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"PM Justin Trudeau of Canada acted so meek and mild during our @G7 meetings only to give a news conference after I left saying that, 'US Tariffs were kind of insulting' and he 'will not be pushed around,'" Trump wrote. "Very dishonest & weak. Our Tariffs are in response to his of 270% on dairy!" So Trudeau did a double-cross and Trump called him on it....Sneaky damn Liberals....
So he pulled a Trump, eh?
So what about this 270% on US dairy products?....
What about it? We have a 350% tariff on imported tobacco and a 163% tariff on unshelled peanuts. http://www.businessinsider.com/americas-biggest-tariffs-2010-9#shelled-peanuts-1318-tariff-22 Since when do we import tobacco and peanuts from Canada?
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"PM Justin Trudeau of Canada acted so meek and mild during our @G7 meetings only to give a news conference after I left saying that, 'US Tariffs were kind of insulting' and he 'will not be pushed around,'" Trump wrote. "Very dishonest & weak. Our Tariffs are in response to his of 270% on dairy!" So Trudeau did a double-cross and Trump called him on it....Sneaky damn Liberals....
So he pulled a Trump, eh?
So what about this 270% on US dairy products?....
What about it? We have a 350% tariff on imported tobacco and a 163% tariff on unshelled peanuts. http://www.businessinsider.com/americas-biggest-tariffs-2010-9#shelled-peanuts-1318-tariff-22
Since when do we import tobacco and peanuts from Canada? Where we import them from isn't important. What is important is why we have them. Canada has a 270% tariff on dairy goods because we're right next door, we're ten times their size, and we could easily flood their dairy market with cheap dairy products, destroying their dairy farms. Well, Canadian dairy producers provide about 220k in jobs in Canada, we destroy their dairy market and those people suddenly go unemployed.
We also have a 350% tariff on tobacco because our tobacco producers don't want the competition of cheap tobacco coming in from China or India, the two largest tobacco producers in the world.
Every country has industries that it protects for various reasons. If we opened up completely free trade without any tariffs, the economies of entire countries would be utterly destroyed because they simply can't produce ANYTHING as cheaply as it can be mass produced somewhere else.
Tariffs are only bad when they're abused. An argument can be made that some of our trading partners are abusing their tariffs. That's a fair point and one we should be addressing. But expecting our trading partners to completely open their entire economy is asinine, it's never going to happen and for good reasons.
Aren't we the ones complaining about all the jobs we've lost to China and other third world countries? Well that's because we lowered the tariffs on imports from those countries. Are we seriously expecting our trading partners to do exactly what we're bitching about as being a problem with others?
I'll tell you right now, Canada, Mexico and the EU will close down trade with the U.S. before they'd willingly abandon all tariffs and let the chips fall where they may for their economies.
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Since when do we import tobacco and peanuts from Canada?
Where we import them from isn't important. What is important is why we have them. Canada has a 270% tariff on dairy goods because we're right next door, we're ten times their size, and we could easily flood their dairy market with cheap dairy products, destroying their dairy farms. Well, Canadian dairy producers provide about 220k in jobs in Canada, we destroy their dairy market and those people suddenly go unemployed. We also have a 350% tariff on tobacco because our tobacco producers don't want the competition of cheap tobacco coming in from China or India, the two largest tobacco producers in the world. Every country has industries that it protects for various reasons. If we opened up completely free trade without any tariffs, the economies of entire countries would be utterly destroyed because they simply can't produce ANYTHING as cheaply as it can be mass produced somewhere else. Tariffs are only bad when they're abused. An argument can be made that some of our trading partners are abusing their tariffs. That's a fair point and one we should be addressing. But expecting our trading partners to completely open their entire economy is asinine, it's never going to happen and for good reasons. Aren't we the ones complaining about all the jobs we've lost to China and other third world countries? Well that's because we lowered the tariffs on imports from those countries. Are we seriously expecting our trading partners to do exactly what we're bitching about as being a problem with others? I'll tell you right now, Canada, Mexico and the EU will close down trade with the U.S. before they'd willingly abandon all tariffs and let the chips fall where they may for their economies. "Where we import them from isn't important."....And you throw a curve ball.... ....The subject we were debating was Trudeau/Canada....
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Since when do we import tobacco and peanuts from Canada?
Where we import them from isn't important. What is important is why we have them. Canada has a 270% tariff on dairy goods because we're right next door, we're ten times their size, and we could easily flood their dairy market with cheap dairy products, destroying their dairy farms. Well, Canadian dairy producers provide about 220k in jobs in Canada, we destroy their dairy market and those people suddenly go unemployed. We also have a 350% tariff on tobacco because our tobacco producers don't want the competition of cheap tobacco coming in from China or India, the two largest tobacco producers in the world. Every country has industries that it protects for various reasons. If we opened up completely free trade without any tariffs, the economies of entire countries would be utterly destroyed because they simply can't produce ANYTHING as cheaply as it can be mass produced somewhere else. Tariffs are only bad when they're abused. An argument can be made that some of our trading partners are abusing their tariffs. That's a fair point and one we should be addressing. But expecting our trading partners to completely open their entire economy is asinine, it's never going to happen and for good reasons. Aren't we the ones complaining about all the jobs we've lost to China and other third world countries? Well that's because we lowered the tariffs on imports from those countries. Are we seriously expecting our trading partners to do exactly what we're bitching about as being a problem with others? I'll tell you right now, Canada, Mexico and the EU will close down trade with the U.S. before they'd willingly abandon all tariffs and let the chips fall where they may for their economies. Do you consider that 'free trade' opinionated?
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Since when do we import tobacco and peanuts from Canada?
Where we import them from isn't important. What is important is why we have them. Canada has a 270% tariff on dairy goods because we're right next door, we're ten times their size, and we could easily flood their dairy market with cheap dairy products, destroying their dairy farms. Well, Canadian dairy producers provide about 220k in jobs in Canada, we destroy their dairy market and those people suddenly go unemployed. We also have a 350% tariff on tobacco because our tobacco producers don't want the competition of cheap tobacco coming in from China or India, the two largest tobacco producers in the world. Every country has industries that it protects for various reasons. If we opened up completely free trade without any tariffs, the economies of entire countries would be utterly destroyed because they simply can't produce ANYTHING as cheaply as it can be mass produced somewhere else. Tariffs are only bad when they're abused. An argument can be made that some of our trading partners are abusing their tariffs. That's a fair point and one we should be addressing. But expecting our trading partners to completely open their entire economy is asinine, it's never going to happen and for good reasons. Aren't we the ones complaining about all the jobs we've lost to China and other third world countries? Well that's because we lowered the tariffs on imports from those countries. Are we seriously expecting our trading partners to do exactly what we're bitching about as being a problem with others? I'll tell you right now, Canada, Mexico and the EU will close down trade with the U.S. before they'd willingly abandon all tariffs and let the chips fall where they may for their economies.
Do you consider that 'free trade' opinionated? Op's idea of free trade is free for all except the US....
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"PM Justin Trudeau of Canada acted so meek and mild during our @G7 meetings only to give a news conference after I left saying that, 'US Tariffs were kind of insulting' and he 'will not be pushed around,'" Trump wrote. "Very dishonest & weak. Our Tariffs are in response to his of 270% on dairy!" So Trudeau did a double-cross and Trump called him on it....Sneaky damn Liberals....
So he pulled a Trump, eh?
So what about this 270% on US dairy products?.... Canada protects their dairy farmers by limiting production internally and limiting imports. This keep dairy prices high in Canada. What is interesting is that the US also limits dairy imports into the US to 3% while Canada imports 10% of its dairy products from the US.
I wonder if Trump is willing to give up all the price supports, tariffs and other policies that protect American agriculture like sugar?
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"PM Justin Trudeau of Canada acted so meek and mild during our @G7 meetings only to give a news conference after I left saying that, 'US Tariffs were kind of insulting' and he 'will not be pushed around,'" Trump wrote. "Very dishonest & weak. Our Tariffs are in response to his of 270% on dairy!" So Trudeau did a double-cross and Trump called him on it....Sneaky damn Liberals....
So he pulled a Trump, eh?
So what about this 270% on US dairy products?....
Canada protects their dairy farmers by limiting production internally and limiting imports. This keep dairy prices high in Canada. What is interesting is that the US also limits dairy imports into the US to 3% while Canada imports 10% of its dairy products from the US. I wonder if Trump is willing to give up all the price supports, tariffs and other policies that protect American agriculture like sugar? Since when do we import sugar from Canada?....Didn't know it was such a large sugar producer....
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"PM Justin Trudeau of Canada acted so meek and mild during our @G7 meetings only to give a news conference after I left saying that, 'US Tariffs were kind of insulting' and he 'will not be pushed around,'" Trump wrote. "Very dishonest & weak. Our Tariffs are in response to his of 270% on dairy!" So Trudeau did a double-cross and Trump called him on it....Sneaky damn Liberals....
So he pulled a Trump, eh?
So what about this 270% on US dairy products?....
Canada protects their dairy farmers by limiting production internally and limiting imports. This keep dairy prices high in Canada. What is interesting is that the US also limits dairy imports into the US to 3% while Canada imports 10% of its dairy products from the US. I wonder if Trump is willing to give up all the price supports, tariffs and other policies that protect American agriculture like sugar? Funny that you bring that up ..........
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Trump scared Trudeau's eyebrows right off of him.. lmao
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Trump scared Trudeau's eyebrows right off of him.. lmao
[twitter=Doranimated/status/1005707571859283969] Fake eyebrows?
Say, maybe this guy isn't even, well, ...a guy? Maybe this is Canada's first transgender Prime Minister? Just imagine the thought process that must have gone behind the search for "fake eyebrows" on the internet, ....or wherever he bought these things. "I'll just put on some fake eyebrows to look more impressive in front of the camera's." Right. Gotcha. Fake eyebrows.
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So what about this 270% on US dairy products?....
So Quebec is like Florida - every PM must pander to this province to win an election. In the case of Quebec - the dairy cartel has lobbied Ottawa to retain tariffs on dairy imports. Long story short - Trudeau is already xxxxed in next years election - but if he gives on the dairy tariffs he might as well resign tomorrow. POTUS dropped a diplomatic MOAB.
That's the honest answer Esto....I was interested to see how Opi would spin it so that it was Trump's fault....
I get it - you want to laugh at Opinionated and needed fresh material. I think Trump wants a strong Canada to work with, and he'll never get it with a snake like Trudeau at the helm. I'm telling you now...he pushing for O'Leary....
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So Quebec is like Florida - every PM must pander to this province to win an election. In the case of Quebec - the dairy cartel has lobbied Ottawa to retain tariffs on dairy imports. Long story short - Trudeau is already xxxxed in next years election - but if he gives on the dairy tariffs he might as well resign tomorrow. POTUS dropped a diplomatic MOAB.
That's the honest answer Esto....I was interested to see how Opi would spin it so that it was Trump's fault....
I get it - you want to laugh at Opinionated and needed fresh material. I think Trump wants a strong Canada to work with, and he'll never get it with a snake like Trudeau at the helm.
I'm telling you now...he pushing for O'Leary.... I listened to that interview as well. That was really interesting.
I'm not sure whether I agree with Trump or not on this one, but he has surely grabbed the attention of Canada and a Prime Minister who is shown to be way in over his head, ...and, frankly, a.....loon. Er, get it? ....
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That's the honest answer Esto....I was interested to see how Opi would spin it so that it was Trump's fault....
I get it - you want to laugh at Opinionated and needed fresh material. I think Trump wants a strong Canada to work with, and he'll never get it with a snake like Trudeau at the helm.
I'm telling you now...he pushing for O'Leary....
I listened to that interview as well. That was really interesting. I'm not sure whether I agree with Trump or not on this one, but he has surely grabbed the attention of Canada and a Prime Minister who is shown to be way in over his head, ...and, frankly, a.....loon. Er, get it? .... Mozart All you got to do Moz is ask yourself the following question....
Trump has now claimed in public a thousand times (for over 4 decades) that the current trade deals are unfair to America.
How many counter-arguments have you seen in the news?
None?
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Since when do we import tobacco and peanuts from Canada?
Where we import them from isn't important. What is important is why we have them. Canada has a 270% tariff on dairy goods because we're right next door, we're ten times their size, and we could easily flood their dairy market with cheap dairy products, destroying their dairy farms. Well, Canadian dairy producers provide about 220k in jobs in Canada, we destroy their dairy market and those people suddenly go unemployed. We also have a 350% tariff on tobacco because our tobacco producers don't want the competition of cheap tobacco coming in from China or India, the two largest tobacco producers in the world. Every country has industries that it protects for various reasons. If we opened up completely free trade without any tariffs, the economies of entire countries would be utterly destroyed because they simply can't produce ANYTHING as cheaply as it can be mass produced somewhere else. Tariffs are only bad when they're abused. An argument can be made that some of our trading partners are abusing their tariffs. That's a fair point and one we should be addressing. But expecting our trading partners to completely open their entire economy is asinine, it's never going to happen and for good reasons. Aren't we the ones complaining about all the jobs we've lost to China and other third world countries? Well that's because we lowered the tariffs on imports from those countries. Are we seriously expecting our trading partners to do exactly what we're bitching about as being a problem with others? I'll tell you right now, Canada, Mexico and the EU will close down trade with the U.S. before they'd willingly abandon all tariffs and let the chips fall where they may for their economies. "Where we import them from isn't important."....And you throw a curve ball....  ....The subject we were debating was Trudeau/Canada.... So, what I hear you saying is that Canada should be willing to wreck its economy by dropping all trade barriers with the U.S., because Canada doesn't produce anything that would wreck the U.S. economy.
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Since when do we import tobacco and peanuts from Canada?
Where we import them from isn't important. What is important is why we have them. Canada has a 270% tariff on dairy goods because we're right next door, we're ten times their size, and we could easily flood their dairy market with cheap dairy products, destroying their dairy farms. Well, Canadian dairy producers provide about 220k in jobs in Canada, we destroy their dairy market and those people suddenly go unemployed. We also have a 350% tariff on tobacco because our tobacco producers don't want the competition of cheap tobacco coming in from China or India, the two largest tobacco producers in the world. Every country has industries that it protects for various reasons. If we opened up completely free trade without any tariffs, the economies of entire countries would be utterly destroyed because they simply can't produce ANYTHING as cheaply as it can be mass produced somewhere else. Tariffs are only bad when they're abused. An argument can be made that some of our trading partners are abusing their tariffs. That's a fair point and one we should be addressing. But expecting our trading partners to completely open their entire economy is asinine, it's never going to happen and for good reasons. Aren't we the ones complaining about all the jobs we've lost to China and other third world countries? Well that's because we lowered the tariffs on imports from those countries. Are we seriously expecting our trading partners to do exactly what we're bitching about as being a problem with others? I'll tell you right now, Canada, Mexico and the EU will close down trade with the U.S. before they'd willingly abandon all tariffs and let the chips fall where they may for their economies. "Where we import them from isn't important."....And you throw a curve ball....  ....The subject we were debating was Trudeau/Canada....
So, what I hear you saying is that Canada should be willing to wreck its economy by dropping all trade barriers with the U.S., because Canada doesn't produce anything that would wreck the U.S. economy. Well that depends .... do you think that upsetting the Quebec apple cart will destroy the "wreck the canadian economy" or just throw Trudeau out of office?
Its pretty clear that Trudeau was doing fine until he completely fecked up.
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Where we import them from isn't important. What is important is why we have them. Canada has a 270% tariff on dairy goods because we're right next door, we're ten times their size, and we could easily flood their dairy market with cheap dairy products, destroying their dairy farms. Well, Canadian dairy producers provide about 220k in jobs in Canada, we destroy their dairy market and those people suddenly go unemployed. We also have a 350% tariff on tobacco because our tobacco producers don't want the competition of cheap tobacco coming in from China or India, the two largest tobacco producers in the world. Every country has industries that it protects for various reasons. If we opened up completely free trade without any tariffs, the economies of entire countries would be utterly destroyed because they simply can't produce ANYTHING as cheaply as it can be mass produced somewhere else. Tariffs are only bad when they're abused. An argument can be made that some of our trading partners are abusing their tariffs. That's a fair point and one we should be addressing. But expecting our trading partners to completely open their entire economy is asinine, it's never going to happen and for good reasons. Aren't we the ones complaining about all the jobs we've lost to China and other third world countries? Well that's because we lowered the tariffs on imports from those countries. Are we seriously expecting our trading partners to do exactly what we're bitching about as being a problem with others? I'll tell you right now, Canada, Mexico and the EU will close down trade with the U.S. before they'd willingly abandon all tariffs and let the chips fall where they may for their economies. "Where we import them from isn't important."....And you throw a curve ball....  ....The subject we were debating was Trudeau/Canada....
So, what I hear you saying is that Canada should be willing to wreck its economy by dropping all trade barriers with the U.S., because Canada doesn't produce anything that would wreck the U.S. economy.
Well that depends .... do you think that upsetting the Quebec apple cart will destroy the "wreck the canadian economy" or just throw Trudeau out of office? Its pretty clear that Trudeau was doing fine until he completely fecked up. You think French President Macron has a thing for Daddy?
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- Jun 9 2018, 10:59 PM
"PM Justin Trudeau of Canada acted so meek and mild during our @G7 meetings only to give a news conference after I left saying that, 'US Tariffs were kind of insulting' and he 'will not be pushed around,'" Trump wrote. "Very dishonest & weak. Our Tariffs are in response to his of 270% on dairy!" So Trudeau did a double-cross and Trump called him on it....Sneaky damn Liberals....
So he pulled a Trump, eh?
So what about this 270% on US dairy products?....
Canada protects their dairy farmers by limiting production internally and limiting imports. This keep dairy prices high in Canada. What is interesting is that the US also limits dairy imports into the US to 3% while Canada imports 10% of its dairy products from the US. I wonder if Trump is willing to give up all the price supports, tariffs and other policies that protect American agriculture like sugar?
Since when do we import sugar from Canada?....Didn't know it was such a large sugar producer.... We limit imports of sugar and protect our domestic industry.
The point is that the U.S. protects more than a few industries through price supports, tariffs and regulations. For us to criticize another country for doing the same is hypocritical at best.
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