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Topic Started: Mar 23 2016, 12:57 PM (2,218 Views)
Attaburnsinhell

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Mar 23 2016, 01:40 PM
estonianman
Mar 23 2016, 01:39 PM
OffensivelyOpenMinded
Mar 23 2016, 01:36 PM

Whether Donald gets in or Hillary gets in, things will change.



That's what they said about Obama
And they did, really badly. Trump will be right wing Obama. Think about it...
Explain, please, how things have gotten ''really bad'' because of Obama

I hear righting while say this a lot, that the country has been ''destroyed'', yet I see no evidence of any destruction

So go ahead, enlighten us
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Mar 23 2016, 04:34 PM
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Mar 23 2016, 04:23 PM
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Mar 23 2016, 04:18 PM

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Some admit that it is a necessary evil - you just avoid reality like a flat earther. Amazing.

You have to assimilate yourself into the government template, or else risk jail or death.

Millions of people deal with this reality daily.
Vigilance is a good thing. Paranoia is not.

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Mar 23 2016, 04:40 PM
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And they did, really badly. Trump will be right wing Obama. Think about it...
Explain, please, how things have gotten ''really bad'' because of Obama

I hear righting while say this a lot, that the country has been ''destroyed'', yet I see no evidence of any destruction

So go ahead, enlighten us
I agree with you - Obama is just going with the flow.

Debt has doubled - but credit still abounds.

Demand side economics baby!!!
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Mar 23 2016, 04:43 PM
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Vigilance is a good thing. Paranoia is not.

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That's the United States!

Well I'll be darned. :rollseyes:
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Mar 23 2016, 04:44 PM
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That's the United States!

Well I'll be darned. :rollseyes:
You implied that dissenters of government are irrational and delusional.

So are you saying the Chinese are exempt from that criticism? What's the difference?
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Mar 23 2016, 04:46 PM
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That's the United States!

Well I'll be darned. :rollseyes:
You implied that dissenters of government are irrational and delusional.

So are you saying the Chinese are exempt from that criticism? What's the difference?
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"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."
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That's the United States!

Well I'll be darned. :rollseyes:
You implied that dissenters of government are irrational and delusional.

So are you saying the Chinese are exempt from that criticism? What's the difference?
I implied no such thing.

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Well played, Esto. I'm just trying to get these folks up to speed on what the government is....violence. Once they can admit that, perhaps we can have meaningful conversations about what is and isn't worth giving permission to the government to kill, kidnap, or ruin livliehoods.

You've been here longer than I, do you think that will ever happen on this site?
"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."
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Mar 23 2016, 04:58 PM
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You implied that dissenters of government are irrational and delusional.

So are you saying the Chinese are exempt from that criticism? What's the difference?
I implied no such thing.

You absolutely did. You generalized folks cautious of government as "paranoid".

Are you denying the official definition of the word?



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Mar 23 2016, 05:00 PM
Well played, Esto. I'm just trying to get these folks up to speed on what the government is....violence. Once they can admit that, perhaps we can have meaningful conversations about what is and isn't worth giving permission to the government to kill, kidnap, or ruin livliehoods.

You've been here longer than I, do you think that will ever happen on this site?
Eventually. But you have quite a few that will never admit to statism being a word.

It is generally assumed that everyone is a statist here.
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Mar 23 2016, 05:20 PM
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I implied no such thing.

You absolutely did. You generalized folks cautious of government as "paranoid".

Are you denying the official definition of the word?



Caution and/or vigilance is not equal to outright paranoia and unreasonable fear.

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Mar 23 2016, 05:22 PM
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Well played, Esto. I'm just trying to get these folks up to speed on what the government is....violence. Once they can admit that, perhaps we can have meaningful conversations about what is and isn't worth giving permission to the government to kill, kidnap, or ruin livliehoods.

You've been here longer than I, do you think that will ever happen on this site?
Eventually. But you have quite a few that will never admit to statism being a word.

It is generally assumed that everyone is a statist here.
I don't understand why it's so hard to admit the obvious? But it is for some people I guess.
"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."
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Mar 23 2016, 05:30 PM
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You absolutely did. You generalized folks cautious of government as "paranoid".

Are you denying the official definition of the word?



Caution and/or vigilance is not equal to outright paranoia and unreasonable fear.

paranoid - is being irrational and delusional.

Your exact words.
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Mar 23 2016, 05:30 PM
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You absolutely did. You generalized folks cautious of government as "paranoid".

Are you denying the official definition of the word?



Caution and/or vigilance is not equal to outright paranoia and unreasonable fear.

Stating the fact of government and democracy being a form of violence is not paranoia. It is simply the adult way of viewing the government for what it actually is.

You keep calling that definition "paranoia" without qualifying your statement. How is it paranoia to recognize that government's power is based upon the threat of violence?
"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."
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Mar 23 2016, 05:31 PM
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Mar 23 2016, 05:22 PM
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Well played, Esto. I'm just trying to get these folks up to speed on what the government is....violence. Once they can admit that, perhaps we can have meaningful conversations about what is and isn't worth giving permission to the government to kill, kidnap, or ruin livliehoods.

You've been here longer than I, do you think that will ever happen on this site?
Eventually. But you have quite a few that will never admit to statism being a word.

It is generally assumed that everyone is a statist here.
I don't understand why it's so hard to admit the obvious? But it is for some people I guess.
Its like the atheist that goes to Sunday school to start a debate.

good luck.
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Mar 23 2016, 05:35 PM
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I don't understand why it's so hard to admit the obvious? But it is for some people I guess.
Its like the atheist that goes to Sunday school to start a debate.<br /><br />good luck.
estonianman
Mar 23 2016, 05:35 PM
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I don't understand why it's so hard to admit the obvious? But it is for some people I guess.
Its like the atheist that goes to Sunday school to start a debate.

good luck.
This is why I say leftism is Statolatry, the worship of the State.
"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."
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Caution and/or vigilance is not equal to outright paranoia and unreasonable fear.

Stating the fact of government and democracy being a form of violence is not paranoia. It is simply the adult way of viewing the government for what it actually is.

You keep calling that definition "paranoia" without qualifying your statement. How is it paranoia to recognize that government's power is based upon the threat of violence?
Because this government is not based on a threat of violence.

Enforcement does not automatically presume or insist on violence.

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Caution and/or vigilance is not equal to outright paranoia and unreasonable fear.

paranoid - is being irrational and delusional.

Your exact words.
Irrational and delusional are key elements of paranoia

Vigilance, caution and awareness are not unless taken to irrational and delusional extremes.


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Stating the fact of government and democracy being a form of violence is not paranoia. It is simply the adult way of viewing the government for what it actually is.

You keep calling that definition "paranoia" without qualifying your statement. How is it paranoia to recognize that government's power is based upon the threat of violence?
Because this government is not based on a threat of violence.

Enforcement does not automatically presume or insist on violence.

This is absolutely untrue. In fact a "social contract" was manifested to deal with this - implying a legal bind of the individual to the state.

Contracts are enforced by violence.
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