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Tennessee bill would allow counselors to deny service based on religion
Topic Started: Apr 7 2016, 09:55 AM (1,260 Views)
Dem4life

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tennessee-bill-idUSKCN0X32RE
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The Tennessee House passed a bill on Wednesday allowing mental health counselors to refuse service to patients on religious grounds, the latest in a list of U.S. state measures that gay rights activists have criticized as discriminating against the LGBT community.

A vote by the state House of Representatives protects therapists and counselors from civil lawsuits and criminal action if they deny services to clients whose religious beliefs conflict with their own.

The bill passed by a 68-22 vote and sent to Gov. Bill Haslam for his signature. The state Senate passed the bill earlier this year.

Supporters of the bill say it protects the rights of counselors who object on religious grounds to the adopted code of ethics of the American Counseling Association. But opponents say it is an attempt to deny service to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people, a vulnerable population often in need of counseling services.

The House bill, which was sponsored by Republican Rep. Dan Howell, is one of many that are being challenged by human rights organizations claiming the legislation is anti-LGBT.

Howell was unavailable for comment Wednesday afternoon.
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It's funny how the followers of the religion that teaches "love thy neighbor as thyself" want to be free to reject their neighbor based on their faith.
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Sounds more like Iran than a Federal State in the U.S.
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Tsalagi
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Jim Crow 2.0, but it's not surprising, this was the State for the Scopes Trial. Oh how backward my home has become....
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Apr 7 2016, 11:59 AM
Jim Crow 2.0, but it's not surprising, this was the State for the Scopes Trial. Oh how backward my home has become....
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And no one is surprised that you do.
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Certain types of mental disorders are not amenable to counseling treatment............ :banghead:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Dem4life

The gop continues to hit new lows...
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Arlette

grandstanding - gays wouldn't go to religious counseling, knowing that homosexuality is viewed as rebellion against god.
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Speaking of perverts, have you chatted up any men in the restroom lately...

http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Counseling-association-cancels-Tennessee-7449154.php

The American Counseling Association announced Tuesday that it is canceling plans to hold a conference in Nashville next year to protest a Tennessee law letting therapists decline to see patients based on religious values and personal principles.

The ACA, which has condemned Tennessee's new law as a "hate bill" that discriminates against gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people, has called the legislation an unprecedented attack on its profession. The organization says no other state has passed such a law and it has vowed to work to get it repealed.

The ACA had already booked its expo in the Music City toward the end of March, but decided to cancel after careful consideration, and hearing from the organization's members, said Richard Yep, its CEO. By pulling out, the organization, which has vowed to work to repeal the new law, is hoping to keep similar measures from passing around the country.

"Our message to other states is don't introduce bills that are essentially legalizing discrimination," Yep said. "It is discriminating against those who are least able to fight back."

The conference, Yep said, would have brought between 3,500 and 4,000 people to the city.
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We should definitely mandate that potentially suicidal gay people to be treated by anti-gay counselors who despise them and think their lifestyle is a sin instead of referring them to a counselor who can actually help them... because that'd be discrimination. Brilliant!

It'll be another marvelous victory for regressive liberalism and "civil rights." Hopefully, this one won't cost too many gay people their lives.
Edited by Two a.m., May 11 2016, 10:13 AM.
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Two a.m.
May 11 2016, 10:12 AM
We should definitely mandate that potentially suicidal gay people to be treated by anti-gay counselors who despise them and think their lifestyle is a sin instead of referring them to a counselor who can actually help them... because that'd be discrimination.

It'll be another marvelous victory for regressive liberalism and civil rights. Hopefully, this one won't cost too many gay people their lives.
Are you okay with this law...
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May 11 2016, 10:13 AM
Two a.m.
May 11 2016, 10:12 AM
We should definitely mandate that potentially suicidal gay people to be treated by anti-gay counselors who despise them and think their lifestyle is a sin instead of referring them to a counselor who can actually help them... because that'd be discrimination.

It'll be another marvelous victory for regressive liberalism and civil rights. Hopefully, this one won't cost too many gay people their lives.
Are you okay with this law...
Of course.

Why would I possibly want a gay person to be exposed to a mental health counselor who hates them and thinks their lifestyle is sinful and presumably will tell them that? What benefit is achieved by that? What right is being enforced? The right to sh*tty counseling? The right to mental abuse?

The law mandates that the counselor refer the individual to a different mental health professional. It also mandates that anyone in imminent danger of doing harm to themselves must be treated immediately regardless of right of conscience.

This law actually protects vulnerable gay people from being harmed by bad counselors. Why would anyone not support that?
"The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984
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Two a.m.
May 11 2016, 10:17 AM
Dem4life
May 11 2016, 10:13 AM
Two a.m.
May 11 2016, 10:12 AM
We should definitely mandate that potentially suicidal gay people to be treated by anti-gay counselors who despise them and think their lifestyle is a sin instead of referring them to a counselor who can actually help them... because that'd be discrimination.

It'll be another marvelous victory for regressive liberalism and civil rights. Hopefully, this one won't cost too many gay people their lives.
Are you okay with this law...
Of course.

Why would I possibly want a gay person to be exposed to a mental health counselor who hates them and thinks their lifestyle is sinful and presumably will tell them that? What benefit is achieved by that? What right is being enforced? The right to sh*tty counseling? The right to mental abuse?

The law mandates that the counselor refer the individual to a different mental health professional. It also mandates that anyone in imminent danger of doing harm to themselves must be treated immediately regardless of right of conscience.

This law actually protects vulnerable gay people from being harmed by bad counselors. Why would anyone not support that?
While I certainly enjoy reading your posts, this strikes me as justifying discrimination...
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Two a.m.
May 11 2016, 10:17 AM
Dem4life
May 11 2016, 10:13 AM
Two a.m.
May 11 2016, 10:12 AM
We should definitely mandate that potentially suicidal gay people to be treated by anti-gay counselors who despise them and think their lifestyle is a sin instead of referring them to a counselor who can actually help them... because that'd be discrimination.

It'll be another marvelous victory for regressive liberalism and civil rights. Hopefully, this one won't cost too many gay people their lives.
Are you okay with this law...
Of course.

Why would I possibly want a gay person to be exposed to a mental health counselor who hates them and thinks their lifestyle is sinful and presumably will tell them that? What benefit is achieved by that? What right is being enforced? The right to sh*tty counseling? The right to mental abuse?

The law mandates that the counselor refer the individual to a different mental health professional. It also mandates that anyone in imminent danger of doing harm to themselves must be treated immediately regardless of right of conscience.

This law actually protects vulnerable gay people from being harmed by bad counselors. Why would anyone not support that?
Why do we need a law to allow counselors to do what they're already able to do? If a counselor believes that they're not able to help a prospective client, for whatever reason, they're already free to decline that client and expected to refer them to another counselor. That's just simple medical ethics. Counselors do it all the time, for various reasons. But ultimately they have to evaluate their ability to help any particular client and act accordingly. They don't have to take, willy nilly, any client who walks through the door.

So, why do they need a law that allows them to do what they can already do, unless it's so they can tell the prospective client that they can't help them because they're a sinful, vile homosexual who is going to burn in hell, before they refer them to another counselor?
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coverpoint

There is no religion that prohibits anyone from counseling a gay person any more than there is a religion that prohibits a doctor or nurse from providing medical assistance to a person convicted of murder or rape.

Just because one is “religious” and believes something, does not make it a “religious belief".
Edited by coverpoint, May 11 2016, 11:57 AM.
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May 11 2016, 10:22 AM
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May 11 2016, 10:17 AM
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May 11 2016, 10:13 AM

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Of course.

Why would I possibly want a gay person to be exposed to a mental health counselor who hates them and thinks their lifestyle is sinful and presumably will tell them that? What benefit is achieved by that? What right is being enforced? The right to sh*tty counseling? The right to mental abuse?

The law mandates that the counselor refer the individual to a different mental health professional. It also mandates that anyone in imminent danger of doing harm to themselves must be treated immediately regardless of right of conscience.

This law actually protects vulnerable gay people from being harmed by bad counselors. Why would anyone not support that?
Why do we need a law to allow counselors to do what they're already able to do?
This law simply makes it so that we don't have a counselor getting sued for doing what you said is already their prerogative.

As you said, counselors quite often tell patients that they need to find someone else who can help them better. The problem here is the highly litigious nature of the LGBT community who seem to feel they should sue anyone who denies them anything.

This law simply short circuits that process and frankly, had the LGBT community not been spending the last few years suing anyone who does not kiss their ass it would not have been written.
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May 11 2016, 12:14 PM
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May 11 2016, 10:22 AM
Two a.m.
May 11 2016, 10:17 AM

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Why do we need a law to allow counselors to do what they're already able to do?
This law simply makes it so that we don't have a counselor getting sued for doing what you said is already their prerogative.

As you said, counselors quite often tell patients that they need to find someone else who can help them better. The problem here is the highly litigious nature of the LGBT community who seem to feel they should sue anyone who denies them anything.

This law simply short circuits that process and frankly, had the LGBT community not been spending the last few years suing anyone who does not kiss their ass it would not have been written.
If they tell a patient that they don't believe that they can help that patient and would like to refer them to another counselor, there isn't anything to sue over. A counselor doesn't have to explain, for example, that the patient is a domestic abuser and the counselor was a victim of domestic abuse so they would be unable to be objective. All they have to say is that they just don't believe they can help the client.

It would only be if the counselor made it a point to tell the client that they can't help them because the client is gay, transgender, or what have you. Then there might be the potential for a civil rights violation suit.

What is it with conservatives that they feel that they deserve legal protections for crapping on people?
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Dem4life

Bully mentality...
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