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Without government, how will 90% of the populace smoke weed all night and sleep all day?
Topic Started: Apr 21 2016, 09:41 PM (3,578 Views)
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estonianman
Apr 22 2016, 01:43 AM
When the incentive to innovate vanishes - then we all become knowledge seekers, or more likely permanent fat xxxxs.



Who said that incentive would vanish if we weren't chasing money all of our lives. If I was truly independent ( financially to give your perception some reference)..I would be making even more music than I do while working a full time job.
I would be volunteering at no kill shelters for animals and such. I would be collaborating with other like minded souls. most of all, I would be enjoying my time instead of spending eight hours a day doing something that was not pleasant.

You mentioned 'quantum" replicators"...what if we were able to create all that we need ourselves and the structure of "central gubmint and capitalsm was no longer needed.

What would you do with your time of you didn't have to chase money?
Edited by Mr. Tik, Apr 22 2016, 02:14 AM.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Apr 22 2016, 02:11 AM
estonianman
Apr 22 2016, 01:43 AM
When the incentive to innovate vanishes - then we all become knowledge seekers, or more likely permanent fat xxxxs.



Who said that incentive would vanish if we weren't chasing money all of our lives. If I was truly independent ( financially to give your perception some reference)..I would be making even more music than I do while working a full time job.
I would be volunteering at no kill shelters for animals and such. I would be collaborating with other like minded souls. most of all, I would be enjoying my time instead of spending eight hours a day doing something that was not pleasant.

You mentioned 'quantum" replicators"...what if we were able to create all that we need ourselves and the structure of "central gubmint and capitalsm was no longer needed.

What would you do with your time of you didn't have to chase money?
Without some kind of competitive environment, inequality - you will lose all ambition to innovate. Quantum replicators might be the end game - but you cannot endlessly create something from nothing. Resources and energy are finite, entropy and the law of thermodynamics is real.
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If there were a basic income, 90% of the population wouldn't smoke weed all night and sleep all day. Instead, most people would work doing things that they enjoy, rather than doing work they hate doing but which pays the bills. Speaking for myself, I'd probably do something involving community theater or non-profit work.

The world might be better off if people could spend their time doing things they felt to be enjoyable and fulfilling, rather than just punching a clock.
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Apr 22 2016, 10:50 AM
If there were a basic income, 90% of the population wouldn't smoke weed all night and sleep all day. Instead, most people would work doing things that they enjoy, rather than doing work they hate doing but which pays the bills. Speaking for myself, I'd probably do something involving community theater or non-profit work.

The world might be better off if people could spend their time doing things they felt to be enjoyable and fulfilling, rather than just punching a clock.
Uh-huh. You will become incentivized to produce stuff that nobody wants. and that's if you actually are motivated to leave the house, most likely you will sit around and play video games while getting paid by the government.

Where the feck is the productivity going to come from genius?
Edited by estonianman, Apr 22 2016, 11:03 AM.
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Esto's imaginary world must be a magical place.


Have you paid your internet taxes?
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Without government, who will provide a trailer park for estonianman to live in...
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Apr 22 2016, 10:59 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 10:50 AM
If there were a basic income, 90% of the population wouldn't smoke weed all night and sleep all day. Instead, most people would work doing things that they enjoy, rather than doing work they hate doing but which pays the bills. Speaking for myself, I'd probably do something involving community theater or non-profit work.

The world might be better off if people could spend their time doing things they felt to be enjoyable and fulfilling, rather than just punching a clock.
Uh-huh. You will become incentivized to produce stuff that nobody wants. and that's if you actually are motivated to leave the house, most likely you will sit around and play video games while getting paid by the government.

Where the feck is the productivity going to come from genius?
So in your mind the only activities that should be happening in this world are those that produce something someone else wants?

No wonder you're so screwed up.
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Apr 22 2016, 11:09 AM
Esto's imaginary world must be a magical place.
Capitalism is an imaginary place?
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estonianman
Apr 22 2016, 10:23 AM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 22 2016, 02:11 AM
estonianman
Apr 22 2016, 01:43 AM
When the incentive to innovate vanishes - then we all become knowledge seekers, or more likely permanent fat xxxxs.



Who said that incentive would vanish if we weren't chasing money all of our lives. If I was truly independent ( financially to give your perception some reference)..I would be making even more music than I do while working a full time job.
I would be volunteering at no kill shelters for animals and such. I would be collaborating with other like minded souls. most of all, I would be enjoying my time instead of spending eight hours a day doing something that was not pleasant.

You mentioned 'quantum" replicators"...what if we were able to create all that we need ourselves and the structure of "central gubmint and capitalsm was no longer needed.

What would you do with your time of you didn't have to chase money?
Without some kind of competitive environment, inequality - you will lose all ambition to innovate. Quantum replicators might be the end game - but you cannot endlessly create something from nothing. Resources and energy are finite, entropy and the law of thermodynamics is real.
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Apr 22 2016, 11:14 AM
Without government, who will provide a trailer park for estonianman to live in...
I live in a 3000 sq/ft house with a pool, thanks.

Funny how someone that claims to stand up for the poor and weak - at the same time mocks and ridicules them.
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Apr 22 2016, 11:17 AM
estonianman
Apr 22 2016, 10:59 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 10:50 AM
If there were a basic income, 90% of the population wouldn't smoke weed all night and sleep all day. Instead, most people would work doing things that they enjoy, rather than doing work they hate doing but which pays the bills. Speaking for myself, I'd probably do something involving community theater or non-profit work.

The world might be better off if people could spend their time doing things they felt to be enjoyable and fulfilling, rather than just punching a clock.
Uh-huh. You will become incentivized to produce stuff that nobody wants. and that's if you actually are motivated to leave the house, most likely you will sit around and play video games while getting paid by the government.

Where the feck is the productivity going to come from genius?
So in your mind the only activities that should be happening in this world are those that produce something someone else wants?

No wonder you're so screwed up.
That's how a natural ecosystem works - and it has been thriving and surviving for 4 billion years.

Thanks for playing.
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estonianman
Apr 22 2016, 11:19 AM
Dem4life
Apr 22 2016, 11:14 AM
Without government, who will provide a trailer park for estonianman to live in...
I live in a 3000 sq/ft house with a pool, thanks.

Funny how someone that claims to stand up for the poor and weak - at the same time mocks and ridicules them.
No you don't...
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Apr 22 2016, 11:18 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 10:23 AM
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Without some kind of competitive environment, inequality - you will lose all ambition to innovate. Quantum replicators might be the end game - but you cannot endlessly create something from nothing. Resources and energy are finite, entropy and the law of thermodynamics is real.
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i doubt you are going to encourage people to harvest the sun without some kind of tangible reward.
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Apr 22 2016, 11:17 AM
CautionaryTales
Apr 22 2016, 11:09 AM
Esto's imaginary world must be a magical place.
Capitalism is an imaginary place?
Your world must be a magical place, full of fun adventures and milk and honey.
How lucky you are to have found this wonderful place....
Where no gummints exist to stunt your soaring aspirations!
No laws, no regulations, nothing that can stop you from achieving your wildest imaginings!

The rest of us will have to toil away our lives workin for the man... But you...you my man have obviously from found that special place where your have mastered your domain!

I'm happy to think you have finally gathered up your courage and turned your back on this very boring social contract (yes, that one)

You are an inspiration!


Have you paid your internet taxes?
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Apr 22 2016, 11:20 AM
estonianman
Apr 22 2016, 11:19 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 11:14 AM
Without government, who will provide a trailer park for estonianman to live in...
I live in a 3000 sq/ft house with a pool, thanks.

Funny how someone that claims to stand up for the poor and weak - at the same time mocks and ridicules them.
No you don't...
checkmate statist.

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Apr 22 2016, 11:26 AM
estonianman
Apr 22 2016, 11:17 AM
CautionaryTales
Apr 22 2016, 11:09 AM
Esto's imaginary world must be a magical place.
Capitalism is an imaginary place?
Your world must be a magical place, full of fun adventures and milk and honey.
How lucky you are to have found this wonderful place....
Where no gummints exist to stunt your soaring aspirations!
No laws, no regulations, nothing that can stop you from achieving your wildest imaginings!

The rest of us will have to toil away our lives workin for the man... But you...you my man have obviously from found that special place where your have mastered your domain!

I'm happy to think you have finally gathered up your courage and turned your back on this very boring social contract (yes, that one)

You are an inspiration!
No I live in a world where capitalism has created the greatest bounty ever in human history.

Thanks for playing statist.
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Apr 22 2016, 11:21 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 11:18 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 10:23 AM

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i doubt you are going to encourage people to harvest the sun without some kind of tangible reward.
The sun has been powering the planet we live on for billions of years before we came along..billions before oil and coal was created.
But do you really think accumulating green pieces of paper and shiny metals are the only incentive for humanity?..and you call progressives regressive.


From what I know about creative folks..money is more of a side benefit. The inventing itself..the process of getting there is the motivation.

Chasing wealth for its own sake has many moral hazards. Look at the black market for example, organized crime or shifty corporations who exploit people and resources.



You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Apr 22 2016, 11:29 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 11:26 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 11:17 AM

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Your world must be a magical place, full of fun adventures and milk and honey.
How lucky you are to have found this wonderful place....
Where no gummints exist to stunt your soaring aspirations!
No laws, no regulations, nothing that can stop you from achieving your wildest imaginings!

The rest of us will have to toil away our lives workin for the man... But you...you my man have obviously from found that special place where your have mastered your domain!

I'm happy to think you have finally gathered up your courage and turned your back on this very boring social contract (yes, that one)

You are an inspiration!
No I live in a world where capitalism has created the greatest bounty ever in human history.

Thanks for playing statist.
All successful capitalism is is a working knowledge of how to use the social constraints we have all chosen to agree to live within. Also known as government.
Same for all of the other isms as well.
Anyone that is successful in any organized government is one that has a grasp of how it works and how to use it...the government.

Your are no different than any other government functionary that has learned how to use the government to their advantage.

Comrade.


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Apr 22 2016, 11:33 AM
estonianman
Apr 22 2016, 11:21 AM
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i doubt you are going to encourage people to harvest the sun without some kind of tangible reward.
The sun has been powering the planet we live on for billions of years before we came along..billions before oil and coal was created.
But do you really think accumulating green pieces of paper and shiny metals are the only incentive for humanity?..and you call progressives regressive.


From what I know about creative folks..money is more of a side benefit. The inventing itself..the process of getting there is the motivation.

Chasing wealth for its own sake has many moral hazards. Look at the black market for example, organized crime or shifty corporations who exploit people and resources.



The pieces of paper and shiny metals represent excess wealth, which in turn represents excess productivity.

That is how the natural ecosystem works - and what turned this barren rock into a world full of life. A tree turns minerals into fruit, in the same way sand will produce a tablet computer. The incentive is the same - existence, survival.

Now I do not think for a minute that a UBI would be sustainable, simply because there isn't enough excess wealth in the world and you have to calculate for the loss in productivity once UBI is implemented.

But lets say it is sustainable - that magical world of unicorns and money dropped from helicopters our friend cautionary tales lives in. What in this world - would incentivize an individual to produce?
Edited by estonianman, Apr 22 2016, 11:49 AM.
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