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Putin creates national guard; move seen as precaution against domestic unrest
Topic Started: Apr 6 2016, 09:53 AM (1,827 Views)
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Apr 18 2016, 04:38 AM
Jr, you are a zombie, living in your pervertive reality.
I live in Moscow, walk and drive here every day. I doubt I have ever seen an OMON member live, only on TV.
It does not mean there are no armed police patrols in some vulnerable places due to quite a record of terrorist acts by your friends Muslim/Chechen terrorists.
Though I have noot seen any for years, except such places as the Red Square maybe. Though there are traffic police officers, some of them have automatic guns.
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Domestic unrest seems unlikely in the former Soviet Union; it will be nipped in the bud. Holds for Oblasts far away from Moscow, too, IMO.
A coup, however, might be in the making one day.

If Vladi wants to play Uncle Sam, the entire region might turn into a large hellhole.
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Apr 20 2016, 12:13 PM
Hmm... So you want to believe I didn't see any men with OMON logo in their jacket (on the backside at least, probably also in the front with smaller letters)? I don't know what was their purpose in some places.

I didn't seem to have caught any of them in the photos I took but I wasn't carrying a camera with me all the time.

I have some pictures of military trucks and lots of untagged some kind of guards (nothing special there as you have the "little green untagged men" in Ukraine as well :lol: ).

See one pic here:
It looks like troops of Ministry of interior, yes. They obviously don't patrol the city , but are used on special occasions, as in other countries. On your photo they are not in use.
Tell me what year and month it was, I'll try to fund out what the occasion was.
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Apr 20 2016, 03:44 PM
jar
Apr 20 2016, 12:13 PM
Hmm... So you want to believe I didn't see any men with OMON logo in their jacket (on the backside at least, probably also in the front with smaller letters)? I don't know what was their purpose in some places.

I didn't seem to have caught any of them in the photos I took but I wasn't carrying a camera with me all the time.

I have some pictures of military trucks and lots of untagged some kind of guards (nothing special there as you have the "little green untagged men" in Ukraine as well :lol: ).

See one pic here:
It looks like troops of Ministry of interior, yes. They obviously don't patrol the city , but are used on special occasions, as in other countries. On your photo they are not in use.
Tell me what year and month it was, I'll try to fund out what the occasion was.
Late September 2006. At least some demonstrations were happening at around those days as well.
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Apr 22 2016, 11:05 AM
Siberian
Apr 20 2016, 03:44 PM
jar
Apr 20 2016, 12:13 PM
Hmm... So you want to believe I didn't see any men with OMON logo in their jacket (on the backside at least, probably also in the front with smaller letters)? I don't know what was their purpose in some places.

I didn't seem to have caught any of them in the photos I took but I wasn't carrying a camera with me all the time.

I have some pictures of military trucks and lots of untagged some kind of guards (nothing special there as you have the "little green untagged men" in Ukraine as well :lol: ).

See one pic here:
It looks like troops of Ministry of interior, yes. They obviously don't patrol the city , but are used on special occasions, as in other countries. On your photo they are not in use.
Tell me what year and month it was, I'll try to fund out what the occasion was.
Late September 2006. At least some demonstrations were happening at around those days as well.
I failed to find news on major or any protests at all in Moscow in September, 2006. However I don't exclude there was something of a kind since part of opposition later adopted an idea to march every month on 31, to support 31st article of the constitution which guarantees freedom of demonstration of the protest.
Usually city authorities suggested some places for the opposition not in the city central streets, opposition used to refuse and provoke clashes with OMON.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissenters%27_March
Well, though I have never supported that part of opposition, which is obviously fed by Western money, is a puppet theatre specially designed for Western TV news and has no, I repeat, Zero popularity in Russia (maybe a couple% in "capitals" - Moscow and St.Petersburg) - but still I agree the authorities had no right and were stupid to prevent those demonstrations from happening wherever their organizers were wishing, I think they would have faded away sooner, since those political forces were marginal. But still I think it's one of sins which makes Putin deserve the fate of Kaddafi.
But, if one wants to be objective - he must understand that overreaction to "nothing" does not make this nothing real.
I cannot exclude that we'll see more protests because economic situation is not quite good, this year GDP grouth is more probably to be negative again, but not that much to expect some real threat to the regime from such protests. Your wishes are in vain. Rather Putin creates another super-loyal powerful figure, granting him troops which he takes from Ministry of interior. Nothing special.
Yet, Occupy movement in the West is of much greater scale and much more brutally suppressed by Western "democratic" authorities.
The biggest difference I see is in perseption of YOURS.
Edited by Siberian, Apr 23 2016, 11:08 AM.
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Besides, just to bring your perseption on "brutality of Putin's suppression" closer to reality - usually police arrests some participants of those unsanctioned demonstrations, holds them several hours in police office, impose money penalty - $15-40, and lets them free.
But if you attack police officers - there is a risk of real term in prison, not a big one, but there were several cases.
I am saying it not in favor or to justify Putin, he obviously violates Russian constitution, but just to make you look less stupid talking about some GULAG etc. You all are heavilly brainwashed by your media and still have cold war stereotypes, you have no idea of what life is like in Russia.
Edited by Siberian, Apr 23 2016, 11:23 AM.
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Apr 23 2016, 11:05 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 11:05 AM
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Apr 20 2016, 03:44 PM

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Late September 2006. At least some demonstrations were happening at around those days as well.
I failed to find news on major or any protests at all in Moscow in September, 2006. However I don't exclude there was something of a kind since part of opposition later adopted an idea to march every month on 31, to support 31st article of the constitution which guarantees freedom of demonstration of the protest.
Usually city authorities suggested some places for the opposition not in the city central streets, opposition used to refuse and provoke clashes with OMON.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissenters%27_March
Well, though I have never supported that part of opposition, which is obviously fed by Western money, is a puppet theatre specially designed for Western TV news and has no, I repeat, Zero popularity in Russia (maybe a couple% in "capitals" - Moscow and St.Petersburg) - but still I agree the authorities had no right and were stupid to prevent those demonstrations from happening wherever their organizers were wishing, I think they would have faded away sooner, since those political forces were marginal. But still I think it's one of sins which makes Putin deserve the fate of Kaddafi.
But, if one wants to be objective - he must understand that overreaction to "nothing" does not make this nothing real.
I cannot exclude that we'll see more protests because economic situation is not quite good, this year GDP grouth is more probably to be negative again, but not that much to expect some real threat to the regime from such protests. Your wishes are in vain. Rather Putin creates another super-loyal powerful figure, granting him troops which he takes from Ministry of interior. Nothing special.
Yet, Occupy movement in the West is of much greater scale and much more brutally suppressed by Western "democratic" authorities.
The biggest difference I see is in perseption of YOURS.
You can try to explain your logic only to yourself because most people in the Western civilizations do not believe any more that Russia (= Soviet Union) can change its course of being the major trouble-maker with all its neighbours, former and present. Your history is full of forms of governing where the Western Civilization values and rights (after thousands of years of developement - back and forth) have little influence in the daily lives of us human beings.
We had hopes after the collapse of SU that you would be part of the countries who can make progress for the human race not to repeat the extremely violent history of us. We are sorry for making such a stupid mistake for believing in you.

A reference for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government

You take pride of Russia being unpredictive in its actions, right? Why do you need that kind of pride based on that kind of human behaviour? Something to do with self-esteem?
To me, that is a perfect example of what is the basis of nationalism - the most violent and distructive ISM the human race has ever discovered - originated in European cultures.

Putin himself has already referred to that of the Treaty of Versailles, which was one of the major reasons for WW2. Do you understand the history of this what he's referring to or do I need to give you thousands of documents to explain what he's referring to? (A hint: It has to do with self-esteem as a nation. Nationalism, you know.)

Your logic is way too simple for comparing any kind of demonstration in the Western countries to that of Russia. Why, one may ask.
Because the forms of governing in Russia (and during SU times) which are all majorly based on suppression of ideals and any kind of opposition to ever gaining ground for real changes in values of humans. You had your chances in 1917, but you screwed it up big time, and you have never recovered from that small change. You had your good chances again in the beginning of 1990's but you screwed it up again.
Everything you do in the world, you manage to screw it up and keep blaming EVERYONE else for your own mistakes. Putin is the perfect example of this, even in person. He doesn't understand how much the rest of the world has changed around him/Russia.


When comparing Russia today (including its past and its influence during SU times) and former Europe as a patch quilt of hundreds of cultures (after the fall of Roman Empire and how we have changed our own history to what are the realities of the values of the majority of humans and the behaviour based on those values), we have extremely deep gaps between us.

As I've said many times: You repeat the history over and over again - never learning anything from the past to be able to change yourselves. Europe has changed its history many times before, sometimes repeating it (and currently again we *may* repeat it by resorting to too nationalistic values), but mostly giving values for the rest of the entire human race to follow.

Again and again: Try to learn the differences between your much hated USA and the rest of the Western countries, especially Europe.
You will have much better understanding of human life in general when you can distinguish something crucial between these two concepts and the histories of these areas.
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Jr, sorry, if you have not posted your wining so many times, the same stuff again and again - maybe I coukd make myself read it, but generally, please, if you want to be read - write briefly. A line per idea and try notvto repeat yoursekf morecthan 10 times.
I presume you wrote about new European culture and approaches which Russia is unable to adopt? :)
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Lol, this thread is like a 2nd Winter War.
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Apr 23 2016, 04:04 PM
Lol, this thread is like a 2nd Winter War.
Finland finds victory in their own defeat........... :biggrin:
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Apr 23 2016, 03:53 PM
Jr, sorry, if you have not posted your wining so many times, the same stuff again and again - maybe I coukd make myself read it, but generally, please, if you want to be read - write briefly. A line per idea and try notvto repeat yoursekf morecthan 10 times.
I presume you wrote about new European culture and approaches which Russia is unable to adopt? :)
"For simplicity", two one-liners for you then: :lol:

https://www.hrw.org/europe/central-asia/russia
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2015/country-chapters/russia

Why should any human being follow Russia's way of behaviour?

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Apr 26 2016, 05:29 AM
Siberian
Apr 23 2016, 03:53 PM
Jr, sorry, if you have not posted your wining so many times, the same stuff again and again - maybe I coukd make myself read it, but generally, please, if you want to be read - write briefly. A line per idea and try notvto repeat yoursekf morecthan 10 times.
I presume you wrote about new European culture and approaches which Russia is unable to adopt? :)
"For simplicity", two one-liners for you then: :lol:

https://www.hrw.org/europe/central-asia/russia
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2015/country-chapters/russia

Why should any human being follow Russia's way of behaviour?

Jr, because being smart has not hurt anybody yet...
It may have not occured to you but believe me it's true..

Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Apr 26 2016, 07:20 AM
jar
Apr 26 2016, 05:29 AM
Siberian
Apr 23 2016, 03:53 PM
Jr, sorry, if you have not posted your wining so many times, the same stuff again and again - maybe I coukd make myself read it, but generally, please, if you want to be read - write briefly. A line per idea and try notvto repeat yoursekf morecthan 10 times.
I presume you wrote about new European culture and approaches which Russia is unable to adopt? :)
"For simplicity", two one-liners for you then: :lol:

https://www.hrw.org/europe/central-asia/russia
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2015/country-chapters/russia

Why should any human being follow Russia's way of behaviour?

Jr, because being smart has not hurt anybody yet...
It may have not occured to you but believe me it's true..

What you are talking about?

Did you even open the links?
Too scared to find out of what are the realities of millions humans in your country?
I'm talking about life in Russia, you know.

Your post is:

:moonbat:


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Here I am talking about how Russians affect outside their country. Do you understand the difference between Russia and any other country in the world?


BTW, yet another daily news what Russia does to harass, threaten and intimidate:
http://www.euronews.com/newswires/3187206-finnish-nato-membership-would-lead-to-crisis-with-russia-government-report/
http://europe.newsweek.com/russias-lavrov-warns-sweden-nato-membership-453890?rm=eu

Maybe Russia has already placed nuclear weapons and neutron bombs in the Baltic Sea, as they have already threatened to do so. Russia is undoubtedly looking for enemies anywhere it can find, fabricate them as needed, although the enemy is within yourselves only.

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Apr 23 2016, 03:53 PM
Jr, sorry, if you have not posted your wining so many times, the same stuff again and again - maybe I coukd make myself read it, but generally, please, if you want to be read - write briefly. A line per idea and try notvto repeat yoursekf morecthan 10 times.
I presume you wrote about new European culture and approaches which Russia is unable to adopt? :)
Maybe you'll be drunk for the next few weeks because it's a period for some vacations in Russia this year, but here's a little clue regarding the independent investigations of Sweden and/or Finland joining to NATO:

There's a 68 page document (published for the public on the last day of April 2016) to read on for me but the foremost value is this: "Russia is basically not comfortable with itself nor with its surrounding world due to its mental trauma and resulting to sudden military defiance, and this draws a very bare and lurid picture. Russia is proud of its nontransparency and unpredictability."
I was 100% right on with the post I wrote a week ago.


For you Siberian (former known as Katzap): Russia needs to be destroyed from within as it has become the reborn of Czar time Russia and Soviet Union V2.0 (to speak in modern terms) with the exception that making sudden changes both in political and military terms have become reality.
The modern world doesn't need such a country as the Soviet Union was. Nobody else wants that kind of world, not even China.

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Apr 29 2016, 02:09 PM
Siberian
Apr 26 2016, 07:20 AM
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Apr 26 2016, 05:29 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://www.hrw.org/europe/central-asia/russia
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2015/country-chapters/russia

Why should any human being follow Russia's way of behaviour?

Jr, because being smart has not hurt anybody yet...
It may have not occured to you but believe me it's true..

What you are talking about?

Did you even open the links?
Too scared to find out of what are the realities of millions humans in your country?
I'm talking about life in Russia, you know.

Your post is:

:moonbat:


Look below the line for another subject
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Here I am talking about how Russians affect outside their country. Do you understand the difference between Russia and any other country in the world?


BTW, yet another daily news what Russia does to harass, threaten and intimidate:
http://www.euronews.com/newswires/3187206-finnish-nato-membership-would-lead-to-crisis-with-russia-government-report/
http://europe.newsweek.com/russias-lavrov-warns-sweden-nato-membership-453890?rm=eu

Maybe Russia has already placed nuclear weapons and neutron bombs in the Baltic Sea, as they have already threatened to do so. Russia is undoubtedly looking for enemies anywhere it can find, fabricate them as needed, although the enemy is within yourselves only.

Jr, of course I don't read your links, I open them from time to time, but uf it has more than several lines - sorry, you have to learn to express your idea in a more compact way.

Stop self-hypnotizing, I wonder how you manage to depict expansion of NATO as a friendly action to Russia, which we should not react to, you are crazy.
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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NATO could never save Finland, even if it joined....Finland should throw itself on their sword and sue for peace with Russia....Historically, that is what Finland has eventually done in the past........... :dunno:
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May 5 2016, 01:46 AM
jar
Apr 29 2016, 02:09 PM
Siberian
Apr 26 2016, 07:20 AM
What you are talking about?

Did you even open the links?
Too scared to find out of what are the realities of millions humans in your country?
I'm talking about life in Russia, you know.

Your post is:

:moonbat:


Look below the line for another subject
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here I am talking about how Russians affect outside their country. Do you understand the difference between Russia and any other country in the world?


BTW, yet another daily news what Russia does to harass, threaten and intimidate:
http://www.euronews.com/newswires/3187206-finnish-nato-membership-would-lead-to-crisis-with-russia-government-report/
http://europe.newsweek.com/russias-lavrov-warns-sweden-nato-membership-453890?rm=eu

Maybe Russia has already placed nuclear weapons and neutron bombs in the Baltic Sea, as they have already threatened to do so. Russia is undoubtedly looking for enemies anywhere it can find, fabricate them as needed, although the enemy is within yourselves only.

Jr, of course I don't read your links, I open them from time to time, but uf it has more than several lines - sorry, you have to learn to express your idea in a more compact way.

Stop self-hypnotizing, I wonder how you manage to depict expansion of NATO as a friendly action to Russia, which we should not react to, you are crazy.
So I read this as being telling the realities of the world, regardless of nation...

Revealing the realities in human life in Russia has not been the norm for centuries, if not even ever (you should now the history better, shouldn't you)? :-)

Which is the force which will change the history of Russia?
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May 5 2016, 02:52 AM
NATO could never save Finland, even if it joined....Finland should throw itself on their sword and sue for peace with Russia....Historically, that is what Finland has eventually done in the past........... :dunno:
Saved from what?
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May 6 2016, 02:31 PM
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May 5 2016, 02:52 AM
NATO could never save Finland, even if it joined....Finland should throw itself on their sword and sue for peace with Russia....Historically, that is what Finland has eventually done in the past........... :dunno:
Saved from what?
Saved from Russians lusting for frigid Finnish blondes............ :biggrin:
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May 6 2016, 02:31 PM
Robert Stout
May 5 2016, 02:52 AM
NATO could never save Finland, even if it joined....Finland should throw itself on their sword and sue for peace with Russia....Historically, that is what Finland has eventually done in the past........... :dunno:
Saved from what?
Saved from Russians lusting for frigid Finnish blondes............ :biggrin:
lol, Finland in Russia has reputation of an extremely dull and boring place, which attracts only Russians from neighbouring areas just to look at them once, for a change. Though, they say they have good fishing there, some middle class Russians even have dachas there. I prefer Southern Europe and warm sea anyway, though am planning to visit Stokholm some day... Though, this year I am planning to go fishing in Karelia, a Russian region neighbouring Finland, for a week or 2.
Jr, we don't need you calm down, the fear has big eyes... Besides, our girls are much, much more beautiful.
Edited by Siberian, May 7 2016, 03:07 AM.
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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