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Topic Started: Apr 15 2016, 05:16 PM (2,546 Views)
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Apr 16 2016, 04:56 PM
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I mentioned race? Source?
The pic, silly... That I made reference to race?
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Apr 16 2016, 04:58 PM
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So you are going to mount a formidable argument for the social contract? Let's see what you got
Here's the most compelling argument for the existence of the social contract. You have gone into the agreement, you don't like it and you could walk away, but you have not. Others have opted out of their social contract, but in almost every case they have simply swapped one contract for another one. In the meantime, drama queens use whiny and ineffectual little stage plays to plead their so-called damaged lives of "Slavery" to da man...and pretty much make themselves look like sad excuses for grown ups. Someone that was truly enslaved would rightfully knock your in your arse for this silliness of yours. So can walk away, but you don't. You have chosen this contract that you have entered into because it is the best deal you can get. From most of your brags, you do very well in this society. So... I can only conclude that you want the attention What if you can't walk away because government regulates your movement?
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Apr 16 2016, 05:03 PM
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Here's the most compelling argument for the existence of the social contract. You have gone into the agreement, you don't like it and you could walk away, but you have not. Others have opted out of their social contract, but in almost every case they have simply swapped one contract for another one. In the meantime, drama queens use whiny and ineffectual little stage plays to plead their so-called damaged lives of "Slavery" to da man...and pretty much make themselves look like sad excuses for grown ups. Someone that was truly enslaved would rightfully knock your in your arse for this silliness of yours. So can walk away, but you don't. You have chosen this contract that you have entered into because it is the best deal you can get. From most of your brags, you do very well in this society. So... I can only conclude that you want the attention
What if you can't walk away because government regulates your movement? But you can walk away... You don't even have to leave this country to do so. There are woods and great expanses of desert and mountains that you could go to. You could cash out all of those pesky worldly possessions and invest in a boat and your own self subsistence and hit the oceans.... Imagine you stepping up and setting off on your own!
All you have to do is muster up the guts to rely on your resolve, free from any social contract or contact.
Wouldn't that be awesome? Choice is yours.
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Apr 16 2016, 05:07 PM
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What if you can't walk away because government regulates your movement?
But you can walk away... You don't even have to leave this country to do so. There are woods and great expanses of desert and mountains that you could go to. You could cash out all of those pesky worldly possessions and invest in a boat and your own self subsistence and hit the oceans.... Imagine you stepping up and setting off on your own! All you have to do is muster up the guts to rely on your resolve, free from any social contract or contact. Wouldn't that be awesome? Choice is yours. What if I enter into a voluntary contract that doesn't require government? Like a cellphone, HOA, property or even a car?
Does that mean I can disregard the social "contract" that government has automatically forged my name to?
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Apr 16 2016, 05:30 PM
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But you can walk away... You don't even have to leave this country to do so. There are woods and great expanses of desert and mountains that you could go to. You could cash out all of those pesky worldly possessions and invest in a boat and your own self subsistence and hit the oceans.... Imagine you stepping up and setting off on your own! All you have to do is muster up the guts to rely on your resolve, free from any social contract or contact. Wouldn't that be awesome? Choice is yours.
What if I enter into a voluntary contract that doesn't require government? Like a cellphone, HOA, property or even a car? Does that mean I can disregard the social "contract" that government has automatically forged my name to? No. Everything is connected, unless you walk clear of all of those trappings. You choose this way to live for a lot of reasons. So far all I have seen from you is a consistent complaint without any effort from you to stand on your own. You are like most folks that take the path of least resistance in life and part of that path includes living within the contract of living in a society. You don't like some of it. Too bad. You don't have to like any of it, but you can't cherry pick what you're willing to do or won't do within the conditions attached to this society THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN.
In the meantime, whine festivals about how you are somehow kindred with those that were suffered under one of the more horrendous and embarrassing eras of this country is ridiculous.
You really should be ashamed of yourself. Drama queen is a pretty tame word for this complaint of yours.
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Apr 16 2016, 05:43 PM
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What if I enter into a voluntary contract that doesn't require government? Like a cellphone, HOA, property or even a car? Does that mean I can disregard the social "contract" that government has automatically forged my name to?
No. Everything is connected, unless you walk clear of all of those trappings. You choose this way to live for a lot of reasons. So far all I have seen from you is a consistent complaint without any effort from you to stand on your own. You are like most folks that take the path of least resistance in life and part of that path includes living within the contract of living in a society. You don't like some of it. Too bad. You don't have to like any of it, but you can't cherry pick what you're willing to do or won't do within the conditions attached to this society THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN. In the meantime, whine festivals about how you are somehow kindred with those that were suffered under one of the more horrendous and embarrassing eras of this country is ridiculous. You really should be ashamed of yourself. Drama queen is a pretty tame word for this complaint of yours. Why is this always about me? Isn't this an anonymous internet forum where we discuss philosophical constructs - such as the statist social contract?
Making it personal only adds credence to my argument - that no social contract exists and you are exhausted of attempts proving otherwise. Your only recourse is to divert the debate elsewhere - like attacking individuals and their family.
You are pathetic.
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Apr 16 2016, 05:50 PM
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No. Everything is connected, unless you walk clear of all of those trappings. You choose this way to live for a lot of reasons. So far all I have seen from you is a consistent complaint without any effort from you to stand on your own. You are like most folks that take the path of least resistance in life and part of that path includes living within the contract of living in a society. You don't like some of it. Too bad. You don't have to like any of it, but you can't cherry pick what you're willing to do or won't do within the conditions attached to this society THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN. In the meantime, whine festivals about how you are somehow kindred with those that were suffered under one of the more horrendous and embarrassing eras of this country is ridiculous. You really should be ashamed of yourself. Drama queen is a pretty tame word for this complaint of yours.
Why is this always about me? Isn't this an anonymous internet forum where we discuss philosophical constructs - such as the statist social contract? Making it personal only adds credence to my argument - that no social contract exists and you are exhausted of attempts proving otherwise. Your only recourse is to divert the debate elsewhere - like attacking individuals and their family. You are pathetic. You are the guy whining friend. You are the guy that started the thread. I'm pathetic?

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Apr 16 2016, 05:52 PM
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"Why is this always about me?"
You poor little thing...... You are the guy that says you "feel like a slave"
IT IS YOUR THREAD AND YOUR COMPLAINT!
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Apr 16 2016, 06:00 PM
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Governments figured out that owning a person and keeping them on a plantation was inefficient. Productivity losses, rebellion, upkeep - instead let the person roam around an arbitrary plantation - think they are free and confiscate their productivity via taxation.
 It is nice to see that some Africans are becoming upwardly mobile.............
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Apr 16 2016, 06:08 PM
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The comparison contained in this thread and the comments made earlier towards Tsalagi represent a new low for the endless and selfish tantrums of conservatism.
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Apr 16 2016, 06:16 PM
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The comparison contained in this thread and the comments made earlier towards Tsalagi represent a new low for the endless and selfish tantrums of conservatism.
Liberal tantrums are keeping up...It is uncertain who reaches the lowest point first.......................
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Apr 16 2016, 06:21 PM
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Yes
Governments figured out that owning a person and keeping them on a plantation was inefficient. Productivity losses, rebellion, upkeep - instead let the person roam around an arbitrary plantation - think they are free and confiscate their productivity via taxation. If all taxation is slavery then slavery is the natural choice that humanity chooses for itself over an over again and you should go xxxx off to a different planet where governments do things without taxation. What a stupid person you are.
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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Apr 16 2016, 06:26 PM
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The comparison contained in this thread and the comments made earlier towards Tsalagi represent a new low for the endless and selfish tantrums of conservatism.
Liberal tantrums are keeping up...It is uncertain who reaches the lowest point first....................... Actually, no. But if there was a race to the bottom as you claim then conservatism has arrived in the sub-basement, sub-intelligence and sub-compassion not to mention sub-reality and sub-disgusting with this one.
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Apr 16 2016, 06:38 PM
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Governments figured out that owning a person and keeping them on a plantation was inefficient. Productivity losses, rebellion, upkeep - instead let the person roam around an arbitrary plantation - think they are free and confiscate their productivity via taxation.
If all taxation is slavery then slavery is the natural choice that humanity chooses for itself over an over again and you should go xxxx off to a different planet where governments do things without taxation. What a stupid person you are. The United States lasted 200 years without an income tax, comrade.
In fact - its initial founding was based upon a rebellion against an income tax.
Any other historical enlightenment you need just holla.
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Governments figured out that owning a person and keeping them on a plantation was inefficient. Productivity losses, rebellion, upkeep - instead let the person roam around an arbitrary plantation - think they are free and confiscate their productivity via taxation.
 Made $20 million selling environmentally friendly recycled soda bottle sandals to hipsters...God bless capitalism....Berkenstock not so amused...
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If all taxation is slavery then slavery is the natural choice that humanity chooses for itself over an over again and you should go xxxx off to a different planet where governments do things without taxation. What a stupid person you are.
The United States lasted 200 years without an income tax, comrade. In fact - its initial founding was based upon a rebellion against an income tax. Any other historical enlightenment you need just holla. The federal income tax is one specific tax dude. The United States has a long history of taxing its citizens before it's enactment. The constitution specifically grants the states and federal government the power to tax. We rebelled not simply because of taxation but the lack of corresponding representation. Your word games are amusing. Taxation is necessary and every human civilization will employ it in order to do things they deem important. You are not a slave to government. You are a slave to the human race. Which means you are not a slave at all.
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Apr 16 2016, 09:23 PM
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The United States lasted 200 years without an income tax, comrade. In fact - its initial founding was based upon a rebellion against an income tax. Any other historical enlightenment you need just holla.
The federal income tax is one specific tax dude. The United States has a long history of taxing its citizens before it's enactment. The constitution specifically grants the states and federal government the power to tax. We rebelled not simply because of taxation but the lack of corresponding representation. Your word games are amusing. Taxation is necessary and every human civilization will employ it in order to do things they deem important. You are not a slave to government. You are a slave to the human race. Which means you are not a slave at all. Yes indeed. But the income tax specifically taxes an individual's productivity, which kind of makes it relevant to this thread.
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The federal income tax is one specific tax dude. The United States has a long history of taxing its citizens before it's enactment. The constitution specifically grants the states and federal government the power to tax. We rebelled not simply because of taxation but the lack of corresponding representation. Your word games are amusing. Taxation is necessary and every human civilization will employ it in order to do things they deem important. You are not a slave to government. You are a slave to the human race. Which means you are not a slave at all. Yes indeed. But the income tax specifically taxes an individual's productivity, which kind of makes it relevant to this thread.
As far as things that "deem importance" - well, you just have to come up with a good reason as to why monopolies are necessary for human existence. I personally hate monopolies because I respect and individuals right to choice. What say you comrade?
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The federal income tax is one specific tax dude. The United States has a long history of taxing its citizens before it's enactment. The constitution specifically grants the states and federal government the power to tax. We rebelled not simply because of taxation but the lack of corresponding representation. Your word games are amusing. Taxation is necessary and every human civilization will employ it in order to do things they deem important. You are not a slave to government. You are a slave to the human race. Which means you are not a slave at all.
Yes indeed. But the income tax specifically taxes an individual's productivity, which kind of makes it relevant to this thread. You've been arguing broadly about taxation in general as slavery and having no say in social contracts which were enacted before the advent of estonianman. I have no interest in defending or debating the merits of a specific tax.
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You are a slave to the human race. Which means you are not a slave at all.
wtf does this even mean???
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