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| Well that was quick - Bernie & Cruz both win Wiscy; this cycle has been unreal | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 5 2016, 09:45 PM (931 Views) | |
| dcbl | Apr 5 2016, 09:45 PM Post #1 |
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It matters for Cruz, because this goes a long way towards preventing Trump from getting 1,237 delegates It does not matter for Bernie because the fix is already in Democrat leaders know that Bernie would get slaughtered in the general election and will not let him be the nominee Don't believe me? Consider this, Hillary had over 300,000 more votes than Obama in the 2008 primaries. Edited by dcbl, Apr 5 2016, 10:07 PM.
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Republicans sign checks on the front, democrats sign them on the back…True story! | |
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| Durthane | Apr 5 2016, 11:51 PM Post #2 |
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Every vote Bernie gets matters. Even if he loses out in the end, as long as he shows that his ideals resonate with a large portion of the primary voters it pushes his those ideals forward. If and when someone manages to make the needed changes he is campaigning for, they will owe that success in a large part to Bernie running so well in this primary. Besides, assuming he will get slaughtered at this point is silly. The crop of candidates on the right are a joke and it feels like it'll be a free pass for the Dems come november. Possibly a dangerous assumption on my part, but that's how it seems to me. |
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| Gizmolove | Apr 6 2016, 01:30 AM Post #3 |
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And besides, Wisconsin makes great cheese too!
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| When it comes to lying, cheating, or stealing, consult your DNC or GOP handbook. | |
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| Robert Stout | Apr 6 2016, 05:09 AM Post #4 |
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 6 2016, 05:19 AM Post #5 |
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This is pretty much the truth, except that "fix is in part". Clinton has more votes that Sanders has. This recent few weeks of Sanders success is largely due to scheduling. What really counts is how the voting shakes out over the whole cycle, not how it shakes out where one candidate did well due to how the schedule broke. You are correct that Sanders would get destroyed in a general election. Though I would vote for him, it wouldn't be with any hope he would win. Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 6 2016, 05:20 AM.
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| Attaburnsinhell | Apr 6 2016, 06:55 AM Post #6 |
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You're both wrong about Sanders, using that worn out old talking point that the country wouldnt vote for a social democrat, based on the belief that people dont know about him The polls all say otherwise. The more the country got to know him and his positions, the higher he climbed in the polls, until now he ties Hillary among dem voters and crushes her with independent voters. Add to that that Bernie has the highest favorability ratings of all five candidate, while Hillary is down at the bottom with Trump |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 6 2016, 07:04 AM Post #7 |
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Clinton has gotten more votes than Sanders. She has also gotten more delegates. She got those delegates by courting them and by being a solid Democrat. Sanders has benefitted his position by presenting himself as an anti establishment candidate. That's a tactical decision that gives him his edge with the anti establishment public, but it also means he won't be as likely to get the organized Democrat Superdelegates. Those Superdelegates are as much a part of the equation as any other. It is why Clinton should win. It was a part of her plan from the jump, just as Sanders plan was to characterize him as their opponent. It was also how Obama beat her in 2008. She learned the lesson. Why would the organized Democrat contingent support someone that has been their opponent when they can support a member of the party that has a history of Democratic Support? |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 6 2016, 07:34 AM Post #8 |
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Let me ask you atta... When Sanders endorses Clinton, will you hate Sanders as much as you hate Clinton? He will be betraying you at a more personal level, after all. |
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| Tsalagi | Apr 6 2016, 07:57 AM Post #9 |
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This really isn't to hard to see where it's going, If Hillary wins, she has to placate the progressive wing and ask Bernie to be here VP, if Sander's wins, he's going to need muscle to stay in and ask Hillary to be his VP...can't see it going down any other way. |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 6 2016, 08:03 AM Post #10 |
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That might be the best short term solution. But I was hoping to see some young person as the VP. |
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| Harambe4Trump | Apr 6 2016, 08:05 AM Post #11 |
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Typical leftist hatred of the elderly on display with this post. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Tsalagi | Apr 6 2016, 08:19 AM Post #12 |
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Hey, here's a thought, instead of a constant stream of childish insults from you designed to enflame a decent conversation I was beginning to have with CT, let's just stick with pertinent statements relative to the Topic eh? |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 6 2016, 08:21 AM Post #13 |
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Both Clinton and Sanders are older folks.. I support them both. The reason I would like to see a younger VP is to land some foothold for future elections, as well as to listen to the points of view an intergenerational administration would offer. There isn't any hatred in being forward looking (progressive). It is simply being practical by having a long term plan. Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 6 2016, 08:26 AM.
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 6 2016, 08:24 AM Post #14 |
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Forget about him. Anyway... That's my best case hope, but if winning the election hinges on a Clinton/Sanders ticket, that trumps the long term need. In any case, the Democrats have to cultivate younger talent. The Republicans are pretty far in the lead in that department. |
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| philly rabbit | Apr 6 2016, 08:43 AM Post #15 |
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The republicans don't want Cruz anymore than they want Trump. Cruz is being used to get rid of Trump. They will pick a non primary candidate at the convention if Cruz doesn't have the number of delegates but the most important thing with Cruz is preventing Trump from getting the number he needs. |
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| Tsalagi | Apr 6 2016, 08:49 AM Post #16 |
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Only reason they're ahead was due to the influx of new talent that came in with the TEA party Congressmen a few years back. Now, they're a bit more tempered, less reactionary, and fall in line more or less with we Establishment Republicans..their rhetoric not withstanding. You guys are still throwing out aging hippies who long for Woodstock. You only new blood is going to come from young Black and Hispanics who now feel the time is right to enter and make changes beneficial to their communities. Which will mean they'll going to be looking for local changes, and not think on the bigger picture. |
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| Attaburnsinhell | Apr 6 2016, 08:54 AM Post #17 |
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It's costumary for the party loser to endorse the party winner, it's bad form to throw a tantrum by refusing to. Since my vote is statistically meaningless, I can choose to vote my conscience When the primaries started, Bernie was running 35% to 50% Hillary, but his polls rose since, meaning he has convinced an additional 15% of dems to his side, but since the primaries have gone and went in a number of states, they missed out on their chance to vote for him. Since then he's been crushing her by ridiculously high numbers out west and could closs the numbers gap with the remaining, but it's a longshot with the delegate count |
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2016, 09:17 AM Post #18 |
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Like CT said, forget about him. He's irrelevant and just doesn't realize it yet. |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 6 2016, 12:21 PM Post #19 |
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I don't dispute that. Next to President and the SCOTUS appointments looming ahead, the most important job in the Democratic Party is a new DNC Chairman to work the state and local structure. Hey, maybe they could find a soon to be retired Community Organizer somewhere that could restructure the Party to swing it younger? |
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| Tsalagi | Apr 6 2016, 02:00 PM Post #20 |
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You know, I always figured Obama would have been better for your Party as the DNC, and not Dean. He's too explosive in my opinion. Obama would make for a nice after POTUS DNC if you could get him to want to stay in politics. You want someone who can motivate that local black business owner to run for City Alderman, that Latino 2nd gen to run as a Mayor. Whom you can mold for later State Assembly or US Congressional positions. Cut the wheat from the chaff early on |
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