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Pedro Sánchez is sworn in as Spain's new prime minister
Topic Started: Jun 2 2018, 12:23 PM (710 Views)
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Spanish Socialist Pedro Sánchez has been sworn in as the country's new prime minister by King Felipe after the ousting of conservative Mariano Rajoy.

Mr Sánchez, who is an atheist, took the oath to protect the constitution without a bible or crucifix - a first in Spain's modern history.

He plans to see out the remaining two years of the parliamentary term.

The Socialist leader won the support of six other parties to remove Mr Rajoy over a massive corruption scandal.

As Spain's new prime minister, whose party only has a quarter of the seats in parliament, he now has to decide who to include in his cabinet and is expected to name them next week.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44340879
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An atheist/socialist sworn in to rule over Spain. Right

This oughta be good, ..... :drinking:

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An atheist/socialist sworn in to rule over Spain. Right

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An atheist/socialist sworn in to rule over Spain. Right

This oughta be good, ..... :drinking:

:popcorn:


Mozart
Well, hopefully, he will be an improvement on a god-bothering, Prime Minister, who appeared to harbour some confusion over what were public and what were private funds, when it came to opening Swiss bank accounts.

Although it may be taken as a given that all politicians, regardless of their political leanings, are lying bastards, I hold a special abhorrence for light-fingered mofos who cut funding for the poor, the sick and the old, so that they can go running with the skimmed cash to the their big-business pimps in the form of tax cuts and bonuses in exchange for an official under-the-table cut of the cake.

It might come as a surprise, for a right-wing American such as your most excellent self but it is possible to be a Conservative and still have a sense of social justice. Just saying...

Cheers
Hughmac
H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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Jun 2 2018, 12:25 PM
An atheist/socialist sworn in to rule over Spain. Right

This oughta be good, ..... :drinking:

:popcorn:


Mozart
Well, hopefully, he will be an improvement on a god-bothering, Prime Minister, who appeared to harbour some confusion over what were public and what were private funds, when it came to opening Swiss bank accounts.

Although it may be taken as a given that all politicians, regardless of their political leanings, are lying bastards, I hold a special abhorrence for light-fingered mofos who cut funding for the poor, the sick and the old, so that they can go running with the skimmed cash to the their big-business pimps in the form of tax cuts and bonuses in exchange for an official under-the-table cut of the cake.

It might come as a surprise, for a right-wing American such as your most excellent self but it is possible to be a Conservative and still have a sense of social justice. Just saying...

Cheers
Hughmac
It is possible to be a Conservative with a strong sense of social justice (and an upper-case "C"). In America we have never had a Conservative Party as such, in large part because our Constitution is firmly erected on liberal ideas. "Conservative" in the USA is a euphemism for reactionary anarchism -- people who want to reverse the 20th century welfare state and return to a federal government of laissez-faire. In the context of the American economy, such "conservatism" has no place for social justice.
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Jun 2 2018, 01:28 PM
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Jun 2 2018, 12:25 PM
An atheist/socialist sworn in to rule over Spain. Right

This oughta be good, ..... :drinking:

:popcorn:


Mozart
Well, hopefully, he will be an improvement on a god-bothering, Prime Minister, who appeared to harbour some confusion over what were public and what were private funds, when it came to opening Swiss bank accounts.

Although it may be taken as a given that all politicians, regardless of their political leanings, are lying bastards, I hold a special abhorrence for light-fingered mofos who cut funding for the poor, the sick and the old, so that they can go running with the skimmed cash to the their big-business pimps in the form of tax cuts and bonuses in exchange for an official under-the-table cut of the cake.

It might come as a surprise, for a right-wing American such as your most excellent self but it is possible to be a Conservative and still have a sense of social justice. Just saying...

Cheers
Hughmac
It never works because the first thing you abandon is your meritocracy, which means that 25%+ unemployment, especially with mid-20s

I just looked it up, wow

are all going to want "gibs me dats", the productive people leave - the remaining wealth and culture that your beautiful country has built up over the centuries will be squandered on the hordes.

Source? Take a look at these "success" stories

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Jun 2 2018, 01:28 PM
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Jun 2 2018, 12:25 PM
An atheist/socialist sworn in to rule over Spain. Right

This oughta be good, ..... :drinking:

:popcorn:


Mozart
Well, hopefully, he will be an improvement on a god-bothering, Prime Minister, who appeared to harbour some confusion over what were public and what were private funds, when it came to opening Swiss bank accounts.

Although it may be taken as a given that all politicians, regardless of their political leanings, are lying bastards, I hold a special abhorrence for light-fingered mofos who cut funding for the poor, the sick and the old, so that they can go running with the skimmed cash to the their big-business pimps in the form of tax cuts and bonuses in exchange for an official under-the-table cut of the cake.

It might come as a surprise, for a right-wing American such as your most excellent self but it is possible to be a Conservative and still have a sense of social justice. Just saying...

Cheers
Hughmac
It never works because the first thing you abandon is your meritocracy, which means that 25%+ unemployment, especially with mid-20s

I just looked it up, wow

are all going to want "gibs me dats", the productive people leave - the remaining wealth and culture that your beautiful country has built up over the centuries will be squandered on the hordes.

Source? Take a look at these "success" stories

Call me old school, or even male chauvinist - and many will - but for me the ideal family arrangement was the father (capitalism) and the mother (socialism). That is to say that one produced the riches and the other administered it for the benefit of the family. You can't run a country on pure socialism and you can't run one on pure capitalism - the two have to be balanced for the common good. The mother cannot spend more than what is coming into the household income, thus running up debts, and the father cannot spend his wage packet down the pub leaving the home's cupboards bare.

You spend your savings, putting in all the hours, shouldering the worry that comes with investment risk, then you should reap the benefits for your personal good, but never through exploiting those that work for you.

A moral capitalist's cornerstone should be: I will give you employment with a fair wage but the profits are mine, but just as I have to invest in modernising the machinery etc to keep my business competitive thus producing a profitable output, then I should also invest - and that is the key word "invest," in my workers' welfare.

Cheers
Hughmac
Edited by Hughmac, Jun 2 2018, 05:06 PM.
H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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Jun 2 2018, 12:25 PM
An atheist/socialist sworn in to rule over Spain. Right

This oughta be good, ..... :drinking:

:popcorn:


Mozart
Well, hopefully, he will be an improvement on a god-bothering, Prime Minister, who appeared to harbour some confusion over what were public and what were private funds, when it came to opening Swiss bank accounts.

Although it may be taken as a given that all politicians, regardless of their political leanings, are lying bastards, I hold a special abhorrence for light-fingered mofos who cut funding for the poor, the sick and the old, so that they can go running with the skimmed cash to the their big-business pimps in the form of tax cuts and bonuses in exchange for an official under-the-table cut of the cake.

It might come as a surprise, for a right-wing American such as your most excellent self but it is possible to be a Conservative and still have a sense of social justice. Just saying...

Cheers
Hughmac
It never works because the first thing you abandon is your meritocracy, which means that 25%+ unemployment, especially with mid-20s

I just looked it up, wow

are all going to want "gibs me dats", the productive people leave - the remaining wealth and culture that your beautiful country has built up over the centuries will be squandered on the hordes.

Source? Take a look at these "success" stories

Call me old school, or even male chauvinist - and many will - but for me the ideal family arrangement was the father (capitalism) and the mother (socialism). That is to say that one produced the riches and the other administered it for the benefit of the family. You can't run a country on pure socialism and you can't run one on pure capitalism - the two have to be balanced for the common good. The mother cannot spend more than what is coming into the household income, thus running up debts, and the father cannot spend his wage packet down the pub leaving the home's cupboards bare.

You spend your savings, putting in all the hours, shouldering the worry that comes with investment risk, then you should reap the benefits for your personal good, but never through exploiting those that work for you.

A moral capitalist's cornerstone should be: I will give you employment with a fair wage but the profits are mine, but just as I have to invest in modernising the machinery etc to keep my business competitive thus producing a profitable output, then I should also invest - and that is the key word "invest," in my workers' welfare.

Cheers
Hughmac
"Social Justice" has no place in the modern world....It died with the USSR............... :rollseyes:
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but never through exploiting those that work for you.

There it is - the marxist in you. Employees are not exploited by their employers unless they are slaves.

That said - there seems to be an increasing number of individuals that refuse to train for work, move for work and GO to work.

I am not saying these people should be left to die in the streets - but they certainly shouldn't be on par with benefits as those that made the effort to succeed.

Government incentives for business/industry should be reviews to make sure people have a place to work. In the case of Spain - my hunch is that EU regulations have fecked all the business into permenent recession, the younger generation isn't trained and domestic socialist politics have picked the bones. Now this marxist will move in and finish the rest while blaming the result of every mistake on the capitalist oppressors.

I thought the 20th century taught some very clear lessons - apparently not for all of us.
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Jun 2 2018, 12:25 PM
An atheist/socialist sworn in to rule over Spain. Right

This oughta be good, ..... :drinking:

:popcorn:


Mozart
Well, hopefully, he will be an improvement on a god-bothering, Prime Minister, who appeared to harbour some confusion over what were public and what were private funds, when it came to opening Swiss bank accounts.

Although it may be taken as a given that all politicians, regardless of their political leanings, are lying bastards, I hold a special abhorrence for light-fingered mofos who cut funding for the poor, the sick and the old, so that they can go running with the skimmed cash to the their big-business pimps in the form of tax cuts and bonuses in exchange for an official under-the-table cut of the cake.

It might come as a surprise, for a right-wing American such as your most excellent self but it is possible to be a Conservative and still have a sense of social justice. Just saying...

Cheers
Hughmac
It never works because the first thing you abandon is your meritocracy, which means that 25%+ unemployment, especially with mid-20s

I just looked it up, wow

are all going to want "gibs me dats", the productive people leave - the remaining wealth and culture that your beautiful country has built up over the centuries will be squandered on the hordes.

Source? Take a look at these "success" stories

Call me old school, or even male chauvinist - and many will - but for me the ideal family arrangement was the father (capitalism) and the mother (socialism). That is to say that one produced the riches and the other administered it for the benefit of the family. You can't run a country on pure socialism and you can't run one on pure capitalism - the two have to be balanced for the common good. The mother cannot spend more than what is coming into the household income, thus running up debts, and the father cannot spend his wage packet down the pub leaving the home's cupboards bare.

You spend your savings, putting in all the hours, shouldering the worry that comes with investment risk, then you should reap the benefits for your personal good, but never through exploiting those that work for you.

A moral capitalist's cornerstone should be: I will give you employment with a fair wage but the profits are mine, but just as I have to invest in modernising the machinery etc to keep my business competitive thus producing a profitable output, then I should also invest - and that is the key word "invest," in my workers' welfare.

Cheers
Hughmac
"Social Justice" has no place in the modern world....It died with the USSR............... :rollseyes:
Your country, was brought into being by an inspiration to Social Justice - at least that is what your commie pinkoes, the Founding Fathers, sold it as - H
H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepall politicians, regardless of their political leanings, are lying bastards, I hold a special abhorrence for light-fingered mofos who cut funding for the poor, the sick and the old, so that they can go running with the skimmed cash to the their big-business pimps in the form of tax cuts and bonuses in exchange for an official under-the-table cut of the cake.

It might come as a surprise, for a right-wing American such as your most excellent self but it is possible to be a Conservative and still have a sense of social justice. Just saying...

Cheers
Hughmac
It never works because the first thing you abandon is your meritocracy, which means that 25%+ unemployment, especially with mid-20s

I just looked it up, wow

are all going to want "gibs me dats", the productive people leave - the remaining wealth and culture that your beautiful country has built up over the centuries will be squandered on the hordes.

Source? Take a look at these "success" stories

Call me old school, or even male chauvinist - and many will - but for me the ideal family arrangement was the father (capitalism) and the mother (socialism). That is to say that one produced the riches and the other administered it for the benefit of the family. You can't run a country on pure socialism and you can't run one on pure capitalism - the two have to be balanced for the common good. The mother cannot spend more than what is coming into the household income, thus running up debts, and the father cannot spend his wage packet down the pub leaving the home's cupboards bare.

You spend your savings, putting in all the hours, shouldering the worry that comes with investment risk, then you should reap the benefits for your personal good, but never through exploiting those that work for you.

A moral capitalist's cornerstone should be: I will give you employment with a fair wage but the profits are mine, but just as I have to invest in modernising the machinery etc to keep my business competitive thus producing a profitable output, then I should also invest - and that is the key word "invest," in my workers' welfare.

Cheers
Hughmac
"Social Justice" has no place in the modern world....It died with the USSR............... :rollseyes:
Your country, was brought into being by an inspiration to Social Justice - at least that is what your commie pinkoes, the Founding Fathers, sold it as - H
Our Founding Fathers....commie pinkoes?....Nutz....

Still pissed that they didn't accept your British Imperialism are you?....

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but never through exploiting those that work for you.

There it is - the marxist in you. Employees are not exploited by their employers unless they are slaves.
Robbie will be please that you accredit him with my words - do buck up!

What a tremendously naive comment you have just made, "Employees are not exploited by their employers unless they are slaves."

You think those Chinese workers in sweat shops knocking out your iPhone are not being exploited? You think that some 9-year-old kid working 12 hours a day making bricks in Pakistan is not being exploited? You think that prostitutes in a sweat-shop-type whore house aren't being exploited?

If somebody is a slave, they don't have employers; they have masters. Being a slave means that you don't get paid. So, according to you, you can pay somebody starvation wages and that is not exploitation because it isn't slavery?

What the bloody hell are you going on about?

Marxist??? Do you think that the labour reforms carried out by the British Whig Governments in the 1800s to stop women and children labouring down mines for 14 hours a day were drawn up by Marxists? Those same reforms that prevented children working interminable days in the mills only to sleep under the vary machines they toiled over were Marxists?

Marxism didn't even exist back then, for feck's sake; those measures were carried out by great men who, guided by their social conscience, rolled back to unchecked greed of the early Industrial Revolution.

When Sir Robert Peel brought in the first experimental labour legislation in 1802, Karl bloody Marx hadn't even been born, you bloody idiot!

People who make such ridiculous statements in public should be thrown in the Tower - and that's the monarchist in me!

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Hughmac

Edited by Hughmac, Jun 3 2018, 02:09 AM.
H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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Jun 2 2018, 04:44 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepall politiciansI just looked it up, wow

are all going to want "gibs me dats", the productive people leave - the remaining wealth and culture that your beautiful country has built up over the centuries will be squandered on the hordes.

Source? Take a look at these "success" stories

Call me old school, or even male chauvinist - and many will - but for me the ideal family arrangement was the father (capitalism) and the mother (socialism). That is to say that one produced the riches and the other administered it for the benefit of the family. You can't run a country on pure socialism and you can't run one on pure capitalism - the two have to be balanced for the common good. The mother cannot spend more than what is coming into the household income, thus running up debts, and the father cannot spend his wage packet down the pub leaving the home's cupboards bare.

You spend your savings, putting in all the hours, shouldering the worry that comes with investment risk, then you should reap the benefits for your personal good, but never through exploiting those that work for you.

A moral capitalist's cornerstone should be: I will give you employment with a fair wage but the profits are mine, but just as I have to invest in modernising the machinery etc to keep my business competitive thus producing a profitable output, then I should also invest - and that is the key word "invest," in my workers' welfare.

Cheers
Hughmac
"Social Justice" has no place in the modern world....It died with the USSR............... :rollseyes:
Your country, was brought into being by an inspiration to Social Justice - at least that is what your commie pinkoes, the Founding Fathers, sold it as - H
Our Founding Fathers....commie pinkoes?....Nutz....

Still pissed that they didn't accept your British Imperialism are you?....

Of course they were outrageously red! Rebelling against your king, wimping on about their mamby-pamby rights??? The only conservatives over there were Royalist Loyalists, who all packed up in disgust after the war and moved to Canada, leaving the ex colonies to be ruled by lefty-wefty wimps. :nana:

Cheers
Hughmac ;)
Edited by Hughmac, Jun 3 2018, 02:16 AM.
H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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Jun 2 2018, 05:06 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepall politiciansI just looked it up, wow

are all going to want "gibs me dats", the productive people leave - the remaining wealth and culture that your beautiful country has built up over the centuries will be squandered on the hordes.

Source? Take a look at these "success" storiesand many will - but for me the ideal family arrangement was the father (capitalism) and the mother (socialism). That is to say that one produced the riches and the other administered it for the benefit of the family. You can't run a country on pure socialism and you can't run one on pure capitalism - the two have to be balanced for the common good. The mother cannot spend more than what is coming into the household income, thus running up debts, and the father cannot spend his wage packet down the pub leaving the home's cupboards bare.

You spend your savings, putting in all the hours, shouldering the worry that comes with investment risk, then you should reap the benefits for your personal good, but never through exploiting those that work for you.

A moral capitalist's cornerstone should be: I will give you employment with a fair wage but the profits are mine, but just as I have to invest in modernising the machinery etc to keep my business competitive thus producing a profitable output, then I should also invest - and that is the key word "invest," in my workers' welfare.

Cheers
Hughmac
"Social Justice" has no place in the modern world....It died with the USSR............... :rollseyes:
Your country, was brought into being by an inspiration to Social Justice - at least that is what your commie pinkoes, the Founding Fathers, sold it as - H
Our Founding Fathers....commie pinkoes?....Nutz....

Still pissed that they didn't accept your British Imperialism are you?....

Of course they were outrageously red! Rebelling against your king, wimping on about their mamby-pamby rights??? The only conservatives over there were Royalist Loyalists, who all packed up in disgust after the war and moved to Canada, leaving the ex colonies to be ruled by lefty-wefty wimps. :nana:

Cheers
Hughmac ;)
Imperialism....Socialism....Communism....Fascism....Are all linked to Grandiose plans, Misery, False promises and Failure....

Your British Empire has dabbled in them all....And yet you criticise the USA....

Colonialism was a failure because England didn't really want to let go and the Grand Westminster System of government was attached.... :rollseyes:
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepall politicians, regardless of their political leanings, are lying bastards, I hold a special abhorrence for light-fingered mofos who cut funding for the poor, the sick and the old, so that they can go running with the skimmed cash to the their big-business pimps in the form of tax cuts and bonuses in exchange for an official under-the-table cut of the cake.

It might come as a surprise, for a right-wing American such as your most excellent self but it is possible to be a Conservative and still have a sense of social justice. Just saying...

Cheers
Hughmac
It never works because the first thing you abandon is your meritocracy, which means that 25%+ unemployment, especially with mid-20s

I just looked it up, wow

are all going to want "gibs me dats", the productive people leave - the remaining wealth and culture that your beautiful country has built up over the centuries will be squandered on the hordes.

Source? Take a look at these "success" stories

Call me old school, or even male chauvinist - and many will - but for me the ideal family arrangement was the father (capitalism) and the mother (socialism). That is to say that one produced the riches and the other administered it for the benefit of the family. You can't run a country on pure socialism and you can't run one on pure capitalism - the two have to be balanced for the common good. The mother cannot spend more than what is coming into the household income, thus running up debts, and the father cannot spend his wage packet down the pub leaving the home's cupboards bare.

You spend your savings, putting in all the hours, shouldering the worry that comes with investment risk, then you should reap the benefits for your personal good, but never through exploiting those that work for you.

A moral capitalist's cornerstone should be: I will give you employment with a fair wage but the profits are mine, but just as I have to invest in modernising the machinery etc to keep my business competitive thus producing a profitable output, then I should also invest - and that is the key word "invest," in my workers' welfare.

Cheers
Hughmac
"Social Justice" has no place in the modern world....It died with the USSR............... :rollseyes:
Your country, was brought into being by an inspiration to Social Justice - at least that is what your commie pinkoes, the Founding Fathers, sold it as - H
The American Revolution was all about getting rid of British royalty and colonial status....Most of our founders were capitalists before the industrial revolution....Britain is one of the few countries in the world which retains a royalty...."Social Justice" is a commie phrase......... :oyvey:
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepall politiciansI just looked it up, wow

are all going to want "gibs me dats", the productive people leave - the remaining wealth and culture that your beautiful country has built up over the centuries will be squandered on the hordes.

Source? Take a look at these "success" storiesand many will
Your country, was brought into being by an inspiration to Social Justice - at least that is what your commie pinkoes, the Founding Fathers, sold it as - H
Our Founding Fathers....commie pinkoes?....Nutz....

Still pissed that they didn't accept your British Imperialism are you?....

Of course they were outrageously red! Rebelling against your king, wimping on about their mamby-pamby rights??? The only conservatives over there were Royalist Loyalists, who all packed up in disgust after the war and moved to Canada, leaving the ex colonies to be ruled by lefty-wefty wimps. :nana:

Cheers
Hughmac ;)
Imperialism....Socialism....Communism....Fascism....Are all linked to Grandiose plans, Misery, False promises and Failure....

Your British Empire has dabbled in them all....And yet you criticise the USA....

Colonialism was a failure because England didn't really want to let go and the Grand Westminster System of government was attached.... :rollseyes:
Empires always tumble. Each and every one throughout history has risen, peaked, waned and disappeared.

And the US, of course, which rejected the concept of empire, and had raged against 'evil' imperialism, started to dabble in it in 1898, a mere 115 years after becoming independent, just as soon as it had suppressed the native population.

The Monroe Doctrine, ostentatiously proclaimed to keep European powers out of Central and South America (but which was mere hot air without the might of the Royal Navy to impose it) was more about turning its weaker southern neighbours into subordinate and subjected markets for the greater glory of the USA than protecting the budding republics from European imperialism.

The human race, if it doesn't destroy itself beforehand, will began a new era of imperialism by colonising distant planets, imposing itself at the top of the food chain on their ecosystems. However, the Human Empire will follow the course of all empires eventually.

In the meantime, militarily imposed imperialism gave way to economic imperialism where the metropolis dominates and syphons off the wealth of other countries through the flexing of economic muscle over economically weaker nations, areas and populations.

So, taking in all of the above, what exactly are you whinging about? :rollseyes:

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Edited by Hughmac, Jun 3 2018, 03:57 AM.
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Robert Stout
Jun 2 2018, 06:16 PM
Hughmac
Jun 2 2018, 05:06 PM
estonianman
Jun 2 2018, 04:44 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepall politiciansI just looked it up, wow

are all going to want "gibs me dats", the productive people leave - the remaining wealth and culture that your beautiful country has built up over the centuries will be squandered on the hordes.

Source? Take a look at these "success" stories

Call me old school, or even male chauvinist - and many will - but for me the ideal family arrangement was the father (capitalism) and the mother (socialism). That is to say that one produced the riches and the other administered it for the benefit of the family. You can't run a country on pure socialism and you can't run one on pure capitalism - the two have to be balanced for the common good. The mother cannot spend more than what is coming into the household income, thus running up debts, and the father cannot spend his wage packet down the pub leaving the home's cupboards bare.

You spend your savings, putting in all the hours, shouldering the worry that comes with investment risk, then you should reap the benefits for your personal good, but never through exploiting those that work for you.

A moral capitalist's cornerstone should be: I will give you employment with a fair wage but the profits are mine, but just as I have to invest in modernising the machinery etc to keep my business competitive thus producing a profitable output, then I should also invest - and that is the key word "invest," in my workers' welfare.

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Hughmac
"Social Justice" has no place in the modern world....It died with the USSR............... :rollseyes:
Your country, was brought into being by an inspiration to Social Justice - at least that is what your commie pinkoes, the Founding Fathers, sold it as - H
The American Revolution was all about getting rid of British royalty and colonial status....Most of our founders were capitalists before the industrial revolution....Britain is one of the few countries in the world which retains a royalty...."Social Justice" is a commie phrase......... :oyvey:
Your Founding Fathers were hypocrites "We, the people... unless you're black, red or yellow..." They spouted grandiose utterances about liberty... but owned slaves! Give me a break!

Yeah, plenty of hot air about inalienable right to form your own nation yet just over 70 years later you went to war to stop some of the states doing precisely that!

Jesus Christ, Robbie, what have you got again the bottom of your own boat?


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Call me old school, or even male chauvinist - and many will - but for me the ideal family arrangement was the father (capitalism) and the mother (socialism). That is to say that one produced the riches and the other administered it for the benefit of the family. You can't run a country on pure socialism and you can't run one on pure capitalism - the two have to be balanced for the common good. The mother cannot spend more than what is coming into the household income, thus running up debts, and the father cannot spend his wage packet down the pub leaving the home's cupboards bare.


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Jun 2 2018, 12:25 PM
An atheist/socialist sworn in to rule over Spain. Right

This oughta be good, ..... :drinking:

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Mozart
There's hope for Spain. Sounds better than the incompetent, anti-democratic and corrupt regime they had before.

And if Spain's Socialists are anything like Dutch Social Democrats, then there's very little socialist about it.
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Hughmac
Jun 3 2018, 02:06 AM
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Jun 2 2018, 06:30 PM
Robert Stout
Jun 2 2018, 06:16 PM
but never through exploiting those that work for you.

There it is - the marxist in you. Employees are not exploited by their employers unless they are slaves.
Robbie will be please that you accredit him with my words - do buck up!

What a tremendously naive comment you have just made, "Employees are not exploited by their employers unless they are slaves."

You think those Chinese workers in sweat shops knocking out your iPhone are not being exploited? You think that some 9-year-old kid working 12 hours a day making bricks in Pakistan is not being exploited? You think that prostitutes in a sweat-shop-type whore house aren't being exploited?

If somebody is a slave, they don't have employers; they have masters. Being a slave means that you don't get paid. So, according to you, you can pay somebody starvation wages and that is not exploitation because it isn't slavery?

What the bloody hell are you going on about?

Marxist??? Do you think that the labour reforms carried out by the British Whig Governments in the 1800s to stop women and children labouring down mines for 14 hours a day were drawn up by Marxists? Those same reforms that prevented children working interminable days in the mills only to sleep under the vary machines they toiled over were Marxists?

Marxism didn't even exist back then, for feck's sake; those measures were carried out by great men who, guided by their social conscience, rolled back to unchecked greed of the early Industrial Revolution.

When Sir Robert Peel brought in the first experimental labour legislation in 1802, Karl bloody Marx hadn't even been born, you bloody idiot!

People who make such ridiculous statements in public should be thrown in the Tower - and that's the monarchist in me!

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Hughmac

I never said you were a marxist - "exploitation" is a common bullet point by marxists to understand the tactics dictated by their supreme bourgeois leader Marx. He was like the millennial barista of the 20th century - no wonder they love him. Anyway your argument for "exploitation" is a common argument for the oppression of workers, the proletariat. "exploitation" is a marxist buzzword and you heard it from one of your friends that's a marxist, or likely at university. You're a writer correct? The arts are packed with marxists.

The problem with your argument is you need to draw a line - if your thought is that workers at a sweatshop are "exploited", then the guy in NYC who is being used for his lack of skills could also be considered "exploited" because he is being paid minimum wage. Or how about the guy that travels every week away from his family, only to not make a bonus that was verbally promised - I see it happen - not all the time but it happens in the corporate world. That guy definitely feels "exploited".

So hopefully you get my point - in relation to us first worlders, that guy working in a spinner factory for 4 USD a day to appears from our POV to be "exploited" - when taking no other factors into account like skills, IQ, living standards, costs of living, governmental situation. Then there is the awful truth that you can't sell spinners in the first/developing world for $45 a piece, the consumers want them for $2.99 - so you can't build them in Ohio where the USW union takes over your plant.


So I choose to draw a line. The line is where does "exploitation" end - and the one that I offer is whether that person is there voluntarily or not. If the spinner factory went to the local socialist dictatorship and said "guarantee me workers for 4 USD and I'll put a plant in your country" and then that dictator forced people to work at that plant potentially at gunpoint - no doubt that is "exploitation".

However if that worker is there voluntarily, because in his socialist s**thole country the only other option is milking goats, then that is a choice. It sucks, we could say it's "unfair", we could say he/she lost the geographical lottery. Those are all valid arguments. But to say "exploitation" is taking place infers to a moral fallacy, which if you read the above could be applied to almost anyone.
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