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US Army quietly discharging immigrant recruits
Topic Started: Jul 6 2018, 01:52 AM (335 Views)
Hughmac

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Jul 8 2018, 02:47 PM
The reason more foreign born are discharged is because their background cannot be verified.
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Hughmac
Jul 10 2018, 03:07 AM
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Jul 8 2018, 02:47 PM
The reason more foreign born are discharged is because their background cannot be verified.
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Fifty or so recruits does not seem to rise to a crisis level. The best I can tell is that these folks were permitted to enter the military pending their background checks, which means it was conditional and no promises were made. Who knows what it is, but something obviously turned up a red flag, either through associations or conflicting answers etc. :dunno:

BTW It was the Obama administration that first implemented enhanced background checks for MAVNI recruits, while at the same time opening the program to DACA dreamers. then in 2016 shut it down for security reasons, thus leaving these people in limbo.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mavni-program-discharging-recruits-promised-path-to-us-citizenship/

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But then in September 2016, Obama froze MAVNI over national security concerns. The Pentagon worried that some recruits could potentially have connections to terrorist organizations or foreign spy agencies. Recruits were also booted out during the Obama years.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/17540114/immigrants-discharged-kicked-military-daca

I personally think that a military service pathway to citizenship is a great idea. However it should not come without a detailed vetting process to determine whether those individuals pose a security risk.
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There are a number of things here that need to be looked at but I doubt Trump can be blamed for these discharges.

From the original article:

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To become citizens, the service members need an honorable service designation, which can come after even just a few days at boot camp. But the recently discharged service members have had their basic training delayed, so they can't be naturalized.


What this tells me is that (despite what is implied by the title of the article) most if not all of these people are not actually in the Army or any military branch. As I have previously stated, the current process for enlistment is rather lengthy and just because you signed papers and took an initial oath you are NOT in the military. I remember my son's recruiter lamenting how many people he had that he got signed up but who then failed due to the background check or other item.

You are not in the Army until you get on the bus an go to boot camp. Even then, you can be dropped at any moment and people do leave all the time. I think my son's basic training company lost about 5 people. One of them just left, others just could not hack it. These were people who were actually in the military and who were actively going through boot camp. The majority if not all of the people in question here were not on active duty at all. They were awaiting being assigned to basic training. That waiting period is when they run all of the background and medical checks on you. People sometimes wait many, many months to get sent to basic depending on what their MOS was supposed to be. I know someone who was going into the navy as a nurse that had to wait 14 months for a billet in basic training. So, even though she had signed papers and taken an oath, she was not in the military officially.

For the people who were in the reserves that the discharged, that is a little different and I would have to see more specific details of their case. My guess though is that all of this was internal to the military and had nothing to do with Trump.
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As I said, the cases where people are in the reserves and get this type of discharge probably need to be reviewed.

This evidently stems from a Mattis policy memo from last year that requires all recruits to pass a background check before they go to boot camp. Here is an Army Times article on the situation.

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/07/08/immigrant-phd-candidate-rocked-by-sudden-us-army-discharge/

The whole thing reminds me of this.

https://youtu.be/sQ_4m2ocxhI
Edited by Demagogue, Yesterday, 10:40 AM.
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More background on this story.

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/05/03/naturalizations-drop-65-percent-for-service-members-seeking-citizenship-after-mattis-memo/

Naturalizations drop 65 percent for service members seeking citizenship after Mattis memo

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The number of service members applying for and earning U.S. citizenship through military service has dropped 65 percent since Defense Secretary Jim Mattis directed additional background checks for non-citizen troops, Military Times has found.

In October 2017, Mattis directed policy changes, linked below, that added additional reviews of non-citizen service members and extended time in service before they could receive necessary paperwork to pursue naturalization. In the first set of data available since the new policy, the number of applicants dropped from 3,132 in the last quarter of fiscal year 2017 to 1,069 in the first quarter of fiscal year 2018, the most recent data available.

The number of service members approved to become naturalized U.S. citizens dropped from 2,123 in the last quarter of fiscal year 2017, which ended Sept. 30, to 755 in the first quarter of fiscal year 2018, which ended Dec. 31, according to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, or USCIS, agency, which tracks the data.

Non-citizen recruits from that date on have faced additional security reviews prior to entry into the active, Reserve or Guard forces. Now, upon enlistment, any non-citizen service members who seek citizenship must serve at least 180 days, some face another round of screening; and all have had to get a critical form in the process, an N-426 “Request for Certification of Military or Naval Service,” approved by an O-6-level officer or higher, instead of at their personnel office.
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