Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Perspectives. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
I feel like a slave
Topic Started: Apr 15 2016, 05:16 PM (2,542 Views)
Mr. Tik
Member Avatar

estonianman
Apr 18 2016, 07:03 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 18 2016, 06:53 PM
estonianman
Apr 18 2016, 06:31 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted Image
Commerce always finds a way.
You should be thankful it does.
I don't have a problem with trade..I just do not share your selective orthodoxy in regards to it.
"Social contracts" can be used as a justification for slavery and moral hazards..but so can profit.
You show any corruption in gubmint..I can demonstrate a private sector complicity in that corruption.

Either is only as good as the humans administering it
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
estonianman
Member Avatar

Adolph Hipster
Apr 18 2016, 07:13 PM
estonianman
Apr 18 2016, 07:03 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 18 2016, 06:53 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted Image
You should be thankful it does.
I don't have a problem with trade..I just do not share your selective orthodoxy in regards to it.
"Social contracts" can be used as a justification for slavery and moral hazards..but so can profit.
You show any corruption in gubmint..I can demonstrate a private sector complicity in that corruption.

Either is only as good as the humans administering it
Profit is simply an
excess wealth - a social contract is an obligation.
Edited by estonianman, Apr 18 2016, 07:51 PM.
MEEK AND MILD
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
clone
Member Avatar
Director @ Center for Advanced Memetic Warfare
Tik wrote
Quote:
 
You show any corruption in gubmint..I can demonstrate a private sector complicity in that corruption.


Exactly our point....you opt for two entities complicit...I opt for one and if the gov't not involved the market...or the gambinos take care of the other ....

Atta's Venezuela didn't get there on the backs of free market trade...neither did the wealthy counties surrounding DC....
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mr. Tik
Member Avatar

clone
Apr 18 2016, 10:02 PM
Tik wrote
Quote:
 
You show any corruption in gubmint..I can demonstrate a private sector complicity in that corruption.


Exactly our point....you opt for two entities complicit...I opt for one and if the gov't not involved the market...or the gambinos take care of the other ....

Atta's Venezuela didn't get there on the backs of free market trade...neither did the wealthy counties surrounding DC....


estonianmanwrote
Quote:
 
Either is only as good as the humans administering it
Profit is simply an
excess wealth - a social contract is an obligation.
Whats the number one reason for corruption?
Profit..personal or otherwise.

Clone..can you rephrase your fist sentence..it doesn't really make sense to me

But here is a thought on "Gambinos'

I think the black market is pretty laizzez faire. Its not really regulated in any sense. And if regulations are applicable..bribes (profit for the willing recipient) and kickbacks can easily subvert that.

Look at all the money made by the cartels..where do you think that money goes?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

Do you think the bank execs care where that money comes from, ethically speaking?
How many legit business ventures have been funded with black money?
Look at the skyline of Miami for reference.

The market does not care about money's origins..just the money itself..and do you think that this will all just dissipate if gubmint is taken from the equation..it would just take out one middle man.
And the power vacuum would be filled by another entity.
Edited by Mr. Tik, Apr 19 2016, 12:23 AM.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mr. Tik
Member Avatar

Speaking of which..this is one of my favorite jams :nana:


Edited by Mr. Tik, Apr 19 2016, 12:31 AM.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
estonianman
Member Avatar

Adolph Hipster
Apr 19 2016, 12:22 AM
clone
Apr 18 2016, 10:02 PM
Tik wrote
Quote:
 
You show any corruption in gubmint..I can demonstrate a private sector complicity in that corruption.


Exactly our point....you opt for two entities complicit...I opt for one and if the gov't not involved the market...or the gambinos take care of the other ....

Atta's Venezuela didn't get there on the backs of free market trade...neither did the wealthy counties surrounding DC....


estonianmanwrote
Quote:
 
Either is only as good as the humans administering it
Profit is simply an
excess wealth - a social contract is an obligation.
Whats the number one reason for corruption?
Profit..personal or otherwise.

Clone..can you rephrase your fist sentence..it doesn't really make sense to me

But here is a thought on "Gambinos'

I think the black market is pretty laizzez faire. Its not really regulated in any sense. And if regulations are applicable..bribes (profit for the willing recipient) and kickbacks can easily subvert that.

Look at all the money made by the cartels..where do you think that money goes?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

Do you think the bank execs care where that money comes from, ethically speaking?
How many legit business ventures have been funded with black money?
Look at the skyline of Miami for reference.

The market does not care about money's origins..just the money itself..and do you think that this will all just dissipate if gubmint is taken from the equation..it would just take out one middle man.
And the power vacuum would be filled by another entity.
Human nature. That same behavior permeates government.
MEEK AND MILD
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mr. Tik
Member Avatar

estonianman
Apr 19 2016, 12:34 AM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 19 2016, 12:22 AM
clone
Apr 18 2016, 10:02 PM
Tik wrote
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Whats the number one reason for corruption?
Profit..personal or otherwise.

Clone..can you rephrase your fist sentence..it doesn't really make sense to me

But here is a thought on "Gambinos'

I think the black market is pretty laizzez faire. Its not really regulated in any sense. And if regulations are applicable..bribes (profit for the willing recipient) and kickbacks can easily subvert that.

Look at all the money made by the cartels..where do you think that money goes?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

Do you think the bank execs care where that money comes from, ethically speaking?
How many legit business ventures have been funded with black money?
Look at the skyline of Miami for reference.

The market does not care about money's origins..just the money itself..and do you think that this will all just dissipate if gubmint is taken from the equation..it would just take out one middle man.
And the power vacuum would be filled by another entity.
Human nature. That same behavior permeates government.
Well duh

Eliminating gubmint wont really change anything..the architecture may shift, but the dynamic will be the same.

With gubmint gone..the personalities that are corruptible by power and money will gravitate to whatever fills that vacuum..most likely private interest.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Robert Stout
Member Avatar

Adolph Hipster
Apr 19 2016, 12:39 AM
estonianman
Apr 19 2016, 12:34 AM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 19 2016, 12:22 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

Do you think the bank execs care where that money comes from, ethically speaking?
How many legit business ventures have been funded with black money?
Look at the skyline of Miami for reference.

The market does not care about money's origins..just the money itself..and do you think that this will all just dissipate if gubmint is taken from the equation..it would just take out one middle man.
And the power vacuum would be filled by another entity.
Human nature. That same behavior permeates government.
Well duh

Eliminating gubmint wont really change anything..the architecture may shift, but the dynamic will be the same.

With gubmint gone..the personalities that are corruptible by power and money will gravitate to whatever fills that vacuum..most likely private interest.
True...Politicians would set up their prostitution business in a new venue....Most likely becoming clergy................ :biggrin:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
« Previous Topic · Op EDITORIALS: personal & political governance · Next Topic »
Add Reply