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I feel like a slave
Topic Started: Apr 15 2016, 05:16 PM (2,545 Views)
CautionaryTales
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Income tax doesn't tax productivity. It taxes income.
They aren't the same thing.

Some of the most productive people I know don't get paid well.
At the same time some of the laziest most worthless excuses for human beings get paid very well.

A small point, but important.


Have you paid your internet taxes?
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estonianman
Apr 16 2016, 09:27 PM
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You are a slave to the human race. Which means you are not a slave at all.


wtf does this even mean???
Libs love indentured servitude...
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Apr 16 2016, 09:27 PM
estonianman
Apr 16 2016, 09:23 PM
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Apr 16 2016, 09:15 PM

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Yes indeed. But the income tax specifically taxes an individual's productivity, which kind of makes it relevant to this thread.
You've been arguing broadly about taxation in general as slavery and having no say in social contracts which we enacted before the advent of estonianman. I have no interest in defending or debating the merits of a specific tax.
Did I ? where?

I think all taxation is immoral however the income tax most accurately represents the ownership of a persons' productivity.

This thread was focused on the income tax - sorry if I was not specific.
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CautionaryTales
Apr 16 2016, 09:29 PM
Income tax doesn't tax productivity. It taxes income.<br />They aren't the same thing.<br /><br />Some of the most productive people I know don't get paid well.<br />At the same time some of the laziest most worthless excuses for human beings get paid very well.<br /><br />A small point, but important.
Productivity is exchanged for income.

i understand there are exceptions but this is generally the case.
Edited by estonianman, Apr 16 2016, 09:31 PM.
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estonianman
Apr 16 2016, 09:27 PM
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You are a slave to the human race. Which means you are not a slave at all.


wtf does this even mean???
It means one can not be a slave to that which you are hard wired to do. Humans create civilisation which function under governments funded by taxation. It's not slavery. It is the natural order of things.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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estonianman
Apr 16 2016, 09:31 PM
CautionaryTales
Apr 16 2016, 09:29 PM
Income tax doesn't tax productivity. It taxes income.<br />They aren't the same thing.<br /><br />Some of the most productive people I know don't get paid well.<br />At the same time some of the laziest most worthless excuses for human beings get paid very well.<br /><br />A small point, but important.
Productivity is exchanged for income.

i understand there are exceptions but this is generally the case.
No. They are two different things.
How productive is Martin Skrelli?


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Apr 16 2016, 09:32 PM
estonianman
Apr 16 2016, 09:27 PM
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You are a slave to the human race. Which means you are not a slave at all.


wtf does this even mean???
It means one can not be a slave to that which you are hard wired to do. Humans create civilisation which function under governments funded by taxation. It's not slavery. It is the natural order of things.
it is true that oppressing minorities is inherent human behavior - but that does't mean that it it morally right.
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CautionaryTales
Apr 16 2016, 09:34 PM
estonianman
Apr 16 2016, 09:31 PM
CautionaryTales
Apr 16 2016, 09:29 PM
Income tax doesn't tax productivity. It taxes income.<br />They aren't the same thing.<br /><br />Some of the most productive people I know don't get paid well.<br />At the same time some of the laziest most worthless excuses for human beings get paid very well.<br /><br />A small point, but important.
Productivity is exchanged for income.

i understand there are exceptions but this is generally the case.
No. They are two different things.
How productive is Martin Skrelli?
I have no idea - how productive is he?
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Apr 16 2016, 09:32 PM
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Apr 16 2016, 09:27 PM
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You are a slave to the human race. Which means you are not a slave at all.


wtf does this even mean???
It means one can not be a slave to that which you are hard wired to do. Humans create civilisation which function under governments funded by taxation. It's not slavery. It is the natural order of things.
Good thing I live in a tax free destination...
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Apr 16 2016, 09:36 PM
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Apr 16 2016, 09:32 PM
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It means one can not be a slave to that which you are hard wired to do. Humans create civilisation which function under governments funded by taxation. It's not slavery. It is the natural order of things.
Good thing I live in a tax free destination...
And that is?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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Apr 16 2016, 09:35 PM
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Apr 16 2016, 09:32 PM
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Apr 16 2016, 09:27 PM

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It means one can not be a slave to that which you are hard wired to do. Humans create civilisation which function under governments funded by taxation. It's not slavery. It is the natural order of things.
it is true that oppressing minorities is inherent human behavior - but that does't mean that it it morally right.
The majority wins over the minority in a democratic societies. Sometimes it's oppression, most of the time it's called losing. Your ideas lose regularly. It's satisfyingly amusing how regularly they lose.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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Apr 16 2016, 06:26 PM
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Apr 16 2016, 06:08 PM
The comparison contained in this thread and the comments made earlier towards Tsalagi represent a new low for the endless and selfish tantrums of conservatism.

Liberal tantrums are keeping up...It is uncertain who reaches the lowest point first....................... :biggrin:
Actually, no. But if there was a race to the bottom as you claim then conservatism has arrived in the sub-basement, sub-intelligence and sub-compassion not to mention sub-reality and sub-disgusting with this one.

Perhaps your response illustrates my point................ :biggrin:
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Apr 16 2016, 09:32 PM
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Apr 16 2016, 09:27 PM
Ronin
 
You are a slave to the human race. Which means you are not a slave at all.


wtf does this even mean???
It means one can not be a slave to that which you are hard wired to do. Humans create civilisation which function under governments funded by taxation. It's not slavery. It is the natural order of things.
The closest thing I experienced to slavery was being in the military...I felt secure there and never had an urge to run away...I was a good slave and was never subjected to the lash....I attribute being raised in the military to my hard wired aptitude for being a slave............ :biggrin:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Apr 16 2016, 11:13 PM
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Apr 16 2016, 09:35 PM
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it is true that oppressing minorities is inherent human behavior - but that does't mean that it it morally right.
The majority wins over the minority in a democratic societies. Sometimes it's oppression, most of the time it's called losing. Your ideas lose regularly. It's satisfyingly amusing how regularly they lose.
Go on - you wish that they serve you, yes?
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Apr 17 2016, 01:11 AM
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Apr 16 2016, 11:13 PM
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The majority wins over the minority in a democratic societies. Sometimes it's oppression, most of the time it's called losing. Your ideas lose regularly. It's satisfyingly amusing how regularly they lose.
Go on - you wish that they serve you, yes?
No. Idiot.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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Go on - you wish that they serve you, yes?
No. Idiot.
haha .. gotcha sapphire.
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No. Idiot.
haha .. gotcha sapphire.
You think so?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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haha .. gotcha sapphire.
You think so?
It think you have a very obvious authoritarian streak, yes. A trait very reliant to this topic by the way.
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Apr 17 2016, 11:56 AM
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You think so?
It think you have a very obvious authoritarian streak, yes. A trait very reliant to this topic by the way.
What makes you think that professor?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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Apr 17 2016, 11:56 AM
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It think you have a very obvious authoritarian streak, yes. A trait very reliant to this topic by the way.
What makes you think that professor?
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The majority wins over the minority in a democratic societies. Sometimes it's oppression, most of the time it's called losing. Your ideas lose regularly. It's satisfyingly amusing how regularly they lose.


Its rare to get someone to actually brag about dominating a minority.

Good show mate! and a nice addition to this thread!
Edited by estonianman, Apr 17 2016, 02:37 PM.
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