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Without Government, where will Defense Companies get the majority of their work?
Topic Started: Apr 12 2016, 03:10 PM (988 Views)
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Tsal finally coming on board with those of us who are against gov't created monopolies...welcome aboard...
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Apr 12 2016, 07:49 PM
Tsal finally coming on board with those of us who are against gov't created monopolies...welcome aboard...
Took him long enough, but nevertheless it's a start.
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Apr 12 2016, 06:46 PM
If you get the chance, read "The Burn Pits''

It's about how we flushed billions down the crapper in Iraq, much of it towards private contractors

For instance. It costed your average soldier about $2 to wash their own laundry, but because of private contracting, they had to turn their laundry over to a ''contractor'' who did a bag of laundry for $100 each

A burn pit was where you sent a piece of military hardware, from a computer with a minor problem, to a brand new $500,000 truck with a flat tire, to be disposed of. That's right, they sent these things to burn pits, where they would light them on fire with gasoline, destroy them, thereby allowing for a brand new replacement. These pits burned night and day, sending billions in taxpayer paid for equipment up in smoke. The smoke was highly toxic, sending many soldiers to the hospital. It is suspected that Bo Biden, the vice president's son who served in Iraq, was exposed daily to these toxic fumes. He last year died of brain cancer.

There is another story of how pallets of cash were unloaded at an airbase, billions of dollars, to be distributed to local shieks as bribes to get them on our side. $8 billion of that money just disappeared, nobody knows who took it
Funny, and out of the other side of your mouth you'll say we need to increase taxes and grow government...

Liberals sure are a confused bunch.
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Apr 12 2016, 07:58 PM
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Tsal finally coming on board with those of us who are against gov't created monopolies...welcome aboard...
Took him long enough, but nevertheless it's a start.
Don't make the mistake gentlemen of assuming to much. Not sure where you guys equated my disagreement with esto on Government to any sort of agreement with you two on what you two call "government monopoly"
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Tsal finally coming on board with those of us who are against gov't created monopolies...welcome aboard...
Took him long enough, but nevertheless it's a start.
Don't make the mistake gentlemen of assuming to much. Not sure where you guys equated my disagreement with esto on Government to any sort of agreement with you two on what you two call "government monopoly"
Now government monopolies don't exist? What's next - the social contract is voluntary?m Wait that's too advanced - you haven't received you full blown lobotomy from the resident leftists yet.

How many bad arguments are going to reach for in a 24 hour period comrade?
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Don't make the mistake gentlemen of assuming to much. Not sure where you guys equated my disagreement with esto on Government to any sort of agreement with you two on what you two call "government monopoly"
Now government monopolies don't exist? What's next - the social contract is voluntary?m Wait that's too advanced - you haven't received you full blown lobotomy from the resident leftists yet.

How many bad arguments are going to reach for in a 24 hour period comrade?
Oh, please don't tell me you're going to the old "commie/comrade" shtick name calling, please tell me your are not going to be that kinda guy?
Edited by Tsalagi, Apr 13 2016, 10:05 AM.
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Now government monopolies don't exist? What's next - the social contract is voluntary?m Wait that's too advanced - you haven't received you full blown lobotomy from the resident leftists yet.

How many bad arguments are going to reach for in a 24 hour period comrade?
Oh, please don't tell me you're going to the old "commie/comrade" shtick name calling, please tell me your are not going to be that kinda guy?
Listen - I am not the one disparaging the validity of capitalism and its ability to supply all goods and services.

If you consider government a distributor of goods and services, except these goods are procured by taxation and distributed publicly - you can compare the two. Then moral fallacies aside a logical mind would see that government is horrendously inefficient at everything it does. The "Who would build the roads" argument isn't answered by - "well government has always built them, and so they are the only ones that can build them". Truth is - government infrastructure has been a failure - it damages the environment, it is over built because roads are treated as public works projects that get politicians elected and they are under maintained.

Yes - the evidence that government should not build roads are the conditions of the roads themselves.
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Oh, please don't tell me you're going to the old "commie/comrade" shtick name calling, please tell me your are not going to be that kinda guy?
Listen - I am not the one disparaging the validity of capitalism and its ability to supply all goods and services.

If you consider government a distributor of goods and services, except these goods are procured by taxation and distributed publicly - you can compare the two. Then moral fallacies aside a logical mind would see that government is horrendously inefficient at everything it does. The "Who would build the roads" argument isn't answered by - "well government has always built them, and so they are the only ones that can build them". Truth is - government infrastructure has been a failure - it damages the environment, it is over built because roads are treated as public works projects that get politicians elected and they are under maintained.

Yes - the evidence that government should not build roads are the conditions of the roads themselves.
I'm the guy that says Defense contractors would be broke and out of business without Goverment contracts paid for by every taxpayer paying into the Federal Government's tax coffers...in direct, you and every other American taxpayer keeps Defense contractors in business.
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Listen - I am not the one disparaging the validity of capitalism and its ability to supply all goods and services.

If you consider government a distributor of goods and services, except these goods are procured by taxation and distributed publicly - you can compare the two. Then moral fallacies aside a logical mind would see that government is horrendously inefficient at everything it does. The "Who would build the roads" argument isn't answered by - "well government has always built them, and so they are the only ones that can build them". Truth is - government infrastructure has been a failure - it damages the environment, it is over built because roads are treated as public works projects that get politicians elected and they are under maintained.

Yes - the evidence that government should not build roads are the conditions of the roads themselves.
I'm the guy that says Defense contractors would be broke and out of business without Goverment contracts paid for by every taxpayer paying into the Federal Government's tax coffers...in direct, you and every other American taxpayer keeps Defense contractors in business.
We don't get much from contractors besides pointless wars. That's energy that can be directed inward.
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I'm the guy that says Defense contractors would be broke and out of business without Goverment contracts paid for by every taxpayer paying into the Federal Government's tax coffers...in direct, you and every other American taxpayer keeps Defense contractors in business.
We don't get much from contractors besides pointless wars. That's energy that can be directed inward.
I wouldn't say that...I'd like to meet the guy who designed the MRAP and thank him..my youngest son rides in one as his C&C when he takes his platoon out. That vehicle is the probably the only worth your money vehicle made for the DOD since the Sherman.

Besides, it's got AIR CONDITIONING..only took the DoD forever to ask for that in a vehicle. Whether it's homegrown or domestic, we don't keep them in business, tens of thousands of good middle class jobs leave the US
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We don't get much from contractors besides pointless wars. That's energy that can be directed inward.
I wouldn't say that...I'd like to meet the guy who designed the MRAP and thank him..my youngest son rides in one as his C&C when he takes his platoon out. That vehicle is the probably the only worth your money vehicle made for the DOD since the Sherman.

Besides, it's got AIR CONDITIONING..only took the DoD forever to ask for that in a vehicle. Whether it's homegrown or domestic, we don't keep them in business, tens of thousands of good middle class jobs leave the US
Yes- I know a lot more of MRAPs then I ever cared to. We didn't need a war in Iraq and we didn't need to stay in Afganistan for fifteen years. There will never be peace in the Middle East, we don't need more fools trying to solve the world's unsolvable problems.
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That is the point when people talk about cutting defense spending. Our defense budget is as much about being a large jobs program than anything else. Cutting the budget significantly would put large numbers of people out of work.

To answer your other question, there would be a business in arming the individuals and militias that would form in the chaos of a government-less world. We would have warlords on the order of MadMax, who would in effect be government just on a smaller scale.

The reality is the natural order of man is to join together for self-protection and in the process form a government.
If it is, indeed, more of a large jobs program then why pay workers to construct an already obsolete product? Why not have the workers repair our infrastructure - roads, bridges, etc. instead of just wasting huge amounts of taxpayer monies...

Good question, ask the Republicans, they are the ones really standing in the way of making real cuts in defense although Dems also support the spending.

The simple answer is laying off aerospace engineers doesn't give them a real path to paving roads and fixing bridges. Even the engineering of these is different than what they are trained in.

But I do know the cellular system was greatly expanded in the 90's with engineering labor from laid off defense workers after the military spending downturn of that time.
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Listen - I am not the one disparaging the validity of capitalism and its ability to supply all goods and services.

If you consider government a distributor of goods and services, except these goods are procured by taxation and distributed publicly - you can compare the two. Then moral fallacies aside a logical mind would see that government is horrendously inefficient at everything it does. The "Who would build the roads" argument isn't answered by - "well government has always built them, and so they are the only ones that can build them". Truth is - government infrastructure has been a failure - it damages the environment, it is over built because roads are treated as public works projects that get politicians elected and they are under maintained.

Yes - the evidence that government should not build roads are the conditions of the roads themselves.
I'm the guy that says Defense contractors would be broke and out of business without Goverment contracts paid for by every taxpayer paying into the Federal Government's tax coffers...in direct, you and every other American taxpayer keeps Defense contractors in business.
So? I am sure if they are otherwise talented engineers they will be productive elsewhere.
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I'm the guy that says Defense contractors would be broke and out of business without Goverment contracts paid for by every taxpayer paying into the Federal Government's tax coffers...in direct, you and every other American taxpayer keeps Defense contractors in business.
So? I am sure if they are otherwise talented engineers they will be productive elsewhere.
Yes, because there are literally thousands of good middle class to upper middle class paying jobs out there for men who can design weapons of destruction, the next gen fighter plane, or the newest destroyer...
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So? I am sure if they are otherwise talented engineers they will be productive elsewhere.
Yes, because there are literally thousands of good middle class to upper middle class paying jobs out there for men who can design weapons of destruction, the next gen fighter plane, or the newest destroyer...
I see. So what you are saying is they are not talented.

I mean honestly - there are thousands of high tech manufacturing and engineering jobs available, the problem is american in general are not qualified. That's is why they are begging to bring the low end jobs back from China.
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