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Without government, how will 90% of the populace smoke weed all night and sleep all day?
Topic Started: Apr 21 2016, 09:41 PM (3,577 Views)
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Apr 22 2016, 11:34 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 11:29 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 11:26 AM

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No I live in a world where capitalism has created the greatest bounty ever in human history.

Thanks for playing statist.
All successful capitalism is is a working knowledge of how to use the social constraints we have all chosen to agree to live within. Also known as government.
Same for all of the other isms as well.
Anyone that is successful in any organized government is one that has a grasp of how it works and how to use it...the government.

Your are no different than any other government functionary that has learned how to use the government to their advantage.

Comrade.
That's cool - there have been plenty of other threads where you can defend government - why you haven't succeeded on any of them is your own problem.

That said - this thread is about universal basic income and the miscalculation of socialism, not a desperate measure to justify your ideology.
Edited by estonianman, Apr 22 2016, 11:49 AM.
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Apr 22 2016, 11:20 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 10:59 AM

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So in your mind the only activities that should be happening in this world are those that produce something someone else wants?

No wonder you're so screwed up.
That's how a natural ecosystem works - and it has been thriving and surviving for 4 billion years.

Thanks for playing.
Yours is a dismal world, where people have to be chained to being "productive" because doing things that are "fulfilling", just doesn't pay.
Edited by Opinionated, Apr 22 2016, 11:51 AM.
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Apr 22 2016, 11:48 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 11:34 AM
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All successful capitalism is is a working knowledge of how to use the social constraints we have all chosen to agree to live within. Also known as government.
Same for all of the other isms as well.
Anyone that is successful in any organized government is one that has a grasp of how it works and how to use it...the government.

Your are no different than any other government functionary that has learned how to use the government to their advantage.

Comrade.
That's cool - there have been plenty of other threads where you can defend government - why you haven't succeeded on any of them is your own problem.

That said - this thread is about universal basic income and the miscalculation of socialism, not a desperate measure to justify your ideology.
I don't have to defend its existence, it's inevitable and undeniable existence. It is.
You on the other have have totally failed to even one time give an example of the existence of anything that could be considered Esto's fairyland.

Check mate
You lose, again.


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That's how a natural ecosystem works - and it has been thriving and surviving for 4 billion years.

Thanks for playing.
Yours is a dismal world, where people have to be chained to being "productive" because doing things that are "fulfilling", just doesn't pay.
So I advocate slavery now? Strawman.

My world has 37 different types of deodorant my friend.
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Apr 22 2016, 11:53 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 11:48 AM
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That's cool - there have been plenty of other threads where you can defend government - why you haven't succeeded on any of them is your own problem.

That said - this thread is about universal basic income and the miscalculation of socialism, not a desperate measure to justify your ideology.
I don't have to defend its existence, it's inevitable and undeniable existence. It is.
You on the other have have totally failed to even one time give an example of the existence of anything that could be considered Esto's fairyland.

Check mate
You lose, again.
Mere existence does not justify existence. Had you lived in the 1700's, you would have justified slavery with a social contract.



Checkmate statist.
Edited by estonianman, Apr 22 2016, 11:56 AM.
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OP, Tik - please do not leave the thread because CT is spamming his typical off topic bulls**t.
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Yours is a dismal world, where people have to be chained to being "productive" because doing things that are "fulfilling", just doesn't pay.
So I advocate slavery now? Strawman.

My world has 37 different types of deodorant my friend.
Slavery to "productivity", because that's all you consider to be of value in this world, when there is so much more.
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Apr 22 2016, 11:58 AM
OP, Tik - please do not leave the thread because CT is spamming his typical off topic bulls**t.
All of your philosophy hinges on your total ignorance of the place of government in your imaginary world.
Once that is exposed, in any thread, your cause du jour falls flat.
Exposing your critical logic flaw isn't spam.


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Apr 22 2016, 11:54 AM
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So I advocate slavery now? Strawman.

My world has 37 different types of deodorant my friend.
Slavery to "productivity", because that's all you consider to be of value in this world, when there is so much more.
So that whole "People want to work" argument is bogus then?
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Apr 22 2016, 11:58 AM
OP, Tik - please do not leave the thread because CT is spamming his typical off topic bulls**t.
All of your philosophy hinges on your total ignorance of the place of government in your imaginary world.
Once that is exposed, in any thread, your cause du jour falls flat.
Exposing your critical logic flaw isn't spam.
Then when will you start exposing it?

In my honest opinion - and as several others have pointed out - you feel emotionally attached to my threads just based on all the ass beating you have received over the years. Your failure to remain coherent and on-topic is your biggest flaw. Your second - is that you are trying to defend and ideology that depends on a fluid moral code. Moral relativists are easily outed using simple Socratic debate.

Buckfan, even Whig and Schmitties are good debaters for statism - you are a train wreck of obsolete memes.
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Apr 22 2016, 11:58 AM
OP, Tik - please do not leave the thread because CT is spamming his typical off topic bulls**t.
All of your philosophy hinges on your total ignorance of the place of government in your imaginary world.
Once that is exposed, in any thread, your cause du jour falls flat.
Exposing your critical logic flaw isn't spam.
Then when will you start exposing it?

In my honest opinion - and as several others have pointed out - you feel emotionally attached to my threads just based on all the ass beating you have received over the years. Your failure to remain coherent and on-topic is your biggest flaw. Your second - is that you are trying to defend and ideology that depends on a fluid moral code. Moral relativists are easily outed using simple Socratic debate.

Buckfan, even Whig and Schmitties are good debaters for statism - you are a train wreck of obsolete memes.
My comment is on the title of this thread.. The first two words that have again dragged you down another silly imaginary scenario that does not and never will exist.
That's pretty much right on topic.
Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 22 2016, 12:23 PM.


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Apr 22 2016, 12:21 PM
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Then when will you start exposing it?

In my honest opinion - and as several others have pointed out - you feel emotionally attached to my threads just based on all the ass beating you have received over the years. Your failure to remain coherent and on-topic is your biggest flaw. Your second - is that you are trying to defend and ideology that depends on a fluid moral code. Moral relativists are easily outed using simple Socratic debate.

Buckfan, even Whig and Schmitties are good debaters for statism - you are a train wreck of obsolete memes.
My comment is on the title of this thread.. The first two words that have again dragged you down another silly imaginary scenario that does no and never will exist.
That's pretty much right on topic.
And absolutist as well.

That's your third mistake.

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Apr 22 2016, 12:24 PM
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My comment is on the title of this thread.. The first two words that have again dragged you down another silly imaginary scenario that does no and never will exist.
That's pretty much right on topic.
And absolutist as well.

That's your third mistake.

Lol... Continue on buddy.
I'll correct you as you go along in this latest attempt to deny that you are as much a statist as anyone one else.
My unwitting statist friend.


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Apr 22 2016, 12:26 PM
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And absolutist as well.

That's your third mistake.

Lol... Continue on buddy.
I'll correct you as you go along in this latest attempt to deny that you are as much a statist as anyone one else.
My unwitting statist friend.
Projection to.
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Apr 22 2016, 11:19 AM
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Apr 22 2016, 11:14 AM
Without government, who will provide a trailer park for estonianman to live in...
I live in a 3000 sq/ft house with a pool, thanks.

Funny how someone that claims to stand up for the poor and weak - at the same time mocks and ridicules them.
Posting on online forums the whole day can pay for that?
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Apr 22 2016, 12:48 PM
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Apr 22 2016, 11:14 AM
Without government, who will provide a trailer park for estonianman to live in...
I live in a 3000 sq/ft house with a pool, thanks.

Funny how someone that claims to stand up for the poor and weak - at the same time mocks and ridicules them.
Posting on online forums the whole day can pay for that?
Stop being greedy kid.
Edited by estonianman, Apr 22 2016, 01:02 PM.
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Without government, who will provide a trailer park for estonianman to live in...


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Without government, who will provide a trailer park for estonianman to live in...


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I agree.

Government causes poverty. UBI will cause even more of that.
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The only way to reduce the human population on Earth is to make it that having children is an expensive hobby, like it is in most modern first world countries. That is objective #1.

Whereas in the 3rd world, having children gives a family an economic advantage

The answer: pay people not to have children
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