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| Someone thought this was a good idea: Mississippi Senate passes bill allowing churches to form militias; Perhaps the scariest part is how relatively easy it is to join a "church security team" and bring your gun to mass | |
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| dcbl | Apr 1 2016, 03:59 PM Post #21 |
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so, I threw this out there for some guys in Mississippi to tell me what the deal was with this law 2 things: 1 - the law in Mississippi RIGHT NOW prohibits firearms from being in a church or place of worship - PERIOD (no guns at church or withing so many feet or yards, much like school "drug free zones") - primary focus of this bill is to change that so that churches can legally have armed security 2 - we are not really talking "militias" here, the secondary focus of the law is to create another layer of protection for these security guards by defining what constitutes "justifiable homicide" Here is a link to the actual bill. |
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| Ronin | Apr 1 2016, 04:04 PM Post #22 |
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Don't know why anyone would have a problem with this. |
| The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. | |
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| ringotuna | Apr 1 2016, 04:21 PM Post #23 |
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They're not gonna read the bill dcbl. But they'll piss themselves over what some left wing jiz rag tells them is in the bill. |
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| ringotuna | Apr 2 2016, 08:09 AM Post #24 |
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Funny idnit? How quiet things get when someone drops a few fact bombs on the thread?
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| ringotuna | Apr 2 2016, 08:26 AM Post #25 |
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CT or someone will be here soon to try and polish this turd of a thread. |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 2 2016, 08:26 AM Post #26 |
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I read the bill. It seems to offer a blanket of immunity for responsibility to any member of the organized security of any church for any civil liability that might occur when they use their guns. There is the real chance that these rent-a-cop cowboys shoot someone over a grudge on some fine Sunday morning. It wouldn't be the first time. Read section 2. It reminds me of the sometimes unfortunate results of the "stand your ground" legislation that some folks take to unwarranted extremes from time to time. Later on in the bill it mentions qualifications of the armed security volunteers and specifically comes to the point of alcohol use. At sec3.108 it details just how much a drunkard you can be and uses some pretty subjective guidelines to allow someone to be qualified. That just a couple of things that I noticed in a few minutes of reading. I'm sure there are a number of other questionable points in the bill. Ps.. I just saw tunas post...funny. Glad I don't go to church in Mississippi.... It's as unsafe as walking too close to some goobers yard in Florida. Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 2 2016, 08:30 AM.
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| ringotuna | Apr 2 2016, 08:42 AM Post #27 |
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I'd love to take credit for the foresight in predicting your actions, but I'm not as deceitful as the OP with all this "MIlitia" bullshyte. I noticed you were posting and jumped in before you could do your business.
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 2 2016, 08:44 AM Post #28 |
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You so clever.....
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 2 2016, 09:13 AM Post #29 |
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I would like to talk about whether this bill will allow all houses of worship to have legal sanction to gun up? Would that include storefront churches with Internet blessed preachers? Tents? Street corner evangelists? ..... How about non Christian houses of worship? They would also be enabled to arm up. How many faux churches are there that use religion as a shield? How many fringe cults consider themselves a legitimate church? Plenty. Now they get a legal protection that may or may not be warranted? There isn't any definition of what constitutes a church in the thirty pages of text I read...maybe I missed it. Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 2 2016, 09:13 AM.
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| Archangel | Apr 2 2016, 06:48 PM Post #30 |
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This will make the Westboro Baptists happy. Now they can shoot counter-protesters... |
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Wolf Braun had died a fiery death and the Archangel emerged. Hey, guys. | |
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| Coast2coast | Apr 2 2016, 08:27 PM Post #31 |
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The way it used to be:![]() ![]() The dream church of today ![]() ![]() Piece be with you. Edited by Coast2coast, Apr 2 2016, 08:30 PM.
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| ringotuna | Apr 3 2016, 06:23 AM Post #32 |
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I would like to talk about where in the bill it says churches are sanctioned to form militias. You know? The thread topic? |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 3 2016, 06:33 AM Post #33 |
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Militia might be a strong word, wannabe militia may be more accurate... I prefer a clustf**k or Keystone Cops sort of name for the idea. You know...the real truth of the matter. Give three azzhats a gun in a Denny's and ya got yourself a militia if you ask them. |
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| ringotuna | Apr 3 2016, 07:00 AM Post #34 |
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"Militia" is a lie, projected by antagonistic propagandists to feed the bigoted masses. Government offices, private businesses, even many public and private schools have much more heavily armed and organized security that what this bill allows for churches. Yet we don't hear much yapping about that. Do we? |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 3 2016, 07:08 AM Post #35 |
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It isn't a lie, it is an exaggeration. Just as this false indignation you are displaying. Just like those dopes that join up with a few buddies to make 'murka right call themselves a militia. |
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| ringotuna | Apr 3 2016, 07:11 AM Post #36 |
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Trust me CT, my indignation towards lies and those who tell them, is not at all false. This is a hack piece, no matter how you try to explain it away. |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 3 2016, 07:21 AM Post #37 |
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It is an opinionated piece. Too harshly opinionated in your eyes. I think you are taking it too close to heart. The legislation has enough holes in it to warrant a cynical look and cynical looks develop cynical reporting. While calling a ragtag gaggle of church ladies using firearm a militia is a little over the top, it isn't because they don't want to be a militia. That is a name they don't deserve though. The legislation gives them immunity from a good amount of civil damage their shooting might cause. It also does a terrible job of qualifying such things a alcohol or drug use by making it a very subjective bar to reach. Another failure in the bill is the lack of definition of what they consider to be a church. I'm no lawyer, but I saw those holes immediately. Legislation that poorly written deserves harsh critique, calling the results a "militia" isn't as harsh as it could have been. They aren't a militia, but I'm sure they think they are. Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 3 2016, 07:24 AM.
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 3 2016, 07:27 AM Post #38 |
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Tuna...Let me ask you... In place of "militia" what would you prefer they called these church going security teams? |
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| ringotuna | Apr 3 2016, 07:28 AM Post #39 |
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. It's good that you recognize the lie in the OP, (that it's not a militia) but somewhat pretentious of you to project what you think they think they are. |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 3 2016, 07:29 AM Post #40 |
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What would you prefer they called this faux militia? |
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