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re: I feel like a slave
Topic Started: Apr 17 2016, 11:33 PM (1,688 Views)
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Apr 18 2016, 02:47 AM

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No, you're right, done without income taxes, it was done by military conquest.
Perhaps in esto's view..coercion is only coercion when a western capitalist has to pay taxes.
He's not at all against government coercion in general. He is against it as it applies to him because he doesn't want to pay the taxes that most people agree are lawful.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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No, you're right, done without income taxes, it was done by military conquest.
Perhaps in esto's view..coercion is only coercion when a western capitalist has to pay taxes.
Do you think the income tax is voluntary?

While I agree with you that westerners live relativity comfortable lives compared to human slaves - that said that quality of life degrades very quickly if you forfeit your duty to the state.
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Apr 18 2016, 01:44 PM
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Perhaps in esto's view..coercion is only coercion when a western capitalist has to pay taxes.
He's not at all against government coercion in general. He is against it as it applies to him because he doesn't want to pay the taxes that most people agree are lawful.
Do you have a source on this? I have always taken a stand on all forms of government coercion.
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Apr 18 2016, 12:24 PM
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Apr 18 2016, 12:55 AM

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All I am doing is suggesting that you guys quit whining and do something.
Trolling "statist" isn't gonna get any results, is it?
I get it..pissin' and moaning on a forum is one thing,
Growing a pair and doing something is quite another.
I do not follow. We are on an internet forum talking about this - that is the premise of this forum - philosophical debate.

No? Your propensity to make this personal indicates that you wish to avoid the moral fallacy of taxes.

I expect it from intellectually tepid posters like Cautionary tales - not from you though.
Edited by estonianman, Apr 18 2016, 02:25 PM.
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Apr 18 2016, 02:24 PM
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I get it..pissin' and moaning on a forum is one thing,
Growing a pair and doing something is quite another.
I do not follow. We are on an internet forum talking about this - that is the premise of this forum - philosophical debate.

No? Your propensity to make this personal indicates that you wish to avoid the moral fallacy of taxes.

I expect it from intellectually tepid posters like Cautionary tales - not from you though.
I am not avoiding anything. I merely believe that complaining (which you are doing) does little to achieve any results.
If you truly feel that paying taxes is such a moral affront, then action, not complaining is a more constructive course of action.

Besides..if a truly Libertarian "state" should ever come out of the process I am describing, then you and Right Wing and Big Mike
have a real life example to display to persuade others as opposed to posting libertarian screeds, memes or statist bashing on online forums.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Apr 18 2016, 02:52 PM
estonianman
Apr 18 2016, 02:24 PM
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I do not follow. We are on an internet forum talking about this - that is the premise of this forum - philosophical debate.

No? Your propensity to make this personal indicates that you wish to avoid the moral fallacy of taxes.

I expect it from intellectually tepid posters like Cautionary tales - not from you though.
I am not avoiding anything. I merely believe that complaining (which you are doing) does little to achieve any results.
If you truly feel that paying taxes is such a moral affront, then action, not complaining is a more constructive course of action.

Besides..if a truly Libertarian "state" should ever come out of the process I am describing, then you and Right Wing and Big Mike
have a real life example to display to persuade others as opposed to posting libertarian screeds, memes or statist bashing on online forums.
Perhaps we can get the opinion of someone that has been thrown in a government cage.

All I am stating is the social contract could have been used to justify slavery.
Edited by estonianman, Apr 18 2016, 02:54 PM.
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Apr 18 2016, 02:22 PM
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Apr 18 2016, 01:44 PM
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He's not at all against government coercion in general. He is against it as it applies to him because he doesn't want to pay the taxes that most people agree are lawful.
Do you have a source on this? I have always taken a stand on all forms of government coercion.
No source. I just said it to annoy you.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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Do you have a source on this? I have always taken a stand on all forms of government coercion.
No source. I just said it to annoy you.
Thanks for your honesty.
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Esto...be a good lil slave and go cut my grass.
Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 18 2016, 03:11 PM.


Have you paid your internet taxes?
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By the way... I'm not asking. I'm ordering you to cut that grass


Have you paid your internet taxes?
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estonianman
Apr 18 2016, 12:16 PM
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Apr 18 2016, 12:14 PM
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Apr 18 2016, 12:05 PM

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Since when is agreeing to work for someone considered slavery?
I agree. But then we have this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery
Thanks for your assistance............. :biggrin:
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Apr 18 2016, 03:24 PM
By the way... I'm not asking. I'm ordering you to cut that grass
If you had a gun - would you consider that a voluntary exchange?
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Apr 18 2016, 12:19 AM
Well?
Relax bro....We are working on it...

Liberland: How one man plans to build a new libertarian paradise in Europe

Exclusive: Vit Jedlicka is the self-proclaimed president of 'the youngest country in the world', a land free from regulation on disputed territory between Croatia and Serbia. He tells The Independent he now has too many backers to be stopped


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-libertarian-about-to-launch-a-hostile-takeover-of-europes-newest-country-a6988741.html
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Apr 18 2016, 04:41 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 18 2016, 12:19 AM
Well?
Relax bro....We are working on it...

Liberland: How one man plans to build a new libertarian paradise in Europe

Exclusive: Vit Jedlicka is the self-proclaimed president of 'the youngest country in the world', a land free from regulation on disputed territory between Croatia and Serbia. He tells The Independent he now has too many backers to be stopped


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-libertarian-about-to-launch-a-hostile-takeover-of-europes-newest-country-a6988741.html
Well, there you go there, esto!
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Apr 18 2016, 05:08 PM
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Apr 18 2016, 04:41 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 18 2016, 12:19 AM
Well?
Relax bro....We are working on it...

Liberland: How one man plans to build a new libertarian paradise in Europe

Exclusive: Vit Jedlicka is the self-proclaimed president of 'the youngest country in the world', a land free from regulation on disputed territory between Croatia and Serbia. He tells The Independent he now has too many backers to be stopped


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-libertarian-about-to-launch-a-hostile-takeover-of-europes-newest-country-a6988741.html
Well, there you go there, esto!
They still have internet - so you will still get offended by all these anti-authoritarian threads.
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Apr 18 2016, 05:21 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepLiberland: How one man plans to build a new libertarian paradise in Europe

Exclusive: Vit Jedlicka is the self-proclaimed president of 'the youngest country in the world', a land free from regulation on disputed territory between Croatia and Serbia. He tells The Independent he now has too many backers to be stopped


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-libertarian-about-to-launch-a-hostile-takeover-of-europes-newest-country-a6988741.html
Well, there you go there, esto!
They still have internet - so you will still get offended by all these anti-authoritarian threads.
Offended? :lol:

I am merely encouraging you to follow your dreams.
And really..you seem more offended by my threads than I am with yours. That Ayn Rand thread from a way back..you got rather snippy.
Edited by Mr. Tik, Apr 18 2016, 06:24 PM.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Edited by Mr. Tik, Apr 18 2016, 06:24 PM.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepLiberland: How one man plans to build a new libertarian paradise in Europe

Exclusive: Vit Jedlicka is the self-proclaimed president of 'the youngest country in the world', a land free from regulation on disputed territory between Croatia and Serbia. He tells The Independent he now has too many backers to be stopped


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-libertarian-about-to-launch-a-hostile-takeover-of-europes-newest-country-a6988741.html
They still have internet - so you will still get offended by all these anti-authoritarian threads.
Offended? :lol:

I am merely encouraging you to follow your dreams.
And really..you seem more offended by my threads than I am with yours. That Ayn Rand thread from a way back..you got rather snippy.
I am following my dreams comrade. No need to get personal here ....
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepLiberland: How one man plans to build a new libertarian paradise in Europe

Exclusive: Vit Jedlicka is the self-proclaimed president of 'the youngest country in the world', a land free from regulation on disputed territory between Croatia and Serbia. He tells The Independent he now has too many backers to be stopped


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-libertarian-about-to-launch-a-hostile-takeover-of-europes-newest-country-a6988741.html
Offended? :lol:

I am merely encouraging you to follow your dreams.
And really..you seem more offended by my threads than I am with yours. That Ayn Rand thread from a way back..you got rather snippy.
I am following my dreams comrade. No need to get personal here ....
I am not getting personal
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepLiberland: How one man plans to build a new libertarian paradise in Europe

Exclusive: Vit Jedlicka is the self-proclaimed president of 'the youngest country in the world', a land free from regulation on disputed territory between Croatia and Serbia. He tells The Independent he now has too many backers to be stopped


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-libertarian-about-to-launch-a-hostile-takeover-of-europes-newest-country-a6988741.html
I am following my dreams comrade. No need to get personal here ....
I am not getting personal
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