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Evicted by Matthew Desmond – what if the problem of poverty is that it’s profitable to other people?
Topic Started: Apr 8 2016, 11:33 PM (2,094 Views)
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What if the dominant discourse on poverty is just wrong? What if the problem isn’t that poor people have bad morals – that they’re lazy and impulsive and irresponsible and have no family values – or that they lack the skills and smarts to fit in with our shiny 21st-century economy? What if the problem is that poverty is profitable? These are the questions at the heart of Evicted, Matthew Desmond’s extraordinary ethnographic study of tenants in low-income housing in the deindustrialised middle-sized city of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/07/evicted-poverty-and-profit-in-the-american-city-matthew-desmond-review
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Apr 8 2016, 11:33 PM
What if the dominant discourse on poverty is just wrong? What if the problem isn’t that poor people have bad morals – that they’re lazy and impulsive and irresponsible and have no family values – or that they lack the skills and smarts to fit in with our shiny 21st-century economy? What if the problem is that poverty is profitable? These are the questions at the heart of Evicted, Matthew Desmond’s extraordinary ethnographic study of tenants in low-income housing in the deindustrialised middle-sized city of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/07/evicted-poverty-and-profit-in-the-american-city-matthew-desmond-review
Not only that - the working poor in america are taxed at a significant rate, in relation to their income.
Edited by estonianman, Apr 8 2016, 11:44 PM.
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I made good money when I rented my houses to blacks on Section 8......Am I evil for benefiting from their poverty ???...Or am I evil for taking advantage of taxpayers ???.......... :confused:
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Edited by Mr. Tik, Apr 9 2016, 01:51 AM.
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Blame greedy government workers.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Apr 8 2016, 11:44 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 8 2016, 11:33 PM
What if the dominant discourse on poverty is just wrong? What if the problem isn’t that poor people have bad morals – that they’re lazy and impulsive and irresponsible and have no family values – or that they lack the skills and smarts to fit in with our shiny 21st-century economy? What if the problem is that poverty is profitable? These are the questions at the heart of Evicted, Matthew Desmond’s extraordinary ethnographic study of tenants in low-income housing in the deindustrialised middle-sized city of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/07/evicted-poverty-and-profit-in-the-american-city-matthew-desmond-review
Not only that - the working poor in america are taxed at a significant rate, in relation to their income.
Whereas the rich are vastly under taxed in relation to their income

Im fine with a compromise on this

Return to a true progessive tax system. The poor become exempt from any taxation, local and federal, the middle class gets huge tax cuts, meanwhile the rich get taxed until they bleed, including retroactive taxation on their inheritences going back 20 years. Any offshoring money must be reported and included. They will be allowed to deduct any money that they donate to poor families
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Apr 8 2016, 11:44 PM
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Apr 8 2016, 11:33 PM
What if the dominant discourse on poverty is just wrong? What if the problem isn’t that poor people have bad morals – that they’re lazy and impulsive and irresponsible and have no family values – or that they lack the skills and smarts to fit in with our shiny 21st-century economy? What if the problem is that poverty is profitable? These are the questions at the heart of Evicted, Matthew Desmond’s extraordinary ethnographic study of tenants in low-income housing in the deindustrialised middle-sized city of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/07/evicted-poverty-and-profit-in-the-american-city-matthew-desmond-review
Not only that - the working poor in america are taxed at a significant rate, in relation to their income.
"yabbut duh gubmints"- A common defensive reaction by free market advocates to deflect any conversation regarding the moral hazards of capitalism.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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I wonder what "solution" Esto can offer to help homeless people?


Have you paid your internet taxes?
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Apr 9 2016, 11:25 AM
I wonder what "solution" Esto can offer to help homeless people?
You can start helping by not voting for progressive in office.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Apr 9 2016, 11:44 AM
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Apr 9 2016, 11:25 AM
I wonder what "solution" Esto can offer to help homeless people?
You can start helping by not voting for progressive in office.
First you must define "progressives", then weed out the phony progressives who are just trying to capture votes................ :confused:
Edited by Robert Stout, Apr 9 2016, 03:58 PM.
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Apr 8 2016, 11:33 PM
What if the dominant discourse on poverty is just wrong? What if the problem isn’t that poor people have bad morals – that they’re lazy and impulsive and irresponsible and have no family values – or that they lack the skills and smarts to fit in with our shiny 21st-century economy? What if the problem is that poverty is profitable? These are the questions at the heart of Evicted, Matthew Desmond’s extraordinary ethnographic study of tenants in low-income housing in the deindustrialised middle-sized city of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/07/evicted-poverty-and-profit-in-the-american-city-matthew-desmond-review
Not only that - the working poor in america are taxed at a significant rate, in relation to their income.
"yabbut duh gubmints"- A common defensive reaction by free market advocates to deflect any conversation regarding the moral hazards of capitalism.
What moral hazards of capitalism?
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Apr 9 2016, 07:10 AM
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Apr 8 2016, 11:33 PM
What if the dominant discourse on poverty is just wrong? What if the problem isn’t that poor people have bad morals – that they’re lazy and impulsive and irresponsible and have no family values – or that they lack the skills and smarts to fit in with our shiny 21st-century economy? What if the problem is that poverty is profitable? These are the questions at the heart of Evicted, Matthew Desmond’s extraordinary ethnographic study of tenants in low-income housing in the deindustrialised middle-sized city of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/07/evicted-poverty-and-profit-in-the-american-city-matthew-desmond-review
Not only that - the working poor in america are taxed at a significant rate, in relation to their income.
Whereas the rich are vastly under taxed in relation to their income

Im fine with a compromise on this

Return to a true progessive tax system. The poor become exempt from any taxation, local and federal, the middle class gets huge tax cuts, meanwhile the rich get taxed until they bleed, including retroactive taxation on their inheritences going back 20 years. Any offshoring money must be reported and included. They will be allowed to deduct any money that they donate to poor families
Okay i'll bite.

How will the US government deal with wealth drain? I understand that you tax till they bleed - but over time this will alter the behavior of people that are targeted with these tax schemes.

People will also avoid trying to get rich - if you can believe it. At that point - where is capital investment supposed to come from?
Edited by estonianman, Apr 9 2016, 04:25 PM.
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Poverty in America is a lifestyle choice...
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Apr 9 2016, 05:08 PM
Poverty in America is a lifestyle choice...
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"I didn't blame anyone for the loss of my legs,
some chinaman in Korea took them from me
but I went out and achieved anyway!"
Edited by Mr. Tik, Apr 9 2016, 11:09 PM.
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Apr 9 2016, 04:21 PM
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Apr 9 2016, 11:15 AM
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Apr 8 2016, 11:44 PM
"yabbut duh gubmints"- A common defensive reaction by free market advocates to deflect any conversation regarding the moral hazards of capitalism.
What moral hazards of capitalism?
in this case..slum lordery
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Why it is so hard for middle and low incomers to save?

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-0410-lopez-beach-parking-20160408-column.html
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Apr 9 2016, 11:09 PM
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Apr 9 2016, 04:21 PM
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What moral hazards of capitalism?
in this case..slum lordery
What is slum lordery?

Some asshole that went the other way in a voluntary contract?
Edited by estonianman, Apr 10 2016, 02:53 AM.
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Apr 10 2016, 02:52 AM
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Apr 9 2016, 11:09 PM
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in this case..slum lordery
What is slum lordery?

Some asshole that went the other way in a voluntary contract?
I know this is a novel concept..try reading the article, slick.
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Apr 10 2016, 11:24 AM
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Apr 10 2016, 02:52 AM
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Apr 9 2016, 11:09 PM
What is slum lordery?

Some asshole that went the other way in a voluntary contract?
I know this is a novel concept..try reading the article, slick.
I get it - one individual was unethical.

How this is described as a hard coded moral fallacy of capitalism? an individual's behavior is not inherent to an entire philosophy - there are many decent land lords.
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Edited by estonianman, Apr 10 2016, 01:02 PM.
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Decent landlords take the rent in trade.......... :biggrin:
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