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| CautionaryTales | May 17 2016, 02:06 PM Post #41 |
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People have freedom of religion. It lasts tight up until it crosses the line of imposing on freedoms that other people equally have. The line that gets crossed is changed every moment. Dance close to the line and you risk crossing that line and whatever the consequences of that action will come your way. That's how it works with every "freedom" that exists. There isn't any absolute freedom. It's alway open to critique as to whether it is beyond the boundaries of acceptability. |
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| Opinionated | May 17 2016, 02:09 PM Post #42 |
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There were in fact many reasons why European immigrants came to the North American continent. One was so that they could build their own societies and force their religion on everyone within that society. We like to call this "religious freedom" today, but the reality is that most of the original colonies that were built around religious observance, and there were many of them, didn't believe in "live and let live" when it comes to religion, they believed in "believe as we believe, or be driven from our town/colony". It seems that many conservatives adhere to the same general concept. You are not free to practice your religion any way you wish. If your religion believes in human sacrifice, you don't get to do that. If your religion believes that other people's possessions are yours for the taking, you don't get to do that. If you believe your religion requires you to walk down main street naked, you don't get to do that. If your religion requires you to urinate on women who show their bare midriffs, you don't get to do that. And in some states, if your religion requires you to refuse to sell wedding cakes to homosexuals, but you have no problem selling them to heterosexuals, you don't get to do that. Get used to the fact that having a religion is not a get out of jail free card for whatever in the hell you want to do. |
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| Mr. Tik | May 17 2016, 02:19 PM Post #43 |
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I wouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater here. Gay Marriage is a positive step forward in general. Unfortunately, it is often human nature to use past injustices as a justification to be assholes. In "Mans search for meaning", Holocaust survivor Victor Frankl observed that after being liberated from the death camps, many of his fellow Jews used their experience as an excuse to behave poorly towards others. |
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up | |
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| Demagogue | May 17 2016, 02:20 PM Post #44 |
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Fortunately your position is only true in the most left leaning least religion friendly states. On the bright side, there is possibly an out even in those states. Instead of calling your business a public business you set it up as a private club that requires membership. Then you can refuse service to anyone for any reason.
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| People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm. | |
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| Robertr2000 | May 17 2016, 02:36 PM Post #45 |
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Why is "GOP" offensive? |
| "if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses" | |
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| jake58 | May 17 2016, 02:40 PM Post #46 |
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There were in fact many reasons why European immigrants came to the North American continent. One was so that they could build their own societies and force their religion on everyone within that society. We like to call this "religious freedom" today, but the reality is that most of the original colonies that were built around religious observance, and there were many of them, didn't believe in "live and let live" when it comes to religion, they believed in "believe as we believe, or be driven from our town/colony". The reason that the FIRST immigrants came here was to freely practice their religion, which they were unable to do in any part of their homeland and suffered persecutions for it. Others who came to the US and didn't want to be involved with that religion were free to go to any other part of the nearly 4 million square miles of the US to practice or not practice their religion or nonreligion. They didn't need someone like you telling them they should live with people who didn't believe what they believed, which would have been pretty uncomfortable in those days. You are not free to practice your religion any way you wish. If your religion believes in human sacrifice, you don't get to do that. If your religion believes that other people's possessions are yours for the taking, you don't get to do that. If you believe your religion requires you to walk down main street naked, you don't get to do that. If your religion requires you to urinate on women who show their bare midriffs, you don't get to do that. Oh look, a handy list of straw men, indicative of nothing. And in some states, if your religion requires you to refuse to sell wedding cakes to homosexuals, but you have no problem selling them to heterosexuals, you don't get to do that. Sure you do, you just say that you're already baking 10 cakes that day and that's your limit. Your attempt to force people to do things that they don't want to do goes for nought. And we wonder why people lie so easily... it's mandated when dealing with the govt. |
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| Two a.m. | May 17 2016, 02:40 PM Post #47 |
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Yeah, I still favor marriage equality. Always have. I just wish that people would learn that individual freedom is for everyone, not a personal commodity to be won by some groups and taken away from others. |
| "The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984 | |
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| Coast2coast | May 17 2016, 03:28 PM Post #48 |
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No. Its a scam. The use of their religion to selectively targets homosexuality is what is going on here. They hug the Bible and their beliefs that far and no further. Eat shellfish - heck serving it at the wedding, no problem. Divorced, no problem. Gay? Oh, that's a problem. If one uses their religion to deny a person a service but targets it so specifically then its not a religious stand, its a personal one. Its a prejudice on display and not a religious belief. Worse than that it places the blame on God. "It's not me, its God." Its a scam. |
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| Coast2coast | May 17 2016, 03:36 PM Post #49 |
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An era of growth is not an era of repression. |
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| Opinionated | May 17 2016, 03:46 PM Post #50 |
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If it's not a "public accommodation" then you can be as much of a bigot as you want. |
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| Dem4life | May 17 2016, 03:49 PM Post #51 |
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If a religious person wants to discriminate against someone else b/c of their religious beliefs, they should be forced to prove God exists first... |
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| Two a.m. | May 17 2016, 04:19 PM Post #52 |
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But growth of what exactly? Certainly not religious liberty or personal freedom - at least not for certain people with dissenting views. And if we don't stand up for the dissenters, we don't really have rights or freedoms at all. We merely have temporary allowances granted by social mores which can be revoked at any time. I'm glad gays can marry. It is a long overdue advance which I favored for years. But my joy has been tempered by the rise of a regressive and disturbing progressivism that wishes to employ state power to assert itself intrusively and unnecessarily into the personal lives and habits of people for whom it has no justifiable public policy reason for bothering. |
| "The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984 | |
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| Demagogue | May 17 2016, 04:28 PM Post #53 |
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Technically places like Sams Club and Costco are private clubs. So in the end, even if we are completely idiotic and allow the persecution of religious people at least they do have some path still open to them eh? |
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| clone | May 17 2016, 04:40 PM Post #54 |
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My business, my customers....you don't like it ...go somewhere else.... |
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Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence. | |
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| Opinionated | May 17 2016, 05:25 PM Post #55 |
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If you can't play by the rules of commerce, then by all means set yourself up your own little private club where you can discriminate all you want. The rest of us are going to be civilized and not refuse to provide service to people based on highly debatable religious interpretations and who aren't harming us in the least. |
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| Robert Stout | May 17 2016, 05:49 PM Post #56 |
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You should see what the homosexual bakery did to the cake I ordered !!! I think I will sue..............
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| Freaks | May 17 2016, 06:23 PM Post #57 |
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Sometimes I hear the argument that the atheist is smug, they smile and think they know better during an argument. It's the same damn thing religious folks do too though.
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"I'll be the fella to save his Cinderella, by turnin' her dream world into real life." | |
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| Freaks | May 17 2016, 06:24 PM Post #58 |
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You did ask for their special homemade glaze, you should have known better. |
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"I'll be the fella to save his Cinderella, by turnin' her dream world into real life." | |
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| Robert Stout | May 17 2016, 06:29 PM Post #59 |
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DNA testing will determine exactly who did it.............
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| Robertr2000 | May 17 2016, 11:10 PM Post #60 |
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"Gay Pastor Apologizes After Accusing Whole Foods of Writing Slur on Chocolate Cake" Go look it up yourselves. |
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