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Why are young leftists crying for change?; I thought they were satisfied with the change Obama promised them
Topic Started: Apr 21 2016, 07:14 PM (1,144 Views)
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Apr 23 2016, 04:41 PM
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Apr 23 2016, 04:33 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renunciation_of_citizenship

pwned.

and the rest of your post is your typical anecdotal circle jerking.
Renunciation is one way to walk clear. Walking into the woods is another way, along with buying a boat...
Come on... use that big brain of yours for something more than a hood ornament.
Why would you worry about any renunciation? That implies that you accept that you are a responsible citizen.

Statist.
Yeah. Instead of criticizing the US government, Eddo should buy a boat.

Come back to reality pops.
If he wants to be free that's one way. If he wants to accept the benefits of living here, that comes with the responsibility of paying his way.
He can walk. There are societies that he can go to. There are individual lives in the wilderness that he can adopt.

All it takes is the resolve to want something more suitable to yourself.
Every illegal immigrant is doing exactly that...showing more backbone than you will ever show.
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Yeah. Instead of criticizing the US government, Eddo should buy a boat.

Come back to reality pops.
If he wants to be free that's one way. If he wants to accept the benefits of living here, that comes with the responsibility of paying his way.
He can walk. There are societies that he can go to. There are individual lives in the wilderness that he can adopt.

All it takes is the resolve to want something more suitable to yourself.
Every illegal immigrant is doing exactly that...showing more backbone than you will ever show.
Yeah - and they get put in cages by government and deported. Basically what you are saying is accept government or submit yourself to coyotajes.

Better luck in our next conversation.
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Apr 23 2016, 04:04 PM
Maybe the "entitled" younger generation is sick being given $20 trillion debt completely wasted by the older generations.
Yet millennials are all circle jerking to Bernie Sanders, who would easily double that in 5 years.
Right. For all the 'free' stuff (the definition of free being paid for by someone else, like always). They want it both ways.

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If he wants to be free that's one way. If he wants to accept the benefits of living here, that comes with the responsibility of paying his way.
He can walk. There are societies that he can go to. There are individual lives in the wilderness that he can adopt.

All it takes is the resolve to want something more suitable to yourself.
Every illegal immigrant is doing exactly that...showing more backbone than you will ever show.
Yeah - and they get put in cages by government and deported. Basically what you are saying is accept government or submit yourself to coyotajes.

Better luck in our next conversation.
I'm saying that illegal immigrants have more balls than you have. They actually do something about the life they don't like.
You just whine about it on anonymous Internet forums.


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Yeah - and they get put in cages by government and deported. Basically what you are saying is accept government or submit yourself to coyotajes.

Better luck in our next conversation.
I'm saying that illegal immigrants have more balls than you have. They actually do something about the life they don't like.
You just whine about it on anonymous Internet forums.


You don't know the first thing about immigration so shut your yap

What you are saying is that you support the deplorable conditions that immigrants have to face when leaving one governmental jurisdiction for another. That this is the only option in your opinion other then full consent to the "social contract".

So in your option for Eddo, who is rightfully concerned about the 20 trillion in national debt, is run off into the woods, swim the Rio Grande and submit himself to cartels or buy a boat and sail off into the horizon.

I know you consider yourself serious and not a troll, which is the saddest part of our conversations.
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Apr 23 2016, 04:59 PM
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Maybe the "entitled" younger generation is sick being given $20 trillion debt completely wasted by the older generations.
Yet millennials are all circle jerking to Bernie Sanders, who would easily double that in 5 years.
Right. For all the 'free' stuff (the definition of free being paid for by someone else, like always). They want it both ways.

The idea is that it is payed by taxes and fees - what they do not understand is they will change the behavior of whatever they tax.

They can tax HFT at 1 cent per dollar, but that cost will simply get passed on to 401k holders along with compliance costs. There will also be increased efforts to get around this tax.
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I'm saying that illegal immigrants have more balls than you have. They actually do something about the life they don't like.
You just whine about it on anonymous Internet forums.
and i am saying that you support the deplorable conditions that immigrants have to face when leaving one governmental jurisdiction for another. This is the only option in your opinion other then full consent to the "social contract".

So your option for Eddo who is rightfully concerned about the 20 trillion in national debt, is run off into the woods, swim the Rio Grande and submit himself to cartels or buy a boat and sail off into the horizon.

I know you consider yourself serious and not a troll, which is the saddest part of our conversations.
They are an example of people that have the courage to do something about their actual, real ..miserable lot in life. I admire them for their guts and determination. For their will to make their lives better.
You are an example of someone that lacks the courage to do anything more than to whine about your first world problems while you lounge by your (maybe) swimming pool. I laugh at you for your make believe societal angst.
You are pitiful in comparison.
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and i am saying that you support the deplorable conditions that immigrants have to face when leaving one governmental jurisdiction for another. This is the only option in your opinion other then full consent to the "social contract".

So your option for Eddo who is rightfully concerned about the 20 trillion in national debt, is run off into the woods, swim the Rio Grande and submit himself to cartels or buy a boat and sail off into the horizon.

I know you consider yourself serious and not a troll, which is the saddest part of our conversations.
They are an example of people that have the courage to do something about their actual, real ..miserable lot in life. I admire them for their guts and determination. For their will to make their lives better.
You are an example of someone that lacks the courage to do anything more than to whine about your first world problems while you lounge by your (maybe) swimming pool. I laugh at you for your make believe societal angst.
You are pitiful in comparison.
Like I said - you don't know the first thing about immigration so shut your yap.

And your anecdotal attacks indicate that this is the point where you will continue repeating the same thing over and over for 5 pages until you eventually find another thread to spoil.

We'll see what Eddo replies - I am finished with you.

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They are an example of people that have the courage to do something about their actual, real ..miserable lot in life. I admire them for their guts and determination. For their will to make their lives better.
You are an example of someone that lacks the courage to do anything more than to whine about your first world problems while you lounge by your (maybe) swimming pool. I laugh at you for your make believe societal angst.
You are pitiful in comparison.
Like I said - you don't know the first thing about immigration so shut your yap.

And your anecdotal attacks indicate that this is the point where you will continue repeating the same thing over and over for 5 pages until you eventually find another thread to spoil.

We'll see what Eddo replies - I am finished with you.

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Right. For all the 'free' stuff (the definition of free being paid for by someone else, like always). They want it both ways.

The idea is that it is payed by taxes and fees - what they do not understand is they will change the behavior of whatever they tax.

They can tax HFT at 1 cent per dollar, but that cost will simply get passed on to 401k holders along with compliance costs. There will also be increased efforts to get around this tax.
That's the point I poorly made. SOMEONE pays for it all (OR it gets tacked on to the debt) and the richer you are, the less you'll pay for it.

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Apr 21 2016, 07:38 PM
There was a lot of change under Obama in the areas of foreign affairs, civil rights, financial oversight and healthcare.

The problem with the young is they are always more radical and rebellious than the society as a whole. I was that way when I was young and the generation before me was the same. We tend to grow and mature are realize the realities of the world, a view that is more realistic than idealistic.

We then turn to actually accomplishing things rather than just make speeches and march.
Now that's rich. Didn't you vote for him based on those two words?
No, I don't vote based on slogans I vote based on candidate research, policy proposals and past history.
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Apr 23 2016, 04:23 PM
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Maybe the "entitled" younger generation is sick being given $20 trillion debt completely wasted by the older generations.
You understand that the country you currently live in and that has accepted this debt (largely to ourselves) was not built this way for free? Right?

I'll tell you the same thing I have told many others. You choose to live here and you don't have to accept the benefits and the responsibilities of maintaining a 240 year old society.

You can walk clear anytime with no future obligation or fear that anyone will hold you personally responsible to pay for any of the improvements in the infrastructure or the social benefits we have built over the decades.

It's really all in your own hands.

Your creditors the millennials never accepted the debt, it happened before we were born and had no say to it. You gave it to us before you plan on being long dead before seeing it paid off. It's all your generation spend spend spend it all on yourselves and give the bill to someone else with nothing to show for the money.

So well me where the 20 trillion you and the previous generation borrowed has gone to the betterment of the society? Show how two failed wars that has absolutely nothing to do with freedom which was voted by your generation contributed to the benefit of this society. And perhaps every war since WWII, which increased the national debt 10-fold and puts the money to corporations rather than the people. Oh it doesn't one single bit.

If every generation increased the national debt, it will never be paid off and just keeps increasing with interest for the rest, and we'll be the poorest nation forever and lose all lands when the money owed is demanded back. Any generation that added to the national debt failed this country, especially when the money they borrowed got blown to smoke. They leave it to another generation to pay it off for them. Your generation did not make the country better.

And also you can't walk away for free. Giving up your passport costs lots of money. Pay it for everyone and rack up even more national debt your failed generation already did. I'll be in China when they demand the $1.7 trillion back we'll get your house. http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/10/pf/taxes/expat-passport-citizenship-renounce/
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It's funny because CautionaryTales already plans to run away from paying the national debt... run away to the grave long before it's paid off so he'll never see the struggle to pay back what he owed.

Should be law that each time someone of his generation dies, $60,000 is taken from his will to pay for his share of the national debt. That is unless he doesn't blow it all away like the rest of his generation has a habit of doing.
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It's funny because CautionaryTales already plans to run away from paying the national debt... run away to the grave long before it's paid off so he'll never see the struggle to pay back what he owed.

Should be law that each time someone of his generation dies, $60,000 is taken from his will to pay for his share of the national debt. That is unless he doesn't blow it all away like the rest of his generation has a habit of doing.
Dude - you were doing so well, then the last part.

My sides.

Let the federal government default - its not our problem.
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Yeah - and they get put in cages by government and deported. Basically what you are saying is accept government or submit yourself to coyotajes.

Better luck in our next conversation.
I'm saying that illegal immigrants have more balls than you have. They actually do something about the life they don't like.
You just whine about it on anonymous Internet forums.
By your definition Nazis had more backbone since they invaded countries more to their liking. There really isn't a lick of difference between illegal immigrants and Nazis. Both invaded nations in which they didn't belong.
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Does this strike you as odd? I mean, the changes Obama promised them were not good enough?

Why are these leftists flocking to the Sanders camp asking for change they can truly believe in?
DrudgeX asks why leftists are crying? Rhetorical question?

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It's funny because CautionaryTales already plans to run away from paying the national debt... run away to the grave long before it's paid off so he'll never see the struggle to pay back what he owed.

Should be law that each time someone of his generation dies, $60,000 is taken from his will to pay for his share of the national debt. That is unless he doesn't blow it all away like the rest of his generation has a habit of doing.
Dude - you were doing so well, then the last part.

My sides.

Let the federal government default - its not our problem.
We can't all agree to everything. Just show anyone that link whenever they say move.
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There was a lot of change under Obama in the areas of foreign affairs, civil rights, financial oversight and healthcare.

The problem with the young is they are always more radical and rebellious than the society as a whole. I was that way when I was young and the generation before me was the same. We tend to grow and mature are realize the realities of the world, a view that is more realistic than idealistic.

We then turn to actually accomplishing things rather than just make speeches and march.
Yup. At some point it gets clear that getting things done is far more productive than waving your arms around and stomping your feet.
What a shame it was that Obama was undercut by the people that gave up when they weren't instantly gratified.
You librawls sure have poor memories!!! 5 minutes after the usurpin moozlum took office he started raisin taxes, after campaigning against the very idea!!!



Comprehensive List of Obama Tax Increases
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Since taking office three years ago, President Barack Obama has signed into law twenty-one new or higher taxes on the American people:

1. A 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco: On February 4, 2009, just sixteen days into his Administration, Obama signed into law a 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco, a hike of 61 cents per pack. The median income of smokers is just over $36,000 per year.


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It's funny because CautionaryTales already plans to run away from paying the national debt... run away to the grave long before it's paid off so he'll never see the struggle to pay back what he owed.

Should be law that each time someone of his generation dies, $60,000 is taken from his will to pay for his share of the national debt. That is unless he doesn't blow it all away like the rest of his generation has a habit of doing.
This country has run on debt since it was formed. Most of the debt, we owe in promissories to
ourselves. Everyone dies before the debt is "paid off". You will be one of those too. No one will ever come knocking on your door to force you to "pay in full". Your melodrama is noted however.
Countries dont work like households.
The investment in all of the infrastructure that make the society work is what our years of spending has given us. That we have not been conquered in any war is testimony that we have invested enough to stave that off. We haven't been conquered in spite of a huge cornucopia of natural resources as a grand prize...that should tell you something.

Don't invest? It doesn't work. Look around the Internet and see if we are one of the top tier can untried, or if we are a third world cesspool. That will tell you whether we have invested wisely.

Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 24 2016, 06:22 PM.


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It's funny because CautionaryTales already plans to run away from paying the national debt... run away to the grave long before it's paid off so he'll never see the struggle to pay back what he owed.

Should be law that each time someone of his generation dies, $60,000 is taken from his will to pay for his share of the national debt. That is unless he doesn't blow it all away like the rest of his generation has a habit of doing.
This country has run on debt since it was formed. Most of the debt, we owe in promissories to
ourselves. Everyone dies before the debt is "paid off". You will be one of those too. No one will ever come knocking on your door to force you to "pay in full". Your melodrama is noted however.
Countries dont work like households.
The investment in all of the infrastructure that make the society work is what our years of spending has given us. That we have not been conquered in any war is testimony that we have invested enough to stave that off. We haven't been conquered in spite of a huge cornucopia of natural resources as a grand prize...that should tell you something.

Don't invest? It doesn't work. Look around the Internet and see if we are one of the top tier can untried, or if we are a third world cesspool. That will tell you whether we have invested wisely.

I was waiting for this "we owe it ourselves" bulls**t. The american government owes it to T-Bill holders, individuals and organizations all over the world.



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