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Obama admin: rent to criminals or face prosecution for discrimination
Topic Started: Apr 10 2016, 03:07 PM (1,142 Views)
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Tsalagi
Apr 11 2016, 12:04 PM
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Apr 10 2016, 11:56 PM
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Apr 10 2016, 07:15 PM
Did that criminal do their time?...Was their debt to society and the State paid for, then on what grounds would you not rent to them?
On grounds that it is my property and I should be able to choose who I rent to... private property rights should matter

As for if I actually had property... if I deemed them trustworthy I would rent to anyone
And if they were black....or Asian....it's a slippery slope down there back to Jim Crow when you say you should be able to only "mix"with others of your own kind.
It's a slippery slope when we begin to enforce the first amendment right to Freedom of Association. Agreed.
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Apr 11 2016, 12:06 PM
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And if they were black....or Asian....it's a slippery slope down there back to Jim Crow when you say you should be able to only "mix"with others of your own kind.
It's a slippery slope when we begin to enforce the first amendment right to Freedom of Association. Agreed.
So, let's just bring back Jim Crow, that way you won't have to eat near any of them, live near any of them, and their votes can be restricted...yes Sir Massa. Youse be the boss man.
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I related this story before but it is worth mentioning here.

I have a friend who was a screw-up in the 1980's. He did a few years in prison for burglary but learned his lesson and never looked back. He became a solid citizen with a good job, got married bought a house etc. Well around 2010 he got divorced from his wife, all of the kids were grown except for one. So, he decided rather than buy a place for himself he would rent a nice apartment with a pool and stuff so his daughter and he could have that when she was with him. He found a nice place and went in to see about a lease. They ran his credit and were more than happen to have him pay them $1200/mo for his apartment as well as the down payments and other fees that go along with a nice apartment complex. They told him he can move in right away.

So my friend calls me (I own a truck and my business has enclosed trailers) for help in moving. He and I and some of our mutual friends get the stuff and get him moved in, he shows the place of to his young daughter and everyone is excited for this new chapter in their lives.

Then a few days later the folks who run the place slip a note under his door telling him to come to the office. So, he goes down and asks what is up after getting home from work. They inform him that he is going to have to move out and he can't lease a place from them. My friend is completely baffled. He asks why and they tell him that his background check came back with a problem. He asked them what problem? He has a secret clearance and access to all of the local military bases etc.

Well, it turns out that this complex has a policy that nobody with any criminal record can rent there. So they kicked him out on the street, basically gave him a day to pack his shit. He then had to explain to his daughter why he was having to move, it really bugged him and frankly was bullshit IMHO. Of course he understood why they would not allow someone with his type of charge history to be a tenant but since it had been so long it never occurred to him that it would ever be an issue.

Now my friend is a white guy. According to this article, this place could now get charged with racism for kicking someone like him out. I find that kind of interesting.

Incidentally, one of the reasons they were in such a hurry to get my buddy signed up and moved in is because he makes very good money and has stellar credit. So, my now pissed off friend had to find a new place. When he was initially searching he thought about buying a condo and had looked into a nice community directly across the street from the place he rented from but chose to rent simply because he was entering a new part of his life. Well, he called me after getting the news about being kicked out and we went out for some beers and dinner The beer did not lessen his pissed off condition and as we were heading back to the apartment to start repacking he asked me to drive into the condo complex. 2010 was not a good time for condos in Jacksonville. There were many for sale and two were for sale by owner. He called and found some folks motivated to sell and willing to show us the place that night. To cut the story short, the first one we looked at was a nicer place than what he was renting. He offered the guy a $10k deposit if he could move in right away while they worked out the contract and got everything signed. The next evening we moved his stuff.

So, my friend actually got the last laugh by paying less money per month for a nicer place to live. He still lives there now and it probably worth 10-15% more than what he paid for it. Rest assured that once he closed on the condo he paid the property manager of the apartments a visit to inform them that they were neighbors lol.

The problem though is that most folks are not in the position that my buddy was so these arbitrary rules can really harm people. With that said, I (and even my friend) understand that landlords have to protect themselves and their tenants. It is possible that the argument could be made that they use a blanket denial to all who have criminal records to avoid being called a racist and now it seems that the Obama admin is planning on calling them a racist even if they folks they kick out are white. I'm not sure how that can hold up in court.
Edited by Demagogue, Apr 11 2016, 07:08 PM.
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Apr 11 2016, 12:04 PM
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Apr 10 2016, 07:15 PM
Did that criminal do their time?...Was their debt to society and the State paid for, then on what grounds would you not rent to them?
On grounds that it is my property and I should be able to choose who I rent to... private property rights should matter

As for if I actually had property... if I deemed them trustworthy I would rent to anyone
And if they were black....or Asian....it's a slippery slope down there back to Jim Crow when you say you should be able to only "mix"with others of your own kind.
Crime is an equal opportunity profession, regardless of race, religion, or national origin...If we can't judge people by the crimes they have been convicted of, We have entered the slippery slope of profound stupidity................. :lol:
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Apr 11 2016, 04:24 AM
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Apr 10 2016, 07:59 PM
Deny every person that served their time employment and housing and then you can point to the failure of those persons to reintroduce themselves into society as their inability to live productively in society like the rest of us.
The sentencing and punishment were handed down by the government. Why should private property owners put their skin in the game?
You put skin in the game when you box out a group of individuals both men and women from employment and housing; whether you like it or not.

And it's not the government that charges in most cases, it's the people of the State. That's you dear.



If the government do not believe these former felons are a risk, why not delete their arrest records with the exception of the criminal database accessible only by law enforcement agencies?
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You put skin in the game when you box out a group of individuals both men and women from employment and housing; whether you like it or not.

And it's not the government that charges in most cases, it's the people of the State. That's you dear.



If the government do not believe these former felons are a risk, why not delete their arrest records with the exception of the criminal database accessible only by law enforcement agencies?
Some think it is a tragedy that law enforcement agencies discriminate against known felons.............. :lol:
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Did that criminal do their time?...Was their debt to society and the State paid for, then on what grounds would you not rent to them?
On grounds that it is my property and I should be able to choose who I rent to... private property rights should matter

As for if I actually had property... if I deemed them trustworthy I would rent to anyone
And if they were black....or Asian....it's a slippery slope down there back to Jim Crow when you say you should be able to only "mix"with others of your own kind.
Honestly private individuals should be able to make whatever associations they wish. Then we, as other private citizens, can oppose them, refuse them business in return, and even work to ensure they fail. I just don't see the need for government enforcement.

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Apr 11 2016, 05:52 PM
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It's a slippery slope when we begin to enforce the first amendment right to Freedom of Association. Agreed.
So, let's just bring back Jim Crow, that way you won't have to eat near any of them, live near any of them, and their votes can be restricted...yes Sir Massa. Youse be the boss man.
Bringing back laws that enforce segregation would be beyond the pale, but of course we both agree on that
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I think nonviolent offenders shouldn't have to list jail time on an application for anything.
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Apr 11 2016, 10:43 PM
I think nonviolent offenders shouldn't have to list jail time on an application for anything.
A drug offense conviction is the most common reason that landlords refuse to rent...The other renters don't like obvious dopers roaming through the apartment complex........... :dunno:
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This shit is hilarious.
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Apr 11 2016, 11:26 PM
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I think nonviolent offenders shouldn't have to list jail time on an application for anything.
A drug offense conviction is the most common reason that landlords refuse to rent...The other renters don't like obvious dopers roaming through the apartment complex........... :dunno:
Dopers? What are you like a million years old? While you were getting old the modern world was born. Go ahead and make your way to the Grey Havens at your earliest convenience.
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Apr 12 2016, 01:59 AM
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I think nonviolent offenders shouldn't have to list jail time on an application for anything.
A drug offense conviction is the most common reason that landlords refuse to rent...The other renters don't like obvious dopers roaming through the apartment complex........... :dunno:
Dopers? What are you like a million years old? While you were getting old the modern world was born. Go ahead and make your way to the Grey Havens at your earliest convenience.
No need to be rude....
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Dopers? What are you like a million years old? While you were getting old the modern world was born. Go ahead and make your way to the Grey Havens at your earliest convenience.
No need to be rude....
There isn't, but I thought it would amuse me. I was correct.
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It's a slippery slope when we begin to enforce the first amendment right to Freedom of Association. Agreed.
So, let's just bring back Jim Crow, that way you won't have to eat near any of them, live near any of them, and their votes can be restricted...yes Sir Massa. Youse be the boss man.
I have yet to meet a white leftist who is willing to send his son or daughter to a predominantly Black or Hispanic public school.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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No need to be rude....
There isn't, but I thought it would amuse me. I was correct.
Correct ??? Or a smart aleck kid ???............. :spank:
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