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Make the Confederacy's Defeat a National Holiday; 150 years ago this week, Robert E. Lee surrendered to the Union. Let's celebrate it—every year.
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Topic Started: Apr 12 2016, 06:11 PM (1,887 Views)
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It's worth noting that only about 6% of the south actually owned any slaves.
The north could have bought all of the slaves and freed them for a lot cheaper and a lot less lives.
Actually, the number rises to about 10% but that's only really including the large plantations where you might have a few dozen, some having upwards of a 100, doesn't take into account a shopowner who made have bought one, a small farmer with perhaps a family if he was lucky, etc, etc.. But it's also a sure bet that over 75% of them thought that the only good thing a black man was good for was to be a slave. So your answer would be to perpetuate the concept that the southern slaves were property so the north could buy them...and what message would that have sent to the southern slaves, that we were property to begin with, we just got bought out by a more benevolent master? The South's whole position was that slavery was their "peculiar institution" and they didn't want to end it, in fact, they wanted to extend it out into the western territories
I doubt it. Slaves destroy the job market unless you are a business owner or highly skilled. Whew...."I doubt it"...yeah, that sure as hell shot down my response...The South was an agrarian economy depended on slavery, they didn't have to pay workers, because such work is nasty, long hours...easier to do so with slaves that you can breed more of if necessary.
As I stated, the South's own words called slavery their "peculiar institution", and it was a goal of the slavey owning society to move slavery into the western territories
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Apr 13 2016, 04:32 PM
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It's worth noting that only about 6% of the south actually owned any slaves.
The north could have bought all of the slaves and freed them for a lot cheaper and a lot less lives.
Your idea is that the North should have purchased human beings? Did I read that right?
What's wrong with his logic? Why do you celebrate the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans? Why do you celebrate the enslavement of over 1 million human beings?
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Apr 14 2016, 10:57 AM
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The end of the American Civil War should be noted, not celebrated. It was a horrible division that put Americans at war with their fellow Americans to the tune of over six hundred thousand Americans killed and over a million injured. American lives shattered, families torn apart.
This was an American tragedy. Makes me look forward to part 2, liberals vs fascists.
My popcorn popper awaits.
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Apr 14 2016, 11:42 AM
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It's worth noting that only about 6% of the south actually owned any slaves.
The north could have bought all of the slaves and freed them for a lot cheaper and a lot less lives.
Your idea is that the North should have purchased human beings? Did I read that right? I have no idea what you read and interpret through that indoctrination you live under.
That's what other countries like the UK did, indirectly though compensation.
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Apr 14 2016, 11:45 AM
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I doubt it. Slaves destroy the job market unless you are a business owner or highly skilled.
Whew...."I doubt it"...yeah, that sure as hell shot down my response...The South was an agrarian economy depended on slavery, they didn't have to pay workers, because such work is nasty, long hours...easier to do so with slaves that you can breed more of if necessary. As I stated, the South's own words called slavery their "peculiar institution", and it was a goal of the slavey owning society to move slavery into the western territories well this thread is attracting the best and the brightest. /s
It is a common historical interpretation that slavery harms the poor and middle class, and is therefore economically impractical.
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Apr 14 2016, 01:34 PM
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Whew...."I doubt it"...yeah, that sure as hell shot down my response...The South was an agrarian economy depended on slavery, they didn't have to pay workers, because such work is nasty, long hours...easier to do so with slaves that you can breed more of if necessary. As I stated, the South's own words called slavery their "peculiar institution", and it was a goal of the slavey owning society to move slavery into the western territories
well this thread is attracting the best and the brightest. /s It is a common historical interpretation that slavery harms the poor and middle class, and is therefore economically impractical. Yes, and that's why so much of the South's poor and middle class whites enlisted to fight for the Confederacy.
When you've dehumanized people to the level of cattle, you really don't see the harm they're doing. When you believe you are better then a black man, even the lowest, commonest poor white man just because you are white...you don't see the harm done to you. That's why you still have such a level of racism in the southeast. These whites who still adhere to that philosophy still think of themselves as superior based on color alone.
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Apr 14 2016, 05:07 PM
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It's worth noting that only about 6% of the south actually owned any slaves.
The north could have bought all of the slaves and freed them for a lot cheaper and a lot less lives.
Your idea is that the North should have purchased human beings? Did I read that right?
What's wrong with his logic? Why do you celebrate the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans? So now I celebrate the death of Americans?
Reign in your dishonest histrionics. Maybe take a look at my first post here.
What morals do you have that you think purchasing human beings is the right thing to do?
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It's worth noting that only about 6% of the south actually owned any slaves.
The north could have bought all of the slaves and freed them for a lot cheaper and a lot less lives.
Your idea is that the North should have purchased human beings? Did I read that right?
I have no idea what you read and interpret through that indoctrination you live under. That's what other countries like the UK did, indirectly though compensation. "The north could have bought all of the slaves..."
So please tell me, what's your interpretation?
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Apr 14 2016, 05:21 PM
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What's wrong with his logic? Why do you celebrate the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans?
So now I celebrate the death of Americans? Reign in your dishonest histrionics. Maybe take a look at my first post here. What morals do you have that you think purchasing human beings is the right thing to do? My morality believes it would have been better to buy the slaves and free them and avoid a bloodbath that resulted in the horrific deaths of hundreds of thousands.
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What's wrong with his logic? Why do you celebrate the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans?
So now I celebrate the death of Americans?  <br /><br />Reign in your dishonest histrionics. Maybe take a look at my first post here.<br /><br /><br />What morals do you have that you think purchasing human beings is the right thing to do? My morality believes it would have been better to buy the slaves and free them and avoid a bloodbath that resulted in the horrific deaths of hundreds of thousands.
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So now I celebrate the death of Americans?  <br /><br />Reign in your dishonest histrionics. Maybe take a look at my first post here.<br /><br /><br />What morals do you have that you think purchasing human beings is the right thing to do?
My morality believes it would have been better to buy the slaves and free them and avoid a bloodbath that resulted in the horrific deaths of hundreds of thousands. You realize that there is a pretty good chance that had the North paid this ransom for Southern slaves, the unscrupulous rebels would have simply gotten their hands on new slaves to "sell" to the Northerners?
No... Taking them down in retaliation for their aggression at Fort Sumter was the right response.
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My morality believes it would have been better to buy the slaves and free them and avoid a bloodbath that resulted in the horrific deaths of hundreds of thousands.
You realize that there is a pretty good chance that had the North paid this ransom for Southern slaves, the unscrupulous rebels would have simply gotten their hands on new slaves to "sell" to the Northerners? No... Taking them down in retaliation for their aggression at Fort Sumter was the right response. That's a typical progressive reaction to always look for the means that would result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans. The progressive bloodlust knows no bounds.
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I have no idea what you read and interpret through that indoctrination you live under. That's what other countries like the UK did, indirectly though compensation. "The north could have bought all of the slaves..."So please tell me, what's your interpretation? I already gave you a clue - see what the UK did to end slavery.
Please do not turn this into another thread where you portray your childlike nativity for 5 pages.
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Your way esto would confirm in the South's eyes that their human slaves were in fact "property", it would cement for the South their peculiar institution, and there is no indication that every slave owner would sell his slaves.
Plus, how would we look at the black slaves and say "I bought you, I am going to free you, but you were always property to begin with, now you're just freed property". No, they were human beings held in bondage who needed to be liberated.
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You realize that there is a pretty good chance that had the North paid this ransom for Southern slaves, the unscrupulous rebels would have simply gotten their hands on new slaves to "sell" to the Northerners? No... Taking them down in retaliation for their aggression at Fort Sumter was the right response.
That's a typical progressive reaction to always look for the means that would result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans. The progressive bloodlust knows no bounds. Buying and selling human beings?
You don't have a case to make for that.
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That's a typical progressive reaction to always look for the means that would result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans. The progressive bloodlust knows no bounds.
Buying and selling human beings? You don't have a case to make for that. The horror of using the same Method the British used to end slavery. You don't like that answer because it doesn't result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans and would spare many from seeing their farms and houses burnt to the ground.
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"The north could have bought all of the slaves..."So please tell me, what's your interpretation?
I already gave you a clue - see what the UK did to end slavery. Please do not turn this into another thread where you portray your childlike nativity for 5 pages. Your knowledge of history in this matter is selective with reality lacking.
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Could have had the same outcome if the South hadn't fired on Sumter.
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Buying and selling human beings? You don't have a case to make for that.
The horror of using the same Method the British used to end slavery. You don't like that answer because it doesn't result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans and would spare many from seeing their farms and houses burnt to the ground. You're under the impression the south would give up their property, and do what, now pay white men to do the job they previously had slaves to do it?
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The horror of using the same Method the British used to end slavery. You don't like that answer because it doesn't result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans and would spare many from seeing their farms and houses burnt to the ground.
You're under the impression the south would give up their property, and do what, now pay white men to do the job they previously had slaves to do it? It worked in the Bahamas.
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