated to turn it over as it was out of the limits of his investigation. So he did. Whatever it was.

Should he have pretended that he never saw it?





So the scope of the Mueller investigation is "whatever" ?

Find me the man and Ill give you the crime.
Judge Ellis disagrees with c2c and would call c2c a lair just as he has Mueller.. Judge Ellis also has way more credibility than both c2c and Mueller put together! lmao it's obvious Judge Ellis gets it right and isn't afraid to speck the truth! alt-left c2c just speaks his usual own made up fake news lies.. you can tell because his mouth is moving..






Edited by Katoblue, May 6 2018, 10:57 PM.
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May 6 2018, 09:14 PM
estonianman
May 6 2018, 12:53 PM
Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY.
Mr. Mueller in his investigation came across whatever it was he came across and was obligated to turn it over as it was out of the limits of his investigation. So he did. Whatever it was.

Should he have pretended that he never saw it?





Then you would have to both admit and include that should Farris Mueller and crew uncover anything related to Ma Barker :drinking: or the DNC then this too would fall into his realm of investigation and prosecution?
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May 6 2018, 01:00 PM
estonianman
May 6 2018, 12:53 PM
Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY.
No. He is charged with also referring other possible crimes he uncovers. Cohen/Daniels apparently have no connection to Trump/Russia, so they were turned over to the US Atty.

Seems to me that if Manafort's alleged crimes predated the campaign and are unrelated to Trump/Russia as well, his case should also be referred to a U.S. Attorney and taken out Mueller's hands.

This would prevent the Special Council from leveraging those allegations against Manafort to get to Trump. Problem solved.
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May 7 2018, 02:35 AM
RaiderNation
May 6 2018, 01:00 PM
estonianman
May 6 2018, 12:53 PM
Referred by the special counsel - who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the 2016 ONLY.
No. He is charged with also referring other possible crimes he uncovers. Cohen/Daniels apparently have no connection to Trump/Russia, so they were turned over to the US Atty.

Seems to me that if Manafort's alleged crimes predated the campaign and are unrelated to Trump/Russia as well, his case should also be referred to a U.S. Attorney and taken out Mueller's hands.

This would prevent the Special Council from leveraging those allegations against Manafort to get to Trump. Problem solved.
Manafort colluded with pro-Russian UKRAINIAN politicians years before the Presidential campaign............ :oyvey
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