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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 5 2016, 12:40 AM (1,777 Views) | |
| Harambe4Trump | Apr 5 2016, 12:40 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.vox.com/2016/4/4/11346078/donald-trump-support are fundamentally two different reasons why I want to vote for Trump. The shorter, smaller answer is because I realize that his two biggest issues — immigration and trade — will effectively define this nation in profound ways, and time is running out on both. As I see it, the two most obvious causes of wage stagnation, particularly at the lower ends of income, are outsourcing and flooding the market with labor. In this case, labor that by virtue of being illegal circumvents minimum wage laws and virtually all worker protection laws. Not to mention the absurdity of essentially placing American workers in a position of having to live eight to a shipping container and only being able to afford fast food for breakfast, lunch, and dinner if they "want to compete on a global level." Edited by Harambe4Trump, Apr 5 2016, 12:40 AM.
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Harambe4Trump | Apr 5 2016, 12:53 AM Post #2 |
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If it is conservative, what has it conserved? I am not asking rhetorically. Has the GOP done anything significant that its constituents have actually wanted (and not simply told by the donor class that they should want) since, and including, the Eisenhower administration? People can only be ignored for so long, and the party elites can only live in their little bubbles for so long before a candidate like Trump emerges. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Jesus Lover | Apr 5 2016, 01:33 AM Post #3 |
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Resorting to tariffs will only serve to lessen the strength of American industry. There is nothing wrong with an import export deficit. |
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| Harambe4Trump | Apr 5 2016, 08:00 AM Post #4 |
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Tariffs worked fine in the nineteenth century when America became the world's manufacturing powerhouse. The convuluted faux tariffs of Japan work just as well. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Jesus Lover | Apr 5 2016, 11:37 AM Post #5 |
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Let me address this in several points. 1. Tariffs, even if they were effective at helping the economy, are ridiculous because of the tensions they cause with other nations. We put a tariff on car parts, China puts a tariff on electronics. It ends up as a tit for tat race of each country effectively trying to gain an advantage over the other. The possibility for war increases and any good relations are ruined. 2. People are harmed by tariffs. Whether manufacturers who are ruined as other countries instill tariffs on their goods... Americans don't buy enough products to solely prop up American companies; or people are hurt because of rising prices, nobody wins in a trade war. 3. They are based on faulty economics. An import/export deficit, is not a bad thing, and since we are the world currency we actually gain greatly based on this deficit. Further the investment n our nation of foreign dollars far exceeds foreign investment in other nations and therefore we need not worry. 4. The ethics involved are ridiculous. Free trade is the best quantifiable way in which to increase freedom and prosperity around the globe. While our current global markets are imperfect, heading back to Mercantilism will only hurt us in the end. Even further it will destroy developing nations, who won't find a market for their products. Not to mention stop any progress China has made in becoming a free nation |
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| Harambe4Trump | Apr 5 2016, 01:31 PM Post #6 |
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American policy should prioritize the freedom and prosperity of America, not China. This country has a massive trade imbalance with China as a consequence of a trade war being fought by one side. The entry of the other party into the war will bring balance. Free trade has denuded small town after small town of its industry and prosperity only to leave wastelands behind. Free trade wasn't practiced by this country on its path to greatness. Japan built its economy based on trade surplus, which was copied by S Korea. Don't be daft. Your college professors preach free trade because American Degrees are one of the few exports this country has. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Tsalagi | Apr 5 2016, 02:07 PM Post #7 |
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That policy may have worked when you had companies were solely "American" but with most of the average to large size corporations being "multi-national", hurting one part of a company has a ripple effect on the rest. |
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| Harambe4Trump | Apr 5 2016, 02:25 PM Post #8 |
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We're a large market. They will adapt to benefit America or American small businesses will spring up and replace them. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Jesus Lover | Apr 6 2016, 01:01 AM Post #9 |
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Trade imbalances are not a bad thing. Period end of story. Foreign direct investment in America more than makes up for it |
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| Jesus Lover | Apr 6 2016, 01:02 AM Post #10 |
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| Harambe4Trump | Apr 6 2016, 07:09 AM Post #11 |
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That's a fifth grade argument that obfuscates the nature of America's trade imbalances as the manner whereby China lends us money to buy their cheap goods while the industrial heartland is gutted. Did you even take economics? |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Drudge X | Apr 6 2016, 11:52 AM Post #12 |
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So you are saying Americans sending money to China so China can buy America is a good thing? |
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| Jesus Lover | Apr 6 2016, 02:08 PM Post #13 |
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Ironically it is your sophomoric argument that a trade deficit is a negative that is quite terribly reasoned. Now that we have the mildly insulting one liners out of the way how about we focus on the argument at hand. I gave you a list of reasons why tariffs are bad, not even a complete list of reasons, just a few pertinent ones, to which you responded that America should care about America first. Which granted, though arbitrary lines on the ground that are borders arent the be all, end all, each nation should focus on its own self interests. I want your reasoning. Why do we need tariffs? Why are trade deficits a negative? I need more than witty one liners, a well reasoned response would be nice. Take a look here for a detailed reasoning of why deficits in trade are a net benefit not a negative. http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/rising-trade-deficit-signals-good-times-us-economy |
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| Jesus Lover | Apr 6 2016, 02:09 PM Post #14 |
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No, but the consumer confidence that is shown by trade deficits is a good thing. America is ripe for investment, and regardless where that investment comes from, it is of benefit to the economy as a whole. |
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| Harambe4Trump | Apr 6 2016, 02:28 PM Post #15 |
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Consumer confidence is what you call having $500k mortgage on your 300k house and opt for retail therapy by putting it on the Best Buy card. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Jesus Lover | Apr 6 2016, 02:32 PM Post #16 |
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No but believe it or not the deficit does show confidence in the markets, and that we are spending again. Which leads to greater investment here, as we transition to a tech economy and continue as a service economy. We haven't been a manufacturing economy for a little while now |
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| Harambe4Trump | Apr 6 2016, 02:41 PM Post #17 |
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From a certain point of view, consumer confidence evidenced by credit card purchases are a good thing. This is the same hocus pocus that leads people to buy a new car every year instead of paying one off- it's good for the economy. We have allowed Japan and S Korea to eat our lunch; they are the high tech manufacturing hubs now. Your Cato institute article, is sixteen years old. Clearly, the government under both parties read your article, believed it and implemented these disastrous trade policies which have resulted in the loss of at least one-third of America's manufacturing jobs and twenty years of stagnant wages. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| OffensivelyOpenMinded | Apr 7 2016, 06:05 PM Post #18 |
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Trump 2016 |
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"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it." Terry Pratchett | |
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| clone | Apr 8 2016, 07:56 PM Post #19 |
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Love your forum name....concise and descriptive...props |
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Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence. | |
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| OffensivelyOpenMinded | Apr 10 2016, 07:00 PM Post #20 |
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Thanks. |
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"The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it." Terry Pratchett | |
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