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Trump pulls U.S. out of G-7 statement, accuses Trudeau of being 'dishonest'
Topic Started: Jun 9 2018, 09:28 PM (863 Views)
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So what about this 270% on US dairy products?.... :popcorn:
So Quebec is like Florida - every PM must pander to this province to win an election.

In the case of Quebec - the dairy cartel has lobbied Ottawa to retain tariffs on dairy imports. Long story short - Trudeau is already xxxxed in next years election - but if he gives on the dairy tariffs he might as well resign tomorrow.

POTUS dropped a diplomatic MOAB.
That's the honest answer Esto....I was interested to see how Opi would spin it so that it was Trump's fault.... :rollseyes:
I get it - you want to laugh at Opinionated and needed fresh material.

I think Trump wants a strong Canada to work with, and he'll never get it with a snake like Trudeau at the helm.
Trump wants a weak Canada that will bend to his will (such as the one that the Harper government ran into the ground). He couldn't handle being told to go f**k himself.
Wolf Braun had died a fiery death and the Archangel emerged.

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Oh I cannot wait for the man child-in-chief to be booted from the white house. I don't care who replaces him, GOP, DEM or whatever. Hell, I'll take Bush II again.
You'll have to wait till 2025 - and it's doubtful that even then the DNC will have its s**t together (if they exist at all)

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If an election won't kick him out, then there are other options. Impeachment I hear is a good one.
Criminalizing political differences = fascism.
Thinking the impeachment would be for political differences = not thinking s**t through.

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"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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Oh I cannot wait for the man child-in-chief to be booted from the white house. I don't care who replaces him, GOP, DEM or whatever. Hell, I'll take Bush II again.
You'll have to wait till 2025 - and it's doubtful that even then the DNC will have its s**t together (if they exist at all)

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If an election won't kick him out, then there are other options. Impeachment I hear is a good one.
Sounds like you've just been to a Liberal rally.... :rollseyes:
Nope, been working. :cheers:
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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Jun 9 2018, 09:36 PM
Trudeau isn’t a friend worth having.
you're rapidly ending up with no friend, worth having plus not worth having - way to go, Trump!

Trump isn't happy negotiating with advanced democracies - he prefers dictators, which says a lot about Trump, now, doesn't it

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H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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So Quebec is like Florida - every PM must pander to this province to win an election.

In the case of Quebec - the dairy cartel has lobbied Ottawa to retain tariffs on dairy imports. Long story short - Trudeau is already xxxxed in next years election - but if he gives on the dairy tariffs he might as well resign tomorrow.

POTUS dropped a diplomatic MOAB.
That's the honest answer Esto....I was interested to see how Opi would spin it so that it was Trump's fault.... :rollseyes:
I get it - you want to laugh at Opinionated and needed fresh material.

I think Trump wants a strong Canada to work with, and he'll never get it with a snake like Trudeau at the helm.
Trump wants a weak Canada that will bend to his will (such as the one that the Harper government ran into the ground). He couldn't handle being told to go f**k himself.
Canada was weak before Trump took office .
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Oh I cannot wait for the man child-in-chief to be booted from the white house. I don't care who replaces him, GOP, DEM or whatever. Hell, I'll take Bush II again.
You'll have to wait till 2025 - and it's doubtful that even then the DNC will have its s**t together (if they exist at all)

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If an election won't kick him out, then there are other options. Impeachment I hear is a good one.
Criminalizing political differences = fascism.
Thinking the impeachment would be for political differences = not thinking s**t through.

:cheers:
It is though .....

and Trump won't be impeached, this is a new paradigm that you will have to deal with for the foreseeable future.
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Jun 11 2018, 07:19 AM
It is though .....

and Trump won't be impeached, this is a new paradigm that you will have to deal with for the foreseeable future.
Yep....

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It is though .....

and Trump won't be impeached, this is a new paradigm that you will have to deal with for the foreseeable future.
Yep....

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You do understand that if a trade agreement doesn't benefit all those involved, there will be no agreement, right? Trump isn't going to successfully negotiate a change in the trade agreements so that the U.S. gains all the advantages and everyone else takes it in the shorts.
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It is though .....

and Trump won't be impeached, this is a new paradigm that you will have to deal with for the foreseeable future.
Yep....

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You do understand that if a trade agreement doesn't benefit all those involved, there will be no agreement, right? Trump isn't going to successfully negotiate a change in the trade agreements so that the U.S. gains all the advantages and everyone else takes it in the shorts.
Brah,,,you really have no clue what's going on or what Trump is doing do you.....

President Trump affirms the U.S. position to use targeted tariffs to assert reciprocity as the trade standard. Free and fair trade is the goal via removing tariffs and non trade barriers....

In the past 25 years all manufacturing and investment into Mexico and Canada has been reliant on their position to exploit the NAFTA loophole; the backdoor access to the U.S. market. If Trump shuts down that loophole, and brings the manufacturing and assembly back to the U.S., investment North and South of the U.S. border will drop exponentially and the Canadian and Mexican economies will likely shrink rapidly.

Overlaying this economic threat is politics. President Trump is an economic nationalist, who understands -with great specificity- how U.S. market access has been exploited to enrich multiple nations not just Mexico and Canada. Trudeau and Chrystia are economic globalists; parasites who have an inherent outlook that is not about doing the harder work of establishing self-sufficient economic models, but rather exploiting opportunities to take advantage of positioning. In essence: conservatism -vs- liberalism.

To retain their political place they must remove the threat to their constructs. President Trrump is an existential threat to the EU, Canada and Mexican economic schemes. There are trillions of dollars at stake. Thus Chrystia Freeland and the EU Trade Commissioner Cecelia Malström call themselves “sisters in trade“. The only weapon they have to use against President Trump is politics. That approach is why all retaliatory measures on tariffs pour through the primary filter of politics.

Do you remember the list of items the dynamic duo Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland selected as targets for their counter-tariff position? Check it out here. What do: “felt pens”, “rubber boats”, “orange juice” and “tomato ketchup” have to do with the U.S. steel and aluminum tariffs? See The Answer HERE. In short, “politics”.

Using politics as a weapon is the primary counter strategy of Justin and Chrystia. The use of politics to attack U.S. President Trump is a deliberate strategy, and by taking that approach they find ideological allies, who also have a financial self-preservation interest, around the world. Diminishing President Trump at every opportunity, and leveraging the ideological support of the left-wing media, is part of that strategy.

That’s what happened in Charlevoix, Canada at the G7. Team Trump was lured into an Machiavellian political trap to give enhanced authenticity to Justin and Chrystia. President Trump’s team members entered into the discussion in good faith; however once Justin and Chrystia had what they needed, their larger objective of destroying the threat went back to work.

I have no doubt, President Trump knew the G7 scheme was all a ruse from the outset.

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Trudeau isn’t a friend worth having.
you're rapidly ending up with no friend, worth having plus not worth having - way to go, Trump!

Trump isn't happy negotiating with advanced democracies - he prefers dictators, which says a lot about Trump, now, doesn't it

Cheers
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Trump gets along with Abe, Orban, Putin, Poland, and Italy.

We don’t need the friendship of white guilt liberals.
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Yeah, I'm not buying what you're selling.
Of course you're not....libs are rarely pro-American....

This short video might help you understand though....

[twitter=MightyBusterBro/status/1006022394148937728]
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Yeah, I'm not buying what you're selling.
Of course you're not....libs are rarely pro-American....

This short video might help you understand though....

[twitter=MightyBusterBro/status/1006022394148937728]
I don't see Trump's moves as pro-America. I don't see starting a trade war that may very well lead to a global recession as pro-America.

Blindly demanding that people give you concessions isn't a negotiating tactic and it's not pro-America either.
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Yeah, I'm not buying what you're selling.
Of course you're not....libs are rarely pro-American....

This short video might help you understand though....

[twitter=MightyBusterBro/status/1006022394148937728]
I don't see Trump's moves as pro-America. I don't see starting a trade war that may very well lead to a global recession as pro-America.

Blindly demanding that people give you concessions isn't a negotiating tactic and it's not pro-America either.
Do you have evidence to support your conclusions?

Understand the US has been giving concessions to the rest of the world for decades
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Yeah, I'm not buying what you're selling.
Of course you're not....libs are rarely pro-American....

This short video might help you understand though....

[twitter=MightyBusterBro/status/1006022394148937728]
I don't see Trump's moves as pro-America. I don't see starting a trade war that may very well lead to a global recession as pro-America.

Blindly demanding that people give you concessions isn't a negotiating tactic and it's not pro-America either.
Blindly?

:rotflmao:
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First, the essential problem with NAFTA was an evolution over time. In its current form NAFTA became an exploited doorway into the coveted U.S. market. Asian economic interests, large multinational corporations, invested in Mexico and Canada as a way to work around any direct trade deals with the U.S.

By shipping parts to Mexico and/or Canada; and by deploying satellite manufacturing and assembly facilities in Canada and/or Mexico; China, Asia and to a lesser extent EU corporations exploited a loophole. Through a process of building, assembling or manufacturing their products in Mexico/Canada those foreign corporations can skirt U.S. trade tariffs and direct U.S. trade agreements. The finished foreign products entered the U.S. under NAFTA rules.

Why deal with the U.S. when you can just deal with Mexico, and use NAFTA rules to ship your product directly into the U.S. market?

This exploitative approach, a backdoor to the U.S. market, was the primary reason for massive foreign investment in Canada and Mexico; it was also the primary reason why candidate Donald Trump, now President Donald Trump, wanted to shut down that loophole and renegotiate NAFTA.

This loophole was the primary reason for U.S. manufacturers to relocate operations to Mexico. Corporations within the U.S. Auto-Sector could enhance profits by building in Mexico or Canada using parts imported from Asia/China. The labor factor was not as big a part of the overall cost consideration as cheaper parts and imported raw materials.

If you understand the reason why U.S. companies benefited from those moves, you can begin to understand if the U.S. was going to remain inside NAFTA President Trump would have remained engaged in TPP.

As soon as President Trump withdrew from TPP the problem with the Canada and Mexico loophole grew. All corporations from TPP nations would now have an option to exploit the same NAFTA loophole.

Why ship directly to the U.S., or manufacturer inside the U.S., when you could just assemble in Mexico and Canada and use NAFTA to bring your products to the ultimate goal, the massive U.S. market?

From the POTUS Trump position, NAFTA always came down to two options:

Option #1 – renegotiate the NAFTA trade agreement to eliminate the loopholes. That would require Canada and Mexico to agree to very specific rules put into the agreement by the U.S. that would remove the ability of third-party nations to exploit the current trade loophole. Essentially the U.S. rules would be structured around removing any profit motive with regard to building in Canada or Mexico and shipping into the U.S.

Canada and Mexico would have to agree to those rules; the goal of the rules would be to stop third-party nations from exploiting NAFTA. The problem in this option is the exploitation of NAFTA currently benefits Canada and Mexico. It is against their interests to remove it. Knowing it was against their interests President Trump never thought it was likely Canada or Mexico would ever agree. But he was willing to explore and find out.

Option #2 – Exit NAFTA. And subsequently deal with Canada and Mexico individually with structured trade agreements about their imports. Canada and Mexico could do as they please, but each U.S. bi-lateral trade agreement would be written with language removing the aforementioned cost-benefit-analysis to third-party countries (same as in option #1.)

All nuanced trade-sector issues put aside, the larger issue is always how third-party nations will seek to gain access to the U.S. market through Canada and Mexico. [It is the NAFTA exploitation loophole which has severely damaged the U.S. manufacturing base.]

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Yeah, I'm not buying what you're selling.
Of course you're not....libs are rarely pro-American....

This short video might help you understand though....

[twitter=MightyBusterBro/status/1006022394148937728]
I don't see Trump's moves as pro-America. I don't see starting a trade war that may very well lead to a global recession as pro-America.

Blindly demanding that people give you concessions isn't a negotiating tactic and it's not pro-America either.
Blindly?

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Yup, blindly.
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That's the honest answer Esto....I was interested to see how Opi would spin it so that it was Trump's fault.... :rollseyes:
I get it - you want to laugh at Opinionated and needed fresh material.

I think Trump wants a strong Canada to work with, and he'll never get it with a snake like Trudeau at the helm.
Trump wants a weak Canada that will bend to his will (such as the one that the Harper government ran into the ground). He couldn't handle being told to go f**k himself.
Canada was weak before Trump took office .
Yep....and now...

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