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Government does not equal society
Topic Started: Apr 6 2016, 10:02 PM (1,970 Views)
Dr. B
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The reason leftists equate government and nation is because the government has invaded societal structures that it ought not to. The government is now defining personal relationships, marriage, for example. Leftists hold a definition of justice that is derived from communal ownership, rather than a correct definition of justice which is inherent and derived from God. This makes the leftist ideology frankly demonic. This is why leftists turn to the government as the ultimate power, as they have always done throughout history.
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Dr. B
Apr 7 2016, 01:31 PM
The reason leftists equate government and nation is because the government has invaded societal structures that it ought not to. The government is now defining personal relationships, marriage, for example. Leftists hold a definition of justice that is derived from communal ownership, rather than a correct definition of justice which is inherent and derived from God. This makes the leftist ideology frankly demonic. This is why leftists turn to the government as the ultimate power, as they have always done throughout history.
Whose God, which God and which Goddess?

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Apr 7 2016, 01:53 PM
Dr. B
Apr 7 2016, 01:31 PM
The reason leftists equate government and nation is because the government has invaded societal structures that it ought not to. The government is now defining personal relationships, marriage, for example. Leftists hold a definition of justice that is derived from communal ownership, rather than a correct definition of justice which is inherent and derived from God. This makes the leftist ideology frankly demonic. This is why leftists turn to the government as the ultimate power, as they have always done throughout history.
Whose God, which God and which Goddess?

The one referenced in the Declaration of Independence?
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Apr 7 2016, 01:53 PM
Dr. B
Apr 7 2016, 01:31 PM
The reason leftists equate government and nation is because the government has invaded societal structures that it ought not to. The government is now defining personal relationships, marriage, for example. Leftists hold a definition of justice that is derived from communal ownership, rather than a correct definition of justice which is inherent and derived from God. This makes the leftist ideology frankly demonic. This is why leftists turn to the government as the ultimate power, as they have always done throughout history.
Whose God, which God and which Goddess?

The one referenced in the Declaration of Independence?
Question remains.

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The definition wasn't changed by me, nor over the last few millenia, that would be you and your ilk who has done so.


lol. ilk eh? you really are getting butthurt over these libertarian thread.

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I repeat, there is no society that can call libertarianism as it's governing authority. None, zippo,nada. Therefore, I am safe in saying that your system can not function without an infrastructure provided by...wait for it....a statist society.


Last I checked roads were built by private contractors.
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Apr 7 2016, 01:31 PM
The reason leftists equate government and nation is because the government has invaded societal structures that it ought not to. The government is now defining personal relationships, marriage, for example. Leftists hold a definition of justice that is derived from communal ownership, rather than a correct definition of justice which is inherent and derived from God. This makes the leftist ideology frankly demonic. This is why leftists turn to the government as the ultimate power, as they have always done throughout history.
I am sure North Koreans would tell you - without government who would stock the grocery stores?

(while they are all empty)
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Did you know that the Soviet Union/Russia Russia/Soviet Union is the only country that tried three forms of government within a century and all three failed?

monarchy
communism
kleptocracy

I am not sure why the left think we should try the last two.
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Apr 8 2016, 01:03 AM
Did you know that the Soviet Union/Russia Russia/Soviet Union is the only country that tried three forms of government within a century and all three failed?

monarchy
communism
kleptocracy

I am not sure why the left think we should try the last two.
Because it wasn't enough socialism.
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We address it by not endorsing it
Yeah because that'll make slave owners free their slaves. Your system sure would show them
And of course, as you note, not endorsing it would do absolutely nothing to prevent or eliminate it. But libertarians aren't particularly concerned with the real world consequences of their ideology.
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Apr 8 2016, 11:25 AM
But libertarians aren't particularly concerned with the real world consequences of their ideology.
Are you referring to the elevation of the life style due to capitalism?
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We address it by not endorsing it
Yeah because that'll make slave owners free their slaves. Your system sure would show them
So government endorses slavery, but the free market is to blame? Okay sparky.

Lets keep in mind that after a brutal government war, government apartheid lasted for another 100 years in the United States.

Thankfully - the free market invented mechanical automation and mass production which actually ended slavery.
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Yeah because that'll make slave owners free their slaves. Your system sure would show them
So government endorses slavery, but the free market is to blame? Okay sparky.

Lets keep in mind that after a brutal government war, government apartheid lasted for another 100 years in the United States.

Thankfully - the free market invented mechanical automation and mass production which actually ended slavery.
Ended slavery? Not so much. If it were legal there would be many people willing to keep sex slaves and house slaves.
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So government endorses slavery, but the free market is to blame? Okay sparky.

Lets keep in mind that after a brutal government war, government apartheid lasted for another 100 years in the United States.

Thankfully - the free market invented mechanical automation and mass production which actually ended slavery.
Ended slavery? Not so much. If it were legal there would be many people willing to keep sex slaves and house slaves.
Oh yeah? Would you also shoot up heroin and eat babies if it were legal?
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Yeah because that'll make slave owners free their slaves. Your system sure would show them
So government endorses slavery, but the free market is to blame? Okay sparky.

Lets keep in mind that after a brutal government war, government apartheid lasted for another 100 years in the United States.

Thankfully - the free market invented mechanical automation and mass production which actually ended slavery.
Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, making a man need 3 slaves instead of 10 to handle a cotton crop...yet still they were slaves, up to 1 million of them, and yes..it took a "government war" to free them. Your way would have taken another 50 to 100 years to get rid of slavery with the "Free Market" and as OP stated, far easier to use slaves that you can breed, rather then machinery that breaks down.
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So government endorses slavery, but the free market is to blame? Okay sparky.

Lets keep in mind that after a brutal government war, government apartheid lasted for another 100 years in the United States.

Thankfully - the free market invented mechanical automation and mass production which actually ended slavery.
Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, making a man need 3 slaves instead of 10 to handle a cotton crop...yet still they were slaves, up to 1 million of them, and yes..it took a "government war" to free them. Your way would have taken another 50 to 100 years to get rid of slavery with the "Free Market" and as OP stated, far easier to use slaves that you can breed, rather then machinery that breaks down.
I'd say slaves are inefficient - but who am I to argue with a statist on this subject.
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Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, making a man need 3 slaves instead of 10 to handle a cotton crop...yet still they were slaves, up to 1 million of them, and yes..it took a "government war" to free them. Your way would have taken another 50 to 100 years to get rid of slavery with the "Free Market" and as OP stated, far easier to use slaves that you can breed, rather then machinery that breaks down.
I'd say slaves are inefficient - but who am I to argue with a statist on this subject.
always the dodge, I notice that libertarians are thin on resolution, big on blaming.
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I'd say slaves are inefficient - but who am I to argue with a statist on this subject.
always the dodge, I notice that libertarians are thin on resolution, big on blaming.
The resolution is don't support institutions that encourage slavery - like the state.

And I am just commenting on how our resident authoritarians have a keen interest in slavery. Doubt it's a coincidence
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Ended slavery? Not so much. If it were legal there would be many people willing to keep sex slaves and house slaves.
Oh yeah? Would you also shoot up heroin and eat babies if it were legal?
Personally? No. But I'm sure there are people who would. How about you? Eaten many babies lately?
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Oh yeah? Would you also shoot up heroin and eat babies if it were legal?
Personally? No. But I'm sure there are people who would. How about you? Eaten many babies lately?
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Personally? No. But I'm sure there are people who would. How about you? Eaten many babies lately?
My employer, Mogadishu Roads Incorporated uses fetus blood as mortar for thier asphalt.
Capitalism at it's finest...your company obviously outbid Planned Parenthood for baby parts...
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