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Without Government, where will Defense Companies get the majority of their work?
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Apr 12 2016, 03:10 PM
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The Bradley Fighting Vehicle itself took 20 years to finally roll off an assembly line, 20 years of ongoing paychecks a to the company that designed, built, and retrofits those things...by the way, they're now being phased out for the Stryker.
Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, General Electric, Colt Firearms division, and Gods know how many other Defense Contractors, without government contracts how will they keep all those good paying middle to upper middle class jobs?
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Apr 12 2016, 03:42 PM
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That is the point when people talk about cutting defense spending. Our defense budget is as much about being a large jobs program than anything else. Cutting the budget significantly would put large numbers of people out of work.
To answer your other question, there would be a business in arming the individuals and militias that would form in the chaos of a government-less world. We would have warlords on the order of MadMax, who would in effect be government just on a smaller scale.
The reality is the natural order of man is to join together for self-protection and in the process form a government.
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Apr 12 2016, 03:44 PM
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Saudi Arabia.
We don't need a military half as large as we have now. We need to return to a pre-WWI size military and let the world take care of itself.
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Apr 12 2016, 03:54 PM
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That is the point when people talk about cutting defense spending. Our defense budget is as much about being a large jobs program than anything else. Cutting the budget significantly would put large numbers of people out of work.
To answer your other question, there would be a business in arming the individuals and militias that would form in the chaos of a government-less world. We would have warlords on the order of MadMax, who would in effect be government just on a smaller scale.
The reality is the natural order of man is to join together for self-protection and in the process form a government. If it is, indeed, more of a large jobs program then why pay workers to construct an already obsolete product? Why not have the workers repair our infrastructure - roads, bridges, etc. instead of just wasting huge amounts of taxpayer monies...
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Tsalagi
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Apr 12 2016, 04:17 PM
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That is the point when people talk about cutting defense spending. Our defense budget is as much about being a large jobs program than anything else. Cutting the budget significantly would put large numbers of people out of work.
To answer your other question, there would be a business in arming the individuals and militias that would form in the chaos of a government-less world. We would have warlords on the order of MadMax, who would in effect be government just on a smaller scale.
The reality is the natural order of man is to join together for self-protection and in the process form a government.
If it is, indeed, more of a large jobs program then why pay workers to construct an already obsolete product? Why not have the workers repair our infrastructure - roads, bridges, etc. instead of just wasting huge amounts of taxpayer monies... Because the profit in developing just the weapons systems alone for an Arleigh Burke destroyer can dwarf paying them to retool for instrastructure work. Sad fact but true..the programmer for an Aegis weapons system, just the beginner mind you pays about 100k a year, let alone the more advanced guys. Wanna tell him you want him to be a 30,000 surveyor on a highway project?
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Apr 12 2016, 04:21 PM
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That is the point when people talk about cutting defense spending. Our defense budget is as much about being a large jobs program than anything else. Cutting the budget significantly would put large numbers of people out of work.
To answer your other question, there would be a business in arming the individuals and militias that would form in the chaos of a government-less world. We would have warlords on the order of MadMax, who would in effect be government just on a smaller scale.
The reality is the natural order of man is to join together for self-protection and in the process form a government.
If it is, indeed, more of a large jobs program then why pay workers to construct an already obsolete product? Why not have the workers repair our infrastructure - roads, bridges, etc. instead of just wasting huge amounts of taxpayer monies...
Because the profit in developing just the weapons systems alone for an Arleigh Burke destroyer can dwarf paying them to retool for instrastructure work. Sad fact but true..the programmer for an Aegis weapons system, just the beginner mind you pays about 100k a year, let alone the more advanced guys. Wanna tell him you want him to be a 30,000 surveyor on a highway project? There are numerous infrastructure improvements that just one aircraft carrier could pay for. Of course this country is retarded and would pay for single mothers instead.
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Apr 12 2016, 04:22 PM
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Whatsamatta Mr. T? you don't believe national defense is worth the spending?
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Apr 12 2016, 04:26 PM
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Whatsamatta Mr. T? you don't believe national defense is worth the spending? He is challenging esto, you tit.
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Apr 12 2016, 04:39 PM
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Whatsamatta Mr. T? you don't believe national defense is worth the spending? 20 years of R&D for the Bradley...online for less then a decade and it gets replaced by the Stryker was a bit better with the contract in 1999, and rolling off in 2008..In the meanwhile, we were paying these companies...for....well nothing...really...My opinion, you want our troops to use the vehicle..you put your own money into it first...and if you get the contract, then we start paying you.
There has always been fraud and waste in the DoD, we know, contractors know it, politicians know it, he'll the Inspector General with regards to waste in the DoD knows it..yet...year after year, decade after decade, we keep paying these xxxxs.
Heckler and Koch had a better battlerifle with the HK416, Special Forces loved it, that is until Colt Firearms cried like a friggin baby and sicked their lobbyists to the DOD "We can't have the US military field a battlerifle made by Germany!!".."we've made the US battlerifle for over a century", no we get the M4, the more compact version then the M16A4, the Army made Special Forces turn over all 400 of their HK416's and forced them to use Colt weapons. Me, personally, I'd have hid my HK416 and told the DoD I lost it in a jump.
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Apr 12 2016, 05:06 PM
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The Bradley Fighting Vehicle itself took 20 years to finally roll off an assembly line, 20 years of ongoing paychecks a to the company that designed, built, and retrofits those things...by the way, they're now being phased out for the Stryker.
Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, General Electric, Colt Firearms division, and Gods know how many other Defense Contractors, without government contracts how will they keep all those good paying middle to upper middle class jobs? You could always build a gold plated bridge to nowhere.
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Apr 12 2016, 05:17 PM
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The Bradley Fighting Vehicle itself took 20 years to finally roll off an assembly line, 20 years of ongoing paychecks a to the company that designed, built, and retrofits those things...by the way, they're now being phased out for the Stryker.
Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, General Electric, Colt Firearms division, and Gods know how many other Defense Contractors, without government contracts how will they keep all those good paying middle to upper middle class jobs?
You could always build a gold plated bridge to nowhere. A non answer, Whoda thought?
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Apr 12 2016, 05:26 PM
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The Bradley Fighting Vehicle itself took 20 years to finally roll off an assembly line, 20 years of ongoing paychecks a to the company that designed, built, and retrofits those things...by the way, they're now being phased out for the Stryker.
Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, General Electric, Colt Firearms division, and Gods know how many other Defense Contractors, without government contracts how will they keep all those good paying middle to upper middle class jobs?
You could always build a gold plated bridge to nowhere.
A non answer, Whoda thought? There is an answer there for everyone else that wants to listen.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
A non answer, Whoda thought?
There is an answer there for everyone else that wants to listen. And.......non-answer #2....let's see what's behind non-answer # Johnny!!!
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Apr 12 2016, 05:55 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
There is an answer there for everyone else that wants to listen.
And.......non-answer #2....let's see what's behind non-answer # Johnny!!! they are all non-answers my special snowflake
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Whatsamatta Mr. T? you don't believe national defense is worth the spending?
20 years of R&D for the Bradley...online for less then a decade and it gets replaced by the Stryker was a bit better with the contract in 1999, and rolling off in 2008..In the meanwhile, we were paying these companies...for....well nothing...really...My opinion, you want our troops to use the vehicle..you put your own money into it first...and if you get the contract, then we start paying you. There has always been fraud and waste in the DoD, we know, contractors know it, politicians know it, he'll the Inspector General with regards to waste in the DoD knows it..yet...year after year, decade after decade, we keep paying these xxxxs. Heckler and Koch had a better battlerifle with the HK416, Special Forces loved it, that is until Colt Firearms cried like a friggin baby and sicked their lobbyists to the DOD "We can't have the US military field a battlerifle made by Germany!!".."we've made the US battlerifle for over a century", no we get the M4, the more compact version then the M16A4, the Army made Special Forces turn over all 400 of their HK416's and forced them to use Colt weapons. Me, personally, I'd have hid my HK416 and told the DoD I lost it in a jump. If you strongly feel about the government wasting money, why do you continue to support the establishment, the dinosaur Democrats and Republicans?
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Apr 12 2016, 06:08 PM
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Whatsamatta Mr. T? you don't believe national defense is worth the spending?
20 years of R&D for the Bradley...online for less then a decade and it gets replaced by the Stryker was a bit better with the contract in 1999, and rolling off in 2008..In the meanwhile, we were paying these companies...for....well nothing...really...My opinion, you want our troops to use the vehicle..you put your own money into it first...and if you get the contract, then we start paying you. There has always been fraud and waste in the DoD, we know, contractors know it, politicians know it, he'll the Inspector General with regards to waste in the DoD knows it..yet...year after year, decade after decade, we keep paying these xxxxs. Heckler and Koch had a better battlerifle with the HK416, Special Forces loved it, that is until Colt Firearms cried like a friggin baby and sicked their lobbyists to the DOD "We can't have the US military field a battlerifle made by Germany!!".."we've made the US battlerifle for over a century", no we get the M4, the more compact version then the M16A4, the Army made Special Forces turn over all 400 of their HK416's and forced them to use Colt weapons. Me, personally, I'd have hid my HK416 and told the DoD I lost it in a jump.
If you strongly feel about the government wasting money, why do you continue to support the establishment, the dinosaur Democrats and Republicans? Because I've also seen the opposite when you emasculate the military on the altar of political expediency. I'm all for a strong military, just not one based on waste.
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If you get the chance, read "The Burn Pits''
It's about how we flushed billions down the crapper in Iraq, much of it towards private contractors
For instance. It costed your average soldier about $2 to wash their own laundry, but because of private contracting, they had to turn their laundry over to a ''contractor'' who did a bag of laundry for $100 each
A burn pit was where you sent a piece of military hardware, from a computer with a minor problem, to a brand new $500,000 truck with a flat tire, to be disposed of. That's right, they sent these things to burn pits, where they would light them on fire with gasoline, destroy them, thereby allowing for a brand new replacement. These pits burned night and day, sending billions in taxpayer paid for equipment up in smoke. The smoke was highly toxic, sending many soldiers to the hospital. It is suspected that Bo Biden, the vice president's son who served in Iraq, was exposed daily to these toxic fumes. He last year died of brain cancer.
There is another story of how pallets of cash were unloaded at an airbase, billions of dollars, to be distributed to local shieks as bribes to get them on our side. $8 billion of that money just disappeared, nobody knows who took it
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Apr 12 2016, 06:54 PM
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If you get the chance, read "The Burn Pits''
It's about how we flushed billions down the crapper in Iraq, much of it towards private contractors
For instance. It costed your average soldier about $2 to wash their own laundry, but because of private contracting, they had to turn their laundry over to a ''contractor'' who did a bag of laundry for $100 each
A burn pit was where you sent a piece of military hardware, from a computer with a minor problem, to a brand new $500,000 truck with a flat tire, to be disposed of. That's right, they sent these things to burn pits, where they would light them on fire with gasoline, destroy them, thereby allowing for a brand new replacement. These pits burned night and day, sending billions in taxpayer paid for equipment up in smoke. The smoke was highly toxic, sending many soldiers to the hospital. It is suspected that Bo Biden, the vice president's son who served in Iraq, was exposed daily to these toxic fumes. He last year died of brain cancer.
There is another story of how pallets of cash were unloaded at an airbase, billions of dollars, to be distributed to local shieks as bribes to get them on our side. $8 billion of that money just disappeared, nobody knows who took it Remember when Rumsfeld was asked by congressional committee on 9/10/2001 about the trillions missing from the Pentagon ?
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Apr 12 2016, 07:21 PM
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If you get the chance, read "The Burn Pits''
It's about how we flushed billions down the crapper in Iraq, much of it towards private contractors
For instance. It costed your average soldier about $2 to wash their own laundry, but because of private contracting, they had to turn their laundry over to a ''contractor'' who did a bag of laundry for $100 each
A burn pit was where you sent a piece of military hardware, from a computer with a minor problem, to a brand new $500,000 truck with a flat tire, to be disposed of. That's right, they sent these things to burn pits, where they would light them on fire with gasoline, destroy them, thereby allowing for a brand new replacement. These pits burned night and day, sending billions in taxpayer paid for equipment up in smoke. The smoke was highly toxic, sending many soldiers to the hospital. It is suspected that Bo Biden, the vice president's son who served in Iraq, was exposed daily to these toxic fumes. He last year died of brain cancer.
There is another story of how pallets of cash were unloaded at an airbase, billions of dollars, to be distributed to local shieks as bribes to get them on our side. $8 billion of that money just disappeared, nobody knows who took it
Remember when Rumsfeld was asked by congressional committee on 9/10/2001 about the trillions missing from the Pentagon ? ''Stuff happens''
If you want to talk about pissing away a trillion dollars..
The F35, also known as ''tits on a bull'', as in ''as useless as''
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Apr 12 2016, 07:27 PM
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If you get the chance, read "The Burn Pits''
It's about how we flushed billions down the crapper in Iraq, much of it towards private contractors
For instance. It costed your average soldier about $2 to wash their own laundry, but because of private contracting, they had to turn their laundry over to a ''contractor'' who did a bag of laundry for $100 each
A burn pit was where you sent a piece of military hardware, from a computer with a minor problem, to a brand new $500,000 truck with a flat tire, to be disposed of. That's right, they sent these things to burn pits, where they would light them on fire with gasoline, destroy them, thereby allowing for a brand new replacement. These pits burned night and day, sending billions in taxpayer paid for equipment up in smoke. The smoke was highly toxic, sending many soldiers to the hospital. It is suspected that Bo Biden, the vice president's son who served in Iraq, was exposed daily to these toxic fumes. He last year died of brain cancer.
There is another story of how pallets of cash were unloaded at an airbase, billions of dollars, to be distributed to local shieks as bribes to get them on our side. $8 billion of that money just disappeared, nobody knows who took it
Remember when Rumsfeld was asked by congressional committee on 9/10/2001 about the trillions missing from the Pentagon ?
''Stuff happens'' If you want to talk about pissing away a trillion dollars.. The F35, also known as ''tits on a bull'', as in ''as useless as'' Back when we were selling to army bases in the US - Fort Benning, Bragg. Military contractors would practice munitions testing on brand new GM vehicles, like SUVs, trucks etc. This was going on every day, all day.
Cool job for sure - but new vehicles? wtf.
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