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Yes, Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat — and Hillary represents the very worst of the party
Topic Started: Apr 21 2016, 02:10 PM (1,646 Views)
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http://www.salon.com/2016/04/20/yes_bernie_sanders_is_not_a_democrat_and_hillary_represents_the_very_worst_of_the_party/

A new strategy has emerged in the Hillary Clinton camp: No longer even try to match Bernie Sanders’ left-wing politics — which the Wall Street-backed multimillionaire war hawk Clinton is fundamentally incapable of doing. Instead, appeal to authority and accuse the democratic socialist of disloyalty to the corrupt Democratic Party.

Clinton’s campaign did just that this week, condemning Sanders for “trying to convince the next generation of progressives that the Democratic Party is corrupt.”

The notion that Sanders had to try to convince progressives of this in the first place is ludicrous. The warmongering, corporate-funded, pro-privatization Democratic Party leadership has long made it loud and clear that it is thoroughly corrupt and reactionary.
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If Senator Sanders thinks that the Democratic Party is warmongering, corporate-funded, pro-privatization and thoroughly corrupt, then why in the world did he join the Democratic Party a few months ago?

He could have ran as an Independent (which he claims himself to be) or a Socialist (which he claims himself to be). Why choose the Democratic Party if it is so terribly corrupt?
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It's good to know the democratic forum is afraid of debate
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Bernies ties to the Democratic party is simply a matter of convenience for him. He used the party to gain national recognition, fame power, and money. When the time comes later this summer he'll simply ignore his financial obligations to help other democratic candidates up for elections.

If Bernie Sanders truly wanted to promote his Democratic Socialist ideology he would work to promote a Democratic majority in congress. This would help ensure his ideas and beliefs see the light of day and perhaps become law.

But instead, he'll likely just return to the Senate this fall and do little or nothing to promote his ideology except complain about losing the nomination.

Bernie could care less about the Democratic party as you will see by his lack of financial support for Democratic candidates. Nor will he barely lift a finger to help Hillary when the times comes.

Oh, you'll see him shake some hands and make a keynote speech at the DNC convention, where he talks about the importance party unity. But that's about all the help Democrats will be getting from what's in it for me Bernie.


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coverpoint
Apr 21 2016, 02:24 PM
If Senator Sanders thinks that the Democratic Party is warmongering, corporate-funded, pro-privatization and thoroughly corrupt, then why in the world did he join the Democratic Party a few months ago?

He could have ran as an Independent (which he claims himself to be) or a Socialist (which he claims himself to be). Why choose the Democratic Party if it is so terribly corrupt?
The article addresses that. And it isn't speaking for Senator Sanders, he's quite capable of speaking for himself.
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Apr 21 2016, 02:49 PM
Bernies ties to the Democratic party is simply a matter of convenience for him. He used the party to gain national recognition, fame power, and money. When the time comes later this summer he'll simply ignore his financial obligations to help other democratic candidates up for elections.

If Bernie Sanders truly wanted to promote his Democratic Socialist ideology he would work to promote a Democratic majority in congress. This would help ensure his ideas and beliefs see the light of day and perhaps become law.

But instead, he'll likely just return to the Senate this fall and do little or nothing to promote his ideology except complain about losing the nomination.

Bernie could care less about the Democratic party as you will see by his lack of financial support for Democratic candidates. Nor will he barely lift a finger to help Hillary when the times comes.

Oh, you'll see him shake some hands and make a keynote speech at the DNC convention, where he talks about the importance party unity. But that's about all the help Democrats will be getting from what's in it for me Bernie.


On what do you base the statement that he has "financial obligations" to help other democratic candidates?

And don't believe that he ran to gain national recognition, fame, power, and money.
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coverpoint
Apr 21 2016, 02:24 PM
If Senator Sanders thinks that the Democratic Party is warmongering, corporate-funded, pro-privatization and thoroughly corrupt, then why in the world did he join the Democratic Party a few months ago?

He could have ran as an Independent (which he claims himself to be) or a Socialist (which he claims himself to be). Why choose the Democratic Party if it is so terribly corrupt?
Probably to turn it into a party the serves the public, not Goldman Sachs or the industrial military complex, or the state of Israel

In other words, fighting the corruption that rots the core of it's soul

What a novel concept, he must be stopped!
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Apr 21 2016, 02:30 PM
Moved to Op-Ed; articles (or members) that attack the Party do not belong on the Dem/lib board.
Hey Musselini, put this thread back where it originated
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Apr 21 2016, 05:00 PM
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Apr 21 2016, 02:24 PM
If Senator Sanders thinks that the Democratic Party is warmongering, corporate-funded, pro-privatization and thoroughly corrupt, then why in the world did he join the Democratic Party a few months ago?

He could have ran as an Independent (which he claims himself to be) or a Socialist (which he claims himself to be). Why choose the Democratic Party if it is so terribly corrupt?
The article addresses that. And it isn't speaking for Senator Sanders, he's quite capable of speaking for himself.
I have read the article and it does not address why Senator Sanders decided a few months ago to join such a "corrupt" political party.
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Apr 21 2016, 06:12 PM
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Apr 21 2016, 05:00 PM
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Apr 21 2016, 02:24 PM
If Senator Sanders thinks that the Democratic Party is warmongering, corporate-funded, pro-privatization and thoroughly corrupt, then why in the world did he join the Democratic Party a few months ago?

He could have ran as an Independent (which he claims himself to be) or a Socialist (which he claims himself to be). Why choose the Democratic Party if it is so terribly corrupt?
The article addresses that. And it isn't speaking for Senator Sanders, he's quite capable of speaking for himself.
I have read the article and it does not address why Senator Sanders decided a few months ago to join such a "corrupt" political party.
You seem to be equating what is said in the article to Senator Sanders' personal beliefs. I think we would have to ask Senator Sanders if he believes the Democratic Party to be as corrupt as the article claims, and receive a positive response, before we can reasonably ask him why he would join such a corrupt party.

I don't know that I completely agree that the party is as corrupt as the article indicates, but there are some good points made. I thought it was worth posting as a conversation starter if nothing else.
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coverpoint
Apr 21 2016, 06:12 PM
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Apr 21 2016, 05:00 PM
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Apr 21 2016, 02:24 PM
If Senator Sanders thinks that the Democratic Party is warmongering, corporate-funded, pro-privatization and thoroughly corrupt, then why in the world did he join the Democratic Party a few months ago?

He could have ran as an Independent (which he claims himself to be) or a Socialist (which he claims himself to be). Why choose the Democratic Party if it is so terribly corrupt?
The article addresses that. And it isn't speaking for Senator Sanders, he's quite capable of speaking for himself.
I have read the article and it does not address why Senator Sanders decided a few months ago to join such a "corrupt" political party.
Yes, it does.

"Sanders, a longtime independent, is not a party hack. He is a principled leftist who is only running on the Democratic ticket because he knows this, at the present political moment, is the only way he could have a chance of winning.

And he is right."


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Apr 21 2016, 05:24 PM
coverpoint
Apr 21 2016, 02:24 PM
If Senator Sanders thinks that the Democratic Party is warmongering, corporate-funded, pro-privatization and thoroughly corrupt, then why in the world did he join the Democratic Party a few months ago?

He could have ran as an Independent (which he claims himself to be) or a Socialist (which he claims himself to be). Why choose the Democratic Party if it is so terribly corrupt?
Probably to turn it into a party the serves the public, not Goldman Sachs or the industrial military complex, or the state of Israel

In other words, fighting the corruption that rots the core of it's soul

What a novel concept, he must be stopped!
Well, frankly, I do not know of a single Democrat that asked him to join the Democratic Party a few months ago to save us from the "industrial military complex" that he thinks is rotting us to the core. I mean, thanks Senator Sanders for your attemp at saving us but I think the Party of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Charles Schemer, Patty Murray, Barbara Boxer, Michael Bennet, Barbara Mikulski, Elizabeth Warren and your fellow Senator from Vermont Patrick Leahy (who you’re ran against) are doing just fine without your help.

Why didn't he re-join the Socialist Party of America and save them from their non-capitalist view of socialism and convert them to "democratic socialists"?

Seems like that would have been a more worthwhile undertaking.
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Apr 21 2016, 05:24 PM
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Apr 21 2016, 02:24 PM
If Senator Sanders thinks that the Democratic Party is warmongering, corporate-funded, pro-privatization and thoroughly corrupt, then why in the world did he join the Democratic Party a few months ago?

He could have ran as an Independent (which he claims himself to be) or a Socialist (which he claims himself to be). Why choose the Democratic Party if it is so terribly corrupt?
Probably to turn it into a party the serves the public, not Goldman Sachs or the industrial military complex, or the state of Israel

In other words, fighting the corruption that rots the core of it's soul

What a novel concept, he must be stopped!
Nope. From the article "Sanders, a longtime independent, is not a party hack. He is a principled leftist who is only running on the Democratic ticket because he knows this, at the present political moment, is the only way he could have a chance of winning.

And he is right."


Purely self-serving.
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Apr 21 2016, 06:25 PM
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Apr 21 2016, 05:24 PM
coverpoint
Apr 21 2016, 02:24 PM
If Senator Sanders thinks that the Democratic Party is warmongering, corporate-funded, pro-privatization and thoroughly corrupt, then why in the world did he join the Democratic Party a few months ago?

He could have ran as an Independent (which he claims himself to be) or a Socialist (which he claims himself to be). Why choose the Democratic Party if it is so terribly corrupt?
Probably to turn it into a party the serves the public, not Goldman Sachs or the industrial military complex, or the state of Israel

In other words, fighting the corruption that rots the core of it's soul

What a novel concept, he must be stopped!
Well, frankly, I do not know of a single Democrat that asked him to join the Democratic Party a few months ago to save us from the "industrial military complex" that he thinks is rotting us to the core. I mean, thanks Senator Sanders for your attemp at saving us but I think the Party of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Charles Schemer, Patty Murray, Barbara Boxer, Michael Bennet, Barbara Mikulski, Elizabeth Warren and your fellow Senator from Vermont Patrick Leahy (who you’re ran against) are doing just fine without your help.

Why didn't he re-join the Socialist Party of America and save them from their non-capitalist view of socialism and convert them to "democratic socialists"?

Seems like that would have been a more worthwhile undertaking.
Or how about this, you and those who think like you go join the John Birch Society, seeing that anyone who sticks to FDR style ideals are anti-capitalism commies

You'd fit right in
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Apr 21 2016, 02:44 PM
It's good to know the democratic forum is afraid of debate
And, I only hope you have such radical moderators on your Conservative and Republican Boards behalf; when you guys blast Trump and the GOP, and your posts get moved.

(I would think in-house fighting would stay "in house". A lot better than airing our dirty laundry in public).
When it comes to lying, cheating, or stealing, consult your DNC or GOP handbook.
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Apr 21 2016, 06:56 PM
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Apr 21 2016, 02:44 PM
It's good to know the democratic forum is afraid of debate
And, I only hope you have such radical moderators on your Conservative and Republican Boards behalf; when you guys blast Trump and the GOP, and your posts get moved.

(I would think in-house fighting would stay "in house". A lot better than airing our dirty laundry in public).
Voted4Reagan's post stating that he left the GOP has not been removed . . .
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Oh, you mean 'in house' as in a board where anyone can still read the postings? That kind of 'in house'?
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Apr 21 2016, 06:23 PM
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I have read the article and it does not address why Senator Sanders decided a few months ago to join such a "corrupt" political party.
Yes, it does.

"Sanders, a longtime independent, is not a party hack. He is a principled leftist who is only running on the Democratic ticket because he knows this, at the present political moment, is the only way he could have a chance of winning.

And he is right."


Oh, so you make the decision on who is a democrat and who is a republican?

If Bernie isn't a "democrat", why did the democrats let him run on the democratic ticket???

Seems like every word out of Bernie's mouth would have been championed by the Democratic Party pre-1980.

But, times have changed and we aren't really "democrats" any more, are we?

How and when the Democratic Party changed and lost it's moral imperative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5_JV7I0hYE&ebc=ANyPxKoE5gd2Q_dK8u-oC59AvN18Y7m86SMg4ZSWJVcB9vcChor8MRWjgHkFPbjvX_BrXD8pbx3TqpLOk0LU3vjO4l3DOQ4evw
When it comes to lying, cheating, or stealing, consult your DNC or GOP handbook.
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Apr 21 2016, 06:57 PM
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Apr 21 2016, 06:56 PM
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Apr 21 2016, 02:44 PM
It's good to know the democratic forum is afraid of debate
And, I only hope you have such radical moderators on your Conservative and Republican Boards behalf; when you guys blast Trump and the GOP, and your posts get moved.

(I would think in-house fighting would stay "in house". A lot better than airing our dirty laundry in public).
Voted4Reagan's post stating that he left the GOP has not been removed . . .
Well then, you obviously have different moderators than we do.
When it comes to lying, cheating, or stealing, consult your DNC or GOP handbook.
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