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Hillary - Fetus Doesn't Have Constitutional Rights
Topic Started: Apr 5 2016, 11:05 AM (1,576 Views)
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Apr 5 2016, 06:17 PM
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Apr 5 2016, 06:08 PM
It is curious, for sure. Yet not beyond comprehension for most.
So the state does grant the fetus rights.
They may but not in this case. Again, making it a crime and conferring rights are two different things.

The USSC has not taken up this issue in any case I can find. They have refused to hear cases on both sides. Case law at lower levels are all over the place.
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Apr 5 2016, 05:26 PM
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Apr 5 2016, 05:03 PM
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Apr 5 2016, 04:57 PM
That someone can be charged with murder for causing the death of a fetus is actually a fairly recent legal development, something that has come about in the last 25 or 30 years. And, as I understand it, it isn't universally true in all states. It certainly isn't something that the founders would have considered as part of the Constitution when they wrote it.

Are we now going to agree that the Constitution is a living document or is it set in stone, based on the views of the founders when it was written?

Can't really have it both ways.
When the founding fathers wrote the Constitution they realized that they may not have gotten everything right with such a large and far reaching set of laws or that times would change and the Constitution would have to change with it. So they gave us the ability to amend the Constitution to meet those needs. That, in itself, answers your question of whether the Constitution is a living document. What most politicians fail to see is that the Constitution is set in stone unless an amendment is ratified. So, yes, you can kind of have it both ways...

In that case, the Constitution doesn't include rights for fetuses and won't unless we should amend it. Good luck getting that amendment passed.
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When the founding fathers wrote the Constitution they realized that they may not have gotten everything right with such a large and far reaching set of laws or that times would change and the Constitution would have to change with it. So they gave us the ability to amend the Constitution to meet those needs. That, in itself, answers your question of whether the Constitution is a living document. What most politicians fail to see is that the Constitution is set in stone unless an amendment is ratified. So, yes, you can kind of have it both ways...

In that case, the Constitution doesn't include rights for fetuses and won't unless we should amend it. Good luck getting that amendment passed.
You don't understand. Once the baby is born it becomes a citizen on its own and has its own Constitutional rights. But, while it is inside the mother it is part of the mother and enjoys the mother's Constitutional rights. The only reason Hillary was so blatant in her quote is that she wants to dig at the right to life movement - not because she has any feelings for or against a fetus - but it will solidify VOTES for her from the left that might just go to Bernie Sanders.

Anything Hillary says should be taken with a grain of salt because she is a conniving bitch...

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In that case, the Constitution doesn't include rights for fetuses and won't unless we should amend it. Good luck getting that amendment passed.
You don't understand. Once the baby is born it becomes a citizen on its own and has its own Constitutional rights. But, while it is inside the mother it is part of the mother and enjoys the mother's Constitutional rights. The only reason Hillary was so blatant in her quote is that she wants to dig at the right to life movement - not because she has any feelings for or against a fetus - but it will solidify VOTES for her from the left that might just go to Bernie Sanders.

Anything Hillary says should be taken with a grain of salt because she is a conniving bitch...

So the fetus share's the Mother's Constitutional rights, but somehow the fetus' Constitutional rights trumps the Mother's Constitutional right to control her own body? How's that work, exactly?
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You don't understand. Once the baby is born it becomes a citizen on its own and has its own Constitutional rights. But, while it is inside the mother it is part of the mother and enjoys the mother's Constitutional rights. The only reason Hillary was so blatant in her quote is that she wants to dig at the right to life movement - not because she has any feelings for or against a fetus - but it will solidify VOTES for her from the left that might just go to Bernie Sanders.

Anything Hillary says should be taken with a grain of salt because she is a conniving bitch...

So the fetus share's the Mother's Constitutional rights, but somehow the fetus' Constitutional rights trumps the Mother's Constitutional right to control her own body? How's that work, exactly?
I don't understand - how did I say that the fetus' trumps the mother's Constitutional rights?

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So the fetus share's the Mother's Constitutional rights, but somehow the fetus' Constitutional rights trumps the Mother's Constitutional right to control her own body? How's that work, exactly?
I don't understand - how did I say that the fetus' trumps the mother's Constitutional rights?

Well, that's the whole point of arguing that a fetus has Constitutional rights, an attempt to argue that the mother shouldn't be able to abort it. Otherwise, it's pretty much a moot issue.
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I don't understand - how did I say that the fetus' trumps the mother's Constitutional rights?

Well, that's the whole point of arguing that a fetus has Constitutional rights, an attempt to argue that the mother shouldn't be able to abort it. Otherwise, it's pretty much a moot issue.
If you look back at my posts you will see that I state a fetus, as part of a woman's body, enjoys HER Constitutional rights. So, indirectly a fetus does share Constitutional rights with the mother. I also stated that no one has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body.

My whole point is that Hillary Dillary doesn't really give a rat's ass one way or another about the fetus, she cares more about what to say in order to garner votes.

There are plenty of right wingers you can argue with on this board instead of trying to put words in my mouth to further your own agenda...

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Quit calling fetus' the unborn. It sounds ridiculous...
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