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Topic Started: Mar 23 2016, 12:57 PM (2,217 Views)
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paranoid - is being irrational and delusional.

Your exact words.
Irrational and delusional are key elements of paranoia

Vigilance, caution and awareness are not unless taken to irrational and delusional extremes.


You said - in this very thread that people that dissent or fear government are "paranoid".

No?
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Because this government is not based on a threat of violence.

Enforcement does not automatically presume or insist on violence.

This is absolutely untrue. In fact a "social contract" was manifested to deal with this - implying a legal bind of the individual to the state.

Contracts are enforced by violence.
Contracts are enforced by good faith and in absentia of that the law, not violence.

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This is absolutely untrue. In fact a "social contract" was manifested to deal with this - implying a legal bind of the individual to the state.

Contracts are enforced by violence.
Contracts are enforced by good faith and in absentia of that the law, not violence.

Contracts can only be enforced by the threat of violence should you not abide by the terms. You can't get around it.
Edited by OffensivelyOpenMinded, Mar 23 2016, 06:00 PM.
"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."
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This is absolutely untrue. In fact a "social contract" was manifested to deal with this - implying a legal bind of the individual to the state.

Contracts are enforced by violence.
Contracts are enforced by good faith and in absentia of that the law, not violence.



Do you also think private property is enforced by good faith?
Edited by estonianman, Mar 23 2016, 06:01 PM.
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Irrational and delusional are key elements of paranoia

Vigilance, caution and awareness are not unless taken to irrational and delusional extremes.


You said - in this very thread that people that dissent or fear government are "paranoid".

No?
No, not quite.

Go back and read the replies I made and to what.


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Contracts are enforced by good faith and in absentia of that the law, not violence.



Do you also think private property is enforced by good faith?
Specify.
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Stating the fact of government and democracy being a form of violence is not paranoia. It is simply the adult way of viewing the government for what it actually is.

You keep calling that definition "paranoia" without qualifying your statement. How is it paranoia to recognize that government's power is based upon the threat of violence?
Because this government is not based on a threat of violence.

Enforcement does not automatically presume or insist on violence.

But it is and it does.
Edited by OffensivelyOpenMinded, Mar 23 2016, 06:04 PM.
"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."
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You said - in this very thread that people that dissent or fear government are "paranoid".

No?
No, not quite.

Go back and read the replies I made and to what.


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If you believe that then you are among the paranoid.


Replying to a statement made OOM that government is force.
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Because this government is not based on a threat of violence.

Enforcement does not automatically presume or insist on violence.

But it is and it does.
Which takes us back to paranoia.

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No, not quite.

Go back and read the replies I made and to what.


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If you believe that then you are among the paranoid.


Replying to a statement made OOM that government is force.
And I stand by that reply.
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If you believe that then you are among the paranoid.


Replying to a statement made OOM that government is force.
And I stand by that reply.
Fecking circles man - you do this in every debate.

A statist with at least a modicum of logic knows that they are supporting a necessary evil.
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But it is and it does.
Which takes us back to paranoia.

I think youre just afraid to look at this logically because it will shatter your worldview. Being a leftist keeps you safe & makes you feel like you are a good and moral person. But once you have to admit that government is the threat of violence and that everything you thought you were doing was the right thing is actually backed up with the barrel of the government gun and the threat to use it...you might have to reexamine your beliefs.

Nobody likes doing that, so I don't blame you. But if you prize being seen as good, moral, and just is your thing....and actually being all of those things...you're on the wrong side of the political spectrum.

Edited by OffensivelyOpenMinded, Mar 23 2016, 06:20 PM.
"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."
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Mar 23 2016, 05:00 PM
Well played, Esto. I'm just trying to get these folks up to speed on what the government is....violence. Once they can admit that, perhaps we can have meaningful conversations about what is and isn't worth giving permission to the government to kill, kidnap, or ruin livliehoods.

You've been here longer than I, do you think that will ever happen on this site?

Coming from someone who supports an authoritarian like Trump who encourages his own brownshirts to beat on people at his rallies, and promote a police state against a religion, another example of being anti-government until your own thugs are in charge
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I support using the weapon of government for revenge and eventual purges of leftist scum. We can't start shrinking government until we get rid of the parasitism which is leftism from this country.
"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."
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I support using the weapon of government for revenge and eventual purges of leftist scum. We can't start shrinking government until we get rid of the parasitism which is leftism from this country.
People who think like you should be doused in lighter fluid and be chased by someone with a lighter
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And I stand by that reply.
Fecking circles man - you do this in every debate.

A statist with at least a modicum of logic knows that they are supporting a necessary evil.
If you want to motivate your translations into my statements than that is on you.

Again, I stand by that reply and since it's America you are free to misrepresent it anyway you like.

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Which takes us back to paranoia.

I think youre just afraid to look at this logically because it will shatter your worldview. Being a leftist keeps you safe & makes you feel like you are a good and moral person. But once you have to admit that government is the threat of violence and that everything you thought you were doing was the right thing is actually backed up with the barrel of the government gun and the threat to use it...you might have to reexamine your beliefs.

Nobody likes doing that, so I don't blame you. But if you prize being seen as good, moral, and just is your thing....and actually being all of those things...you're on the wrong side of the political spectrum.

Don't know what to say to your theory except, nope!

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I support using the weapon of government for revenge and eventual purges of leftist scum. We can't start shrinking government until we get rid of the parasitism which is leftism from this country.
Tolling much?

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I think youre just afraid to look at this logically because it will shatter your worldview. Being a leftist keeps you safe & makes you feel like you are a good and moral person. But once you have to admit that government is the threat of violence and that everything you thought you were doing was the right thing is actually backed up with the barrel of the government gun and the threat to use it...you might have to reexamine your beliefs.

Nobody likes doing that, so I don't blame you. But if you prize being seen as good, moral, and just is your thing....and actually being all of those things...you're on the wrong side of the political spectrum.

Don't know what to say to your theory except, nope!

Is government a necessary evil?
"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."
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I support using the weapon of government for revenge and eventual purges of leftist scum. We can't start shrinking government until we get rid of the parasitism which is leftism from this country.
Tolling much?

I'm being provocative, not trolling.
"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it."
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